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The goal, before he even took office, was to impeach him by any means necessary.
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Can you provide a link/report for your comment that liberals only get info from liberal sources? Thx.
I cannot. I can't find it easily, but there is a combination of confirming Gallup, Pew Research and LexisNexis research that shows unambiguously from where people get their news. Independent journalist Tim Pool talks about it every now and then on his YouTube channel (Timcast, I think it is), and shows the relevant data from the websites that show where people are getting their news.

I hadn't really thought that much in depth about it before, but when you think about it, the liberal biased MSM is so pervasive, to ubiquitous, that conservatives would be hard pressed to avoid it, whereas liberals can easily avoid Fox News and the smattering of right-biased online news outlets. Conservatives and Independents generally want to hear both sides, want to know what everything is thinking, whereas liberals will go so far as to try and literally shut down speech they don't agree with (conservatives speakers on campus, for example, or a heckler's veto at events and rallies), and will not tune in to Fox News on a regular basis.
 
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Dear EO constitutional scholars,
If the House of Representatives votes to impeach the President (which seems inevitable), what would happen if Mr McConnell simply refused to hold hearings in the Senate like he did with Supreme Court nominee Merick Garland?
The Democrats would be spittin' bubbles, just like the did (still are) with Garland.

If the House impeaches the president, the Senate doesn't have to hold a trial. In most circumstances, it would be most inappropriate (I would think) for the Senate to refuse to hold an impeachment trial. But it could certainly happen. The Constitution says that the Senate "shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments," but all that means is that the Senate is empowered to have a trial, not mandated to have a trial.

Both the House and Senate must work together to remove the president from office. If the Senate wants the president removed, they can't do it on their own, they must first get the House to impeach the president. The House doesn't have to do that, they can just sit there and do nothing about it, simply not impeach him, and the Senate can't do anything about it. The same is also true for the House, where they need the Senate to hold a trial and then vote to remove the president. The Senate could likewise just sit there and do nothing about it.

Now, having said that, as a practical matter with the current situation, the Republican controlled Senate is not going to sit idly by and do nothing after the Democrat controlled House impeaches the president, when they can instead swiftly and decisively hand the Democrats a devastating defeat.
 
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Most of the news media has a liberal slant to their news. The major news conglomerates are located in the NY or Washinton DC area, which is an intense liberal bubble. So most news coming out of those outlets will project a leftist prospective with very little diversity of conservative views. Any deviation from their leftist views are met with harsh condemnation from their liberal audiences. Like when the NYTimes had to change a Headline that may have showed Trump in a favorable light. The Liberal twitter mob caught wind of that and demanded a change in headlines or they would cancel their subscriptions in mass. I really have a hard time determining which paper is worse. The NY Times or the Washington Post. Like two peas in a pod pretty much. The Post has "conservative" Jennifer Rubin on their staff. So that may put them over the edge and make them worse.
I do think most people who are just carrying on with their lives and may watch or listen to the news are generally going to hear or read a liberal slant to the news. And the more news they watch, ironically the more they get bombarded by fake news. Me personally, I'll listen to talk radio that is conservative, but the news breaks from WJR here in Michigan get their news feeds from CNN. I'm constantly getting slanted news that has to be decifered for accuracy because they aren't doing it themselves normally. There have been a couple occasions when CNN would give their a report and then the WJR news anchor will tell the audience that " the reporter is giving his opinion in the story". When I hear that from the anchor, it is music to my ears to at least inform the audience of that.
 
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Most of the news media has a liberal slant to their news. The major news conglomerates are located in the NY or Washinton DC area, which is an intense liberal bubble. So most news coming out of those outlets will project a leftist prospective with very little diversity of conservative views.
Not just that, but journalism in general, by its very nature, is a liberal endeavor. Young people get into journalism because they're idealistic and want to change the world. Or at least that's how it used to be, before social media. There is the thing about all (political) journalists want to be the next Woodward or Bernstein, so that's a factor. But these days even in journalism school, the Ethics of Journalism is no longer taught as a priority. They're mostly optional. Journalism students are longer longer taught how to check their own bias in their reporting. So they don't even recognise it when they see it. Editors want clicks and views, so they not only don't police it, they often encourage it.

There are still a few good journalists out there, but there's not many of them.
 
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In all government agencies and departments, you must have first hand knowledge of something in order to be a whistleblower. It even says so right there on the whistleblower complaint form. The only exception to that? The Intelligence Community recently removed that requirement, and removed it from the form. And isn't that interesting.
 
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But again, I ask, if Biden has possible unsavory or blackmail-able ties to Ukraine, do you not want that investigated before the election? Or would you rather have something like that come out after he got elected? Is it really a case of, since Biden is a political rival of Trump, that therefore Biden should be totally hands off?

If so, that's gonna get real tricky when you apply it in the other direction. Oh, wait, that already happened, didn't it?

I think the word investigated is used rather loosely.
Trump as the POTUS, has the entire US intelligence community at his disposal. If Biden is to be "investigated", I would rather it be done by US intelligence rather than anyone in Ukraine, Russia or whatever other foreign government comes into Trump's head.

Oh! ... but we can't do that ... you see, because, the US intelligence community has a bias towards Trump. They wouldn't do a good job. They're buddy-buddy with Biden .... it'll get leaked ... blah, blah, blah ....

How can anyone defend Trump repeatedly asking foreign leaders for help against his political rivals? Is that how US Presidents should be "investigating" matters?
 

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I think the word investigated is used rather loosely.
Trump as the POTUS, has the entire US intelligence community at his disposal. If Biden is to be "investigated", I would rather it be done by US intelligence rather than anyone in Ukraine, Russia or whatever other foreign government comes into Trump's head.

Oh! ... but we can't do that ... you see, because, the US intelligence community has a bias towards Trump. They wouldn't do a good job. They're buddy-buddy with Biden .... it'll get leaked ... blah, blah, blah ....
Didn't really answer the question, tho. In any case, the US and Ukraine have a treaty that explicitly deals with such investigations. It's called the Treaty Between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters with Annex. But the Intelligence Community isn't an investigative body, they are an intelligence gathering body. Investigating is the FBI's job.
How can anyone defend Trump repeatedly asking foreign leaders for help against his political rivals? Is that how US Presidents should be "investigating" matters?
Obama did it blatantly. So did Hillary. But there's no real evidence that Trump even did it. Accusations borne from interpretations, and lots of mind reading, about it, tho. Just because Biden is a political rival doesn't mean Biden cannot be investigated. That's just silly. If Biden potentially has blackmail-able ties to Ukraine, and he's a potential candidate for the presidency, that shouldn't be ignored by Trump just because Biden is a political rival.
 
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To me, the significance of the piece is not Napolitano's opinion. It's that Fox News chose to publish it.
Again, this is not at all unusual. Not even a little bit. Fox News routinely publishes, and allows on their broadcasts, comments and stories unfavorable to Trump. The fact that Judge Nap said it, and Fox published it, is hardly even worth noting.
Watch for more of this. Watch for signs that Fox News support for Trump is weakening. Watch for Fox to turn on Trump as Trump himself grows weaker, polls prompt Republicans to speak against Trump more and the Trump base fades.That's sound more like fervent hope than anything. But other than some of the opinion hosts, some of whom have their noses so far up Trump's butt they can't breathe, Fox News itself doesn't "support" Trump even now. Trump has even called Fox News out, multiple times, for not supporting him. Nobody at Fox News got their panties in a wad. They just shrugged and went back to reporting the facts.
I've been watching for this for a long time and have been surprised by the resiliency of the base. This time is different.
There's no evidence of that. At least not without drawing conclusions beyond the evidence available. The polling, including the ones from yesterday, show remarkable consistency with his base. Since Nancy's big non-announcement announcement, Trump has raised a ridiculous amount of money in donations to his campaign. If his base were waning, we'd likely see the opposite of that. The only Republicans on the Hill who have come out against Trump are the ones who have previously come out against Trump.

You should probably watch Fox News a little bit more. But start slowly. Start with Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. He's most definitely not a Trumper.

On a side note, the whistleblower, for lack of a better term, has a team of 3 lawyers, one of which is Andrew Bakaj, who is a democratic operative who has worked in the Pentagon, the CIA, and the State Department. He was a whistleblower himself, and he pretty much write the CIA's procedures on whistleblowers. He has also worked for senators Daniel Moynihan, Charles Schumer, and Hillary Clinton. He and the other lawyers on the team all work for the firm that Bakaj founded, the Compass Rose Legal Group. They bill themselves as the premier Security Clearance, Federal Employment, and National Security Law Firm, specializing in whistleblower defense. They also actively seek out, assist, and pay bounties for whistleblowers.

Just putting that out there.

And as long as I'm putting stuff out there, in my own personal opinion, the text of the whistleblower complaint read like it was written by a small team of lawyers, rather than a CIA analyst. I'm just sayin'.
 
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Incidentally, when reporter Sean Davis called the CIA and asked them when they made the revisions and why, the response from the CIA spokesperson was, "I cannot comment on the anti-Trump whistleblower." OK, that's odd. But what's most odd is the fact that Davis never mentioned Trump or the whistleblower, he simply asked when they made the change and why they made it.
 

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I think the word investigated is used rather loosely.
Trump as the POTUS, has the entire US intelligence community at his disposal. If Biden is to be "investigated", I would rather it be done by US intelligence rather than anyone in Ukraine, Russia or whatever other foreign government comes into Trump's head.

Oh! ... but we can't do that ... you see, because, the US intelligence community has a bias towards Trump. They wouldn't do a good job. They're buddy-buddy with Biden .... it'll get leaked ... blah, blah, blah ....

How can anyone defend Trump repeatedly asking foreign leaders for help against his political rivals? Is that how US Presidents should be "investigating" matters?
It's not important to know if Biden may have been compromised with a foreign country? I'm old enough to remember when that use to be a thing with the Dems, spying on Trump and invesigating him to determine if he is in cahoots with Russia.
 
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Is Hunter Biden in the witness protection program? Making four million dollars for doing nothing must be good work if you can get it.
 

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Dear EO constitutional scholars,
If the House of Representatives votes to impeach the President (which seems inevitable), what would happen if Mr McConnell simply refused to hold hearings in the Senate like he did with Supreme Court nominee Merick Garland?

That's a good question.

Starting with Mcconnell himself, we know from news reports like this one what he said in March, 2019, months before House action to impeach became likely: Excerpt:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said months ago that if the House goes ahead and impeaches President Donald Trump, the Senate “has no choice” but to conduct a trial to determine whether the president is removed from office.

In recent days, he has not ruled out a trial. Nor has he risen to defend Trump in a definitive way. One can speculate that McConnell is privately savoring this moment in which Trump's political, legal and even jail future rests McConnell's hands and Trump knows it. If Trump loses the presidency, he loses the legal protection that currently keeps various prosecutors from indicting him on various charges. He also loses the ability to delay investigations by asserting executive privilige. It is absolutely essential to Trump that he keep the presidency. A choice word or two by McConnell can open the gates for a trial and conviction. That puts McConnell in charge and Trump at his mercy.

Legally, I'm no constitutional scholar but I will speculate that if the House voted to impeach and McConnell refused to conduct a trial or tried to influence a trial in unfair ways, the House would immediately ask the courts to do whatever it takes to force the Senate to conduct a fair trial. How that turns out would remain to be seen.

Politically, if the House votes to impeach and McConnell refuses to conduct a trial, the political pressure would be intense. Some Republicans say that impeachment would motivate the base to turn out in 2020 to keep Trump in office. Present data does not support that. Current polls are showing a shift in favor of the impeachment inquiry, and (I presume) an underlying shift in favor of impeachment. The Trump base has not increased in size since Trump took office. If anything, it has declined (shown by polling data in rust-belt states). Trump supporters are already energized but they are a minority in the general population and their numbers are not growing. A McConnell refusal to conduct an impeachment trial would energize Democrats and, I believe, the majority of independents like never before.

It's wise to remember that Trump LOST the popular vote in 2016. If not for the Electoral College, Trump would not be president today. The Electoral College has no bearing on the sentiment of the voters who live in red and purple states. Also remember that most Republicans opposed Trump early in the 2016 race. They either left the party, became outspoken "Never Trumpers," (few in number), went silent or came around to later embrace Trump. Those Senate Republicans who easily embraced Trump as he became more popular in their states will just as easily abandon him when his popularity fades. For Senate Republicans, it's not about principle, it's about popularity and power. The instant Trump is no longer seen as a popularity and power resource is the instant they drop him like a hot potato.

Energized Democrats (and weakened Trump-supporting Republicans) produced a decisive victory in 2018 in which Democrats took back the house by a wide margin. That sentiment and those local campaign organizations remain in place, and may be even stronger and better organized than they were in 2018. There may be some exceptions in toss-up House districts but those are few in number. McConnell knows that and will factor it into his decision making. In 2020, the Republicans are defending 23 Senate seats and the Democrats are defending 12.

We would not know for sure until the courts ruled, but even if it was true that McConnell is not required to conduct an impeachment trial, if the House votes to impeach, McConnel would place much at risk if he refused to do so. He would also place much at risk if he chose to conduct that trial. While McConnell himself is up for reelection in 2020, he appears to have an iron grip on the seat. Democrats have yet to produce a credible challenger there.

If McConnell actually believes what he himself said in March, that the Senate has no choice but to conduct a trial if the House votes to impeach, that's the end of the story. If not he will have much to consider. If it comes to that, I believe the totality of the circumstances will move him to conduct a trial.
 
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