The joker in chief

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Nope I didn't say undefeatable I said that he will win the election.

Reality seems to be that either we get someone who is radical in their ideas to change things drastically, like what Obama was running on or we get the same type of politician that we have had in the past 40 years by the republicans.

See Dennis, many of you can't see this but there is a serious distrust of the entire republican party by the independent voter, something that foreign media has been examining with amazement. IT isn't the tea party people who will make the difference but those independent voters who are looking for leadership within the race that may correct things. The best thing that can happen is a defeat of Obama with a change in the senate but many are thinking that defeating Obama may be hard with a party who compromises on everything and congress is the best place to change. Either way, Perry, Romney, Bachmann and others (Cain and Paul excluded) are pretty much Obama in a different suit.
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Bubster - you simply MUST learn to be more specific. After all, there are NORTH Americans, CENTRAL Americans and SOUTH Americans who are not necessarily citizens of the United States of AMERICA.:confused:
PLEASE try to be more specific in future posts so as not to confuse the gentle readers in the forum.;)

Oh - it wasn't confusion, as much as it was finding the humor in the unthinking arrogance ..... that seems to be nearly second nature to a rather significant segment of the citizenry ..... :rolleyes:

So people who are citizens of the United States of America, and refer to themselves as "Americans" are unthinklingly arrogant.:confused: OK.............
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Why do some when it comes to Obama being called out feel the need to bring up the guy who has been gone for 2 1/2 years.Dont answer that I really dont care!I see it as a weak rebuttal due to that being the only one some seem to have.Obama has done more to harm this country in 2 1/1 years as Bush did in 8 years.By the way Obama pushed for the bail outs more then bush did.Im thinking you know this though.
What party was in controll of congress?Democrats but you already knew this also.So really Bush?thats weak:D
The Bush Stimulus Package was for $170 Billion. That equals 17% of $1 Trillion.
Bush signs stimulus package - Feb. 11, 2008
Personally, I had a hard time agreeing with it then and in hindsight it probably didn't accomplish much except bailing out the banks that had been accepting too much risk from Fannie & Freddie, plus helping out GM and Chrysler. This "too big to fail" concept is bad economic policy, and most everyone realizes that now. Obama and the democrats have just carried it to the extreme to the detriment of our national economy for years - if not generations - to come.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
greg wrote:

See Dennis, many of you can't see this but there is a serious distrust of the entire republican party by the independent voter
LOL, your kidding right!?!? Really!?!? Wow, so full of informative information!!!!

And what is the "YOU" about??? You certainly aren't inferring that "I" trust the republican party...:rolleyes:
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
Nope I didn't say undefeatable I said that he will win the election.

Reality seems to be that either we get someone who is radical in their ideas to change things drastically, like what Obama was running on or we get the same type of politician that we have had in the past 40 years by the republicans.

See Dennis, many of you can't see this but there is a serious distrust of the entire republican party by the independent voter, something that foreign media has been examining with amazement. IT isn't the tea party people who will make the difference but those independent voters who are looking for leadership within the race that may correct things. The best thing that can happen is a defeat of Obama with a change in the senate but many are thinking that defeating Obama may be hard with a party who compromises on everything and congress is the best place to change. Either way, Perry, Romney, Bachmann and others (Cain and Paul excluded) are pretty much Obama in a different suit.

You are right you did not call him undefeatable.More then once you called him UNBEATABLE!!:eek:
 

dieseldiva

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NOPE wrong there layout, it is the biggest defeat for states rights in a long time. This one bill changed the relationship of the states and the people, which no one seems to want to give up at this point. The republicans who entered congress and campaigned on getting rid of it failed to even take up one time in congress the question of repeal. They failed the entire country by not fighting for something that was needed the first day they entered congress and since have compromised on the budget, the debt cap, the energy bill, and all the other bills that have been since passed.

You have to ask yourself this question - is this party really have the interest of correcting those mistakes that were made by the previous congress or are the just the same?

I honestly think, like Michigan and our great liberal governor, our country may see a change in the WH but we will end up with the same person in a different suit running it.

Ummmmm.......
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
NOPE wrong there layout, it is the biggest defeat for states rights in a long time. This one bill changed the relationship of the states and the people, which no one seems to want to give up at this point. The republicans who entered congress and campaigned on getting rid of it failed to even take up one time in congress the question of repeal. They failed the entire country by not fighting for something that was needed the first day they entered congress and since have compromised on the budget, the debt cap, the energy bill, and all the other bills that have been since passed.
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NOPE WRONG AGAIN GREG.In fact just days after the republicans took controll of the house they in FACT did take up this issue and VOTED TO REPEAL IT.

GOP-led House votes to repeal health care law - politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com

House Republicans Vote To Overturn ObamaCare In Symbolic Move | Fox News



House votes to repeal health-care law

GOP-led House votes to repeal health care law - USATODAY.com

As you know it was then killed in the senate Where the democrats have controll and Reid would not even allow a vote on it.
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
See Dennis, many of you can't see this but there is a serious distrust of the entire republican party by the independent voter, something that foreign media has been examining with amazement.
Not true.
"The 2010 mid-term election was a stunning rebuke to the Obama Administration and Democrats in Congress. Much of that rebuke was driven by Independents, who comprised 28 percent of the electorate and supported Republican congressional candidates by the overwhelming margin of 56 to 38 percent."
Resurgent Republic

See also: "Independents are dissatisfied with President Obama as reflected on the 2012 generic ballot. Voters give an unnamed generic Republican a slight edge over President Obama on the 2012 generic ballot, 36 to 34 percent. Among Independent voters, the generic Republican candidate holds a 13-point advantage, 33 to 20 percent"
Resurgent Republic | Issues :: Obama Approval Rating :: Polling Analysis :: Independent Voters

Either way, Perry, Romney, Bachmann and others (Cain and Paul excluded) are pretty much Obama in a different suit.
There's a premise that has no basis in fact. During his brief terms in the House and Senate, Barack Hussein Obama's voting record was the most liberal in the place - more so than Kucinich, Kennedy, Hillary, you name it. As POTUS he has continued that trend, especially so in the his first two years in concert with Democrat super majorities in both houses of Congress, giving him carte blanche to do most anything he wanted, and we're lucky we only got stuck with ObamaCare. NONE of these candidates would have attempted anything resembling that. A lot of people get frustrated with politicians in general and claim "they're all just alike - crooks!" which in a lot of cases is true. But none of the GOP candidates has a record or a governing philosophy that resembles Obama. Although it's early, we'll probably see Huntsman, Santorum, Gingrich and Paul be eliminated soon. Cain may also fade (unfortunately) due to his lack of a national political machine. Any of the GOP survivors would defeat Obama in a national election if the economic and political trends continue as they are now.
 
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tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
Not true.
"The 2010 mid-term election was a stunning rebuke to the Obama Administration and Democrats in Congress. Much of that rebuke was driven by Independents, who comprised 28 percent of the electorate and supported Republican congressional candidates by the overwhelming margin of 56 to 38 percent."
Resurgent Republic

See also: "Independents are dissatisfied with President Obama as reflected on the 2012 generic ballot. Voters give an unnamed generic Republican a slight edge over President Obama on the 2012 generic ballot, 36 to 34 percent. Among Independent voters, the generic Republican candidate holds a 13-point advantage, 33 to 20 percent"
Resurgent Republic | Issues :: Obama Approval Rating :: Polling Analysis :: Independent Voters

There's a premise that has no basis in fact. During his brief terms in the House and Senate, Barack Hussein Obama's voting record was the most liberal in the place - more so than Kucinich, Kennedy, Hillary, you name it. As POTUS he has continued that trend, especially so in the his first two years in concert with super majorities in both houses of Congress, giving him carte blanche to do most anything he wanted, and we're lucky we only got stuck with ObamaCare. NONE of these candidates would have attempted anything resembling that. A lot of people get frustrated with politicians in general and claim "they're all just alike - crooks!" which in a lot of cases is true. But none of the GOP candidates has a record or a governing philosophy that resembles Obama. Although it's early, we'll probably see Huntsman, Santorum, Gingrich and Paul be eliminated soon. Cain may also fade (unfortunately) due to his lack of a national political machine. Any of the GOP survivors would defeat Obama in a national election if the economic and political trends continue as they are now.

I think the biggist problem that many on the left refuse to see is that many of them think the TEA PARTY is just made up of ANGRY REPUBLICANS.They fail to see that the TEA PARTY is also made up of ANGRY INDEPENDENTS also.
 

Camper

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I think the biggist problem that many on the left refuse to see is that many of them think the TEA PARTY is just made up of ANGRY REPUBLICANS.They fail to see that the TEA PARTY is also made up of ANGRY INDEPENDENTS also.

Yep...Angry Independents whose Tea Party got high jacked by wannabes from the Retardplican Party.

As I've said before, the Tea Party would be much more formidable if it formed a true independent party, free of any Republican influence.

At the end of the day, the Retardplicans are every bit as bad as the Dumbocrats. By associating with members of either party, the Tea Party movement has compromised its principles.



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tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
Yep...Angry Independents whose Tea Party got high jacked by wannabes from the Retardplican Party.

As I've said before, the Tea Party would be much more formidable if it formed a true independent party, free of any Republican influence.

At the end of the day, the Retardplicans are every bit as bad as the Dumbocrats. By associating with members of either party, the Tea Party movement has compromised its principles.



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I think we should agree to disagree on this one.:)
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
I think the biggist problem that many on the left refuse to see is that many of them think the TEA PARTY is just made up of ANGRY REPUBLICANS.They fail to see that the TEA PARTY is also made up of ANGRY INDEPENDENTS also.

I would add that there are also some former Democrats that belong to the tea party and the biggest thing, IMHO, that most fail to see is that the tea party people wouldn't describe themselves as being anything but conservative.
 

Camper

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I would add that there are also some former Democrats that belong to the tea party and the biggest thing, IMHO, that most fail to see is that the tea party people wouldn't describe themselves as being anything but conservative.

My point, exactly. Fiscally speaking, I'd describe the Republican Party as anything but conservative.



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greg334

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Nope not wrong, you all can put up your polls, the other stuff and so on but you know if they were not distrusting of the republican party, they would have not voted them out of office in 2006, they would have captured the entire congress in 2010 (the senate is as important as the house and they have yet to leverage their gains in the house) and the candidates would not be speaking of what Obama has done, but come up with a concrete plan of action that incorporates their vision but they fail to do anything that addresses the independent at this point. I think they haven't learn the Reagan form of communicating but Obama has.

Regardless how you want to spin it, those candidates for the republican party primary are all the same - politicians - and they have yet to speak of a clear vision or when in congress have acted to bring change. ALL the same as Obama but with a different spin to make them look different.

Any of the GOP survivors would defeat Obama in a national election if the economic and political trends continue as they are now.

See that is what will defeat Obama, if we have a lack of action from him and the economy goes south quick. I am thinking that the average person will again not vote an ideology but their pocket book and this is where the republicans can do something as a party by using the house but they are failing to do so by compromising and being passive.
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Nope not wrong, you all can put up your polls, the other stuff and so on but you know if they were not distrusting of the republican party, they would have not voted them out of office in 2006, they would have captured the entire congress in 2010...
2006 was an entirely different time, with different conditions. It only took four years for the political pendulum to swing the other way, big time. The Senate didn't have as many candidates up for re-election, but they'll be GOP controlled after 2012. The Senate would actually would be even right now if it hadn't been for the Republican weaklings nominated in NV and DE.
See that is what will defeat Obama, if we have a lack of action from him and the economy goes south quick. I am thinking that the average person will again not vote an ideology but their pocket book and this is where the republicans can do something as a party by using the house but they are failing to do so by compromising and being passive.
The economy is already south, and the voters will definitely be governed by their pocketbook. Actually, the GOP controlled House is doing pretty good at not compromising and is getting hammered by Obama and the MSM for it. Maybe the Republican members of the Senate need to follow this same plan of action instead of trying to reach across the isle. The results of this so-called "Super Committee" will be crucial; it will be shocking if they don't get deadlocked and end up accomplishing nothing - which is exactly what Obama is planning on.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
Nope not wrong, you all can put up your polls, the other stuff and so on but you know if they were not distrusting of the republican party, they would have not voted them out of office in 2006, they would have captured the entire congress in 2010 (the senate is as important as the house and they have yet to leverage their gains in the house) and the candidates would not be speaking of what Obama has done, but come up with a concrete plan of action that incorporates their vision but they fail to do anything that addresses the independent at this point. I think they haven't learn the Reagan form of communicating but Obama has.

Regardless how you want to spin it, those candidates for the republican party primary are all the same - politicians - and they have yet to speak of a clear vision or when in congress have acted to bring change. ALL the same as Obama but with a different spin to make them look different.



See that is what will defeat Obama, if we have a lack of action from him and the economy goes south quick. I am thinking that the average person will again not vote an ideology but their pocket book and this is where the republicans can do something as a party by using the house but they are failing to do so by compromising and being passive.

yep you were wrong.You made a claim about what many of the new republicans and the old ran on then never once even brought it to the house floor.Which was shown to be false.Is it getting that tough that you have to go all the way back to the 06 election to make your point?Greg the TEA PARTY has only been around for a very short time.They along with the other republicans in the house have not been called terrorist,Hostage takers,been told they can go straight to hell,lets take those S.O.Bs out because they have not been using their leverage.

With republicans only controlling 1 part of the three parts of the government their has to be compromise.LIKE IT OR NOT.Even if they had total controll of washington there needs to be compromise.If there is no compromise then the gains they made will be short lived.With out compromise then WE wind up with a party that goes to extremes like they did in the first two years that This BEATABLE ONE was president.Yeah we welcome your input,we wont use it though because we have the votes to pass what we want so go away.

It is early in the process.To early for any of the candidates to be putting their cards on the table.This is how the process works.If it were a republican in the white house the democrats would be going through the same process.One of the biggest reasons the republicans have made the gains they have is because THEY HAVE EXPOSED THE THINGS OBAMA HAS DONE.

Talk about SPIN. what the persident promised on the campgain trail does not matter you say.Yet what the republicans promised on the campgian trail does you say.:confused:
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
2006 was an entirely different time, with different conditions. It only took four years for the political pendulum to swing the other way, big time.

Really?

I don't think it was a different time at all, we faced economic issues that were solvable but no one wanted to solve them. The problems we faced are the same when you come down to it and there was and still is a distrust for congress - wasn't congress' approval ratings near the single digit at that time and the repubs who are the same ones today running around preaching cut spending, are the same ones who spent like mad in the years leading up to the 2006 election? Don't matter who is in there, they are the same people.

With the same thing happening in 2006 and today, the people are fed up with things, the parties don't seem to get the message - maybe they need to listen to Ron Paul or Herman Cain a bit?

The Senate didn't have as many candidates up for re-election, but they'll be GOP controlled after 2012.

So let's see...

With 37 seats up for grabs in the senate, the republicans only gained 6 seats. Which I can understand what the reasons were, they didn't impress those voters in those states to make even more of a move to the republican party.

So how do you think the 2012 election will go, what do you base this on? I mean with 33 seats up for grabs and it seems like a large number of them being dems won't be a shoe in that will gain the additional seats for the repubs to gain control and at that, a filibuster proof majority.

The Senate would actually would be even right now if it hadn't been for the Republican weaklings nominated in NV and DE.

Really?

I mean if you want to count them as could of's go for it but Nevada was Reid territory while Delaware is bidens so I would expect a dem to win.

The economy is already south, and the voters will definitely be governed by their pocketbook.

Yes it is but you know look around, we are moving right along with things, just because 15% of the people are unemployed, does not mean that the entire country is impacted by it. What I mean is when everyone takes a big bit of that ******* *** sandwich, it will a impact on the presidential race.

Actually, the GOP controlled House is doing pretty good at not compromising and is getting hammered by Obama and the MSM for it.

What drugs are you taking. They are doing a lousy job with the majority in the house. They allowed the debt ceiling to be raised, they put up a poorly planned budget, they have passed an extension to the transportation bill all without actually putting up a fight.

Maybe the Republican members of the Senate need to follow this same plan of action instead of trying to reach across the isle. The results of this so-called "Super Committee" will be crucial; it will be shocking if they don't get deadlocked and end up accomplishing nothing - which is exactly what Obama is planning on.

Well maybe but again if they continue to act like they do, what good are they?

yep you were wrong.You made a claim about what many of the new republicans and the old ran on then never once even brought it to the house floor.Which was shown to be false.Is it getting that tough that you have to go all the way back to the 06 election to make your point?

The 2006 election is relevant today as it was in 2010.

Greg the TEA PARTY has only been around for a very short time.They along with the other republicans in the house have not been called terrorist,Hostage takers,been told they can go straight to hell,lets take those S.O.Bs out because they have not been using their leverage.

Well I am not talking about the tea party crowd, I am talking about the republicans who have been entrenched in congress at the same time been strictly party line people.

There is a difference, most like Beohner is one such person, he is and has been part of the old guard that stops a lot of things from happening with the new ideas and the tea party people.

With republicans only controlling 1 part of the three parts of the government their has to be compromise.LIKE IT OR NOT.Even if they had total controll of washington there needs to be compromise.If there is no compromise then the gains they made will be short lived.With out compromise then WE wind up with a party that goes to extremes like they did in the first two years that This BEATABLE ONE was president.Yeah we welcome your input,we wont use it though because we have the votes to pass what we want so go away.

Well examine what I mean by compromise. Take the debt ceiling, where a lot of people were telling the republicans not to compromise and agree with some idea of cuts later on, that is the compromise I and others are tired of. The same goes for the supreme court conformations under Bush, the dems in the senate threaten to filibuster any and all nominees until their demands were met, some of them was to pass legislation that spent more money while many in the republican party went along with it, they expected the dems to allow other things to be passed later on but when the time came, the dems refused.

Politics is a game of compromise but see it is a game the dems are good at and the republican can't get it together enough to impact anything.

When the budget, last years budget was on the table, a lot of the tea party people were saying it is time we put a stop to some of this crap and stood firm until the party told them to sit down and shut up. I was one who thought it was the right thing to do not to pass a budget extension because it came time for the republicans to stand for something but instead caved because the dems made them look like the idiots.

It is early in the process.To early for any of the candidates to be putting their cards on the table.This is how the process works.If it were a republican in the white house the democrats would be going through the same process.One of the biggest reasons the republicans have made the gains they have is because THEY HAVE EXPOSED THE THINGS OBAMA HAS DONE.

Well I understand it is early in the process but see here is the thing, Paul Ryan took an idea and ran with it, he did the right thing by presenting a plan, talking about it, defending it and than trying to get it passed. IF one of those on that panel did something like that - Bachmann and Paul are the two I am thinking - then they would prove that they have something going on other than rhetoric and fluff (yes even ron paul)

BUT see the independent voter isn't fooled like the republican party mutt who follows along or votes in the primary, they know what Obama is but more importantly want to see the proof that the other person is not JUST better as they say that they are but more transparent than Obama and can prove it before the ballot is cast. No matter how you want to spin it, that is how it seems to be - fire one to get something worse is wearing thin for most who are just tired of the BS.

Talk about SPIN. what the persident promised on the campgain trail does not matter you say.Yet what the republicans promised on the campgian trail does you say.:confused:

No spin, I think you need to look around a bit and not depend on the fox/polls to understand how people feel.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
Really?

I don't think it was a different time at all, we faced economic issues that were solvable but no one wanted to solve them. The problems we faced are the same when you come down to it and there was and still is a distrust for congress - wasn't congress' approval ratings near the single digit at that time and the repubs who are the same ones today running around preaching cut spending, are the same ones who spent like mad in the years leading up to the 2006 election? Don't matter who is in there, they are the same people.

With the same thing happening in 2006 and today, the people are fed up with things, the parties don't seem to get the message - maybe they need to listen to Ron Paul or Herman Cain a bit?



So let's see...

With 37 seats up for grabs in the senate, the republicans only gained 6 seats. Which I can understand what the reasons were, they didn't impress those voters in those states to make even more of a move to the republican party.

So how do you think the 2012 election will go, what do you base this on? I mean with 33 seats up for grabs and it seems like a large number of them being dems won't be a shoe in that will gain the additional seats for the repubs to gain control and at that, a filibuster proof majority.



Really?

I mean if you want to count them as could of's go for it but Nevada was Reid territory while Delaware is bidens so I would expect a dem to win.



Yes it is but you know look around, we are moving right along with things, just because 15% of the people are unemployed, does not mean that the entire country is impacted by it. What I mean is when everyone takes a big bit of that ******* *** sandwich, it will a impact on the presidential race.



What drugs are you taking. They are doing a lousy job with the majority in the house. They allowed the debt ceiling to be raised, they put up a poorly planned budget, they have passed an extension to the transportation bill all without actually putting up a fight.



Well maybe but again if they continue to act like they do, what good are they?



The 2006 election is relevant today as it was in 2010.



Well I am not talking about the tea party crowd, I am talking about the republicans who have been entrenched in congress at the same time been strictly party line people.

There is a difference, most like Beohner is one such person, he is and has been part of the old guard that stops a lot of things from happening with the new ideas and the tea party people.



Well examine what I mean by compromise. Take the debt ceiling, where a lot of people were telling the republicans not to compromise and agree with some idea of cuts later on, that is the compromise I and others are tired of. The same goes for the supreme court conformations under Bush, the dems in the senate threaten to filibuster any and all nominees until their demands were met, some of them was to pass legislation that spent more money while many in the republican party went along with it, they expected the dems to allow other things to be passed later on but when the time came, the dems refused.

Politics is a game of compromise but see it is a game the dems are good at and the republican can't get it together enough to impact anything.

When the budget, last years budget was on the table, a lot of the tea party people were saying it is time we put a stop to some of this crap and stood firm until the party told them to sit down and shut up. I was one who thought it was the right thing to do not to pass a budget extension because it came time for the republicans to stand for something but instead caved because the dems made them look like the idiots.



Well I understand it is early in the process but see here is the thing, Paul Ryan took an idea and ran with it, he did the right thing by presenting a plan, talking about it, defending it and than trying to get it passed. IF one of those on that panel did something like that - Bachmann and Paul are the two I am thinking - then they would prove that they have something going on other than rhetoric and fluff (yes even ron paul)

BUT see the independent voter isn't fooled like the republican party mutt who follows along or votes in the primary, they know what Obama is but more importantly want to see the proof that the other person is not JUST better as they say that they are but more transparent than Obama and can prove it before the ballot is cast. No matter how you want to spin it, that is how it seems to be - fire one to get something worse is wearing thin for most who are just tired of the BS.



No spin, I think you need to look around a bit and not depend on the fox/polls to understand how people feel.

No fox polls here greg one only has to listen it seems more and more everyday democrats are even calling Obama out for his failures.Independent voters are very smart but you are mistkan if you think they are going to vote for a guy again that has taken this country further down in one term then the past 4 or 5 presidents have together.

You see even though you belive what Obama said on the campgain does not matter but it does.You see those independent voters wanted something different,They belived they had found it in Obama because of the things he promised.Then he takes the white house and other then Obamacare what has he really done that he said he would?Nothing but made things worse.As much as you may not see it sometimes the unknown is much easier to take then the known.

If they had stood their ground and let the government shut down they would have been dead in the water.As it is they were able to make the democrats and Obama take some of that blame and anger from voters.just as they did with the debt celiling.And that is a win.You think the indpendents are going to think about that when it comes time to vote and not think if the democrats had done there job in the first place the country would not have been on the brink of a shut down?When they think about that they think well at least the republican were willing to do the job they were sent to washington to do.

I relize it is hard for you to see the unbeatable one falling from the high perch he is on.You are not alone we will help you through it if you need it.:D
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Really?
I don't think it was a different time at all, we faced economic issues that were solvable but no one wanted to solve them. The problems we faced are the same when you come down to it and there was and still is a distrust for congress...
In 2006 the unemployment rate was 4.6%, and the problems we faced were NOTHING like what we have today. Only a prescient few were raising concerns about Fannie and Freddie and the developing housing bubble. The govt. agencies (including the Fed and Congress) dismissed these worries as unfounded. The storm was brewing, but only a few saw the clouds.
With 37 seats up for grabs in the senate, the republicans only gained 6 seats. Which I can understand what the reasons were, they didn't impress those voters in those states to make even more of a move to the republican party.
Considering the overall gains in the House, state governors, state representatives and these 6 Senate seats, it was nothing less than a landslide. This trend has been reinforced by the aforementioned recent elections. A district in NYC that has been democrat for 90 years doesn't go Republican just for a whim.
So how do you think the 2012 election will go, what do you base this on? I mean with 33 seats up for grabs and it seems like a large number of them being dems won't be a shoe in that will gain the additional seats for the repubs to gain control and at that, a filibuster proof majority.
Considering that VA, WI, MT, NE & ND are all likely GOP gains it puts the Senate in their control. Even Diane Feinstein is on shaky ground, so there could be some other surprises as well. But that's what I see in my crystal ball because the economy is not likely to change for the better between now and then.
Yes it is but you know look around, we are moving right along with things, just because 15% of the people are unemployed, does not mean that the entire country is impacted by it.
Come on, you know better than that. Considering the unemployed, plus the UNDERemployed heads of households and those that have given up looking the true unemployed figures are in the mid-teen percentages. The stats are drastically higher for teenagers and blacks. How can you possibly say the entire country is not impacted by the current unemployment situation?
What drugs are you taking. They are doing a lousy job with the majority in the house. They allowed the debt ceiling to be raised, they put up a poorly planned budget, they have passed an extension to the transportation bill all without actually putting up a fight.
Actually they did a good job of preventing Obama from raising taxes as part of the deal, and made him look petulant and ineffective in the process. Granted, the spending cuts are insignificant but this process was almost a Mexican standoff from the beginning. The Ryan budget and the second proposal were well planned and detailed, as opposed to the non-budget that Obama never presented. There was never a possibility that the debt ceiling was not going to be raised - they had to concede that from the beginning given the circumstances. Keep in mind that Obama started off wanting tax increases, an increase in the debt ceiling and NO SPENDING CUTS. In other words, he was asking for a blank check with no strings attached and didn't come close. The public is beginning to recognize that he's weak, indecisive and incompetent - as well they should.
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
In 2006 the unemployment rate was 4.6%, and the problems we faced were NOTHING like what we have today. Only a prescient few were raising concerns about Fannie and Freddie and the developing housing bubble. The govt. agencies (including the Fed and Congress) dismissed these worries as unfounded. The storm was brewing, but only a few saw the clouds.
Considering the overall gains in the House, state governors, state representatives and these 6 Senate seats, it was nothing less than a landslide. This trend has been reinforced by the aforementioned recent elections. A district in NYC that has been democrat for 90 years doesn't go Republican just for a whim.
Considering that VA, WI, MT, NE & ND are all likely GOP gains it puts the Senate in their control. Even Diane Feinstein is on shaky ground, so there could be some other surprises as well. But that's what I see in my crystal ball because the economy is not likely to change for the better between now and then.
Come on, you know better than that. Considering the unemployed, plus the UNDERemployed heads of households and those that have given up looking the true unemployed figures are in the mid-teen percentages. The stats are drastically higher for teenagers and blacks. How can you possibly say the entire country is not impacted by the current unemployment situation?
Actually they did a good job of preventing Obama from raising taxes as part of the deal, and made him look petulant and ineffective in the process. Granted, the spending cuts are insignificant but this process was almost a Mexican standoff from the beginning. The Ryan budget and the second proposal were well planned and detailed, as opposed to the non-budget that Obama never presented. There was never a possibility that the debt ceiling was not going to be raised - they had to concede that from the beginning given the circumstances. Keep in mind that Obama started off wanting tax increases, an increase in the debt ceiling and NO SPENDING CUTS. In other words, he was asking for a blank check with no strings attached and didn't come close. The public is beginning to recognize that he's weak, indecisive and incompetent - as well they should.

What was that obama said to cantor?Dont call my bluff because I will let the country default!And what happend they called his bluff and he blinked?That was better then anything he said on the campaign trail.:D
 
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