The joker in chief

[greg334]

I understand all of that, but as experience in running the country, he is like Nixon and Bush. Bush left a lot of things up to others, as does Obama, they both take the heat for it. Nixon on the other hand understood how to delegate which is not actually an executive quality as a whole, there has to be a vision there and there wasn't in from the middle of his first term onward, which all three - actually Clinton included lacked.

Being a representative or senator means little and it has been discussed a lot in the different parts of academia/political world that most senators make lousy presidents and this is one thing that is a failing more than a help. they don't govern, the legislate so there is a bit of a different.

Obama is a form of Acidemia, just as Wilson was. He was also a state senator too before running for the US senate.

Bush was a governor, I grant him the experience leads up to the president but here is a problem with it, we went from Clinton to a disaster to two wars and a patched together economy all to lead us to a Marxist president and got to tell you as much as Bush was a fair president, we lost our vision of what the country is/could be and became deeply divided by both side's actions during his time in office - you can blame that on the liberals but it is really a two way street. Do you think that maybe if we didn't have the one war or both wars and the focus was on securing the country within the boundaries of the existing laws while focusing on the economy, we would not have ended up with Obama or McCain?

 

[Pilgrim]

Do you think that maybe if we didn't have the one war or both wars and the focus was on securing the country within the boundaries of the existing laws while focusing on the economy, we would not have ended up with Obama or McCain?

I'll be the first to agree that the federal and state governments should make it a point to enforce our existing laws - not only for immigration, but also the ones that deal with banking and finance.

As Bush's 2d term was winding down, so was the war in Iraq. The Surge had been successful, the place was under control and the plan for withdrawal of troops was in place. Afghanistan was beginning to act up again because the US troops had pulled out of the areas that were wrested away from the taliban, allowing them to come back in and start causing trouble. But our actions there were blessed by The One during the campaign, and he even said this was the "Good War".

We probably would have gotten stuck with Obama and McCain no matter what. But it was the economy which failed at just the right time that sealed our fate and brought the liberals into power, and this failure was due to bad financial practices that started with the Fair Housing Act being morphed into a sort of welfare program for people who couldn't afford a house during the Clinton years. Then the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act's regulatory provisions in 1999 sealed the deal to allow financial institutions to gamble away the taxpayers' dollars by betting on packages of home loans that were almost guaranteed to fail.

Many people seen to think it was the two wars that sunk the economy, but that's not the case. It was a financial system that was rotten to the core, and there were a lot of parties that were to blame including Congress, the Fed, Wall St, Fannie and Freddie. Of course it was easier for the Democrats and the media to blame Bush and his wars because that's easier for the public to understand than the intricacies of high finance - and wars are always unpopular anyway. Combine all that with the emergence of an ultra-liberal, semi-black presidential candidate that makes good speeches and the mainstream media had the perfect situation to finally promote a racial minority candidate for president - it didn't matter that he wasn't qualified for the job and was promising to turn the US into a European Socialist type of country. It's unlikely the voters of America will be fooled like this again.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I will try should really start calling it the USA.

We are not United Statesians. We are Americans. When people speak of America, they are talking about us. The United States is our official governmental name. Diplomats say "... the gentleman from the United States..." not "the gentleman from America..."

I am an American, and a citizen of Michigan. I do not claim to be a government entity, so I'm not from the United States... only one state at a time.

 

[aristotle]

Sorry guys, NJ Governor Christie will never capture the GOP nomination for President. Not in 2016 or later. Christie is completely unacceptable to Southern conservatives and social conservatives. Being right on fiscal issues alone doesn't make Christie electable. A Northeastern Republican who is as socially liberal as Christie couldn't get to first base in the primaries.

Understanding how a candidate locks up a GOP nomination begins with understanding where real electoral power resides. Southern conservatives and social conservatives dominate the GOP nominating process. Obama correctly called them "those who cling to their guns and Bible." The Guns and Bible crowd would never, never tolerate the likes of Chris Christie. No way, no how.

More specifically to the geographic equation, go back and look at the red state/blue state maps portraying the victories of Reagan and Bush43. Vast red swaths from coast to coast. Obama won partly because he managed to pick off a few Southern states which were normally reliable Republican states. I don't see Florida or Virginia or North Carolina lining up for Obama this time around.

In my rural southern state of Kentucky, Barack Hussein Obama carried just 8 of 120 counties in the presidential election of 2008. He will not fare so well again.

 

[tbubster]

We are not United Statesians. We are Americans. When people speak of America, they are talking about us. The United States is our official governmental name. Diplomats say "... the gentleman from the United States..." not "the gentleman from America..."

I am an American, and a citizen of Michigan. I do not claim to be a government entity, so I'm not from the United States... only one state at a time.

I was saying this because someone that just has to be right and prove how wrong everyone who they disagree with is pointed out that american can mean other countrys that also have america in their name.


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Re: The joker in chief

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Yep its about jobs for americans.

Was Costa Rica recently relocated to Asia ? Europe ? Antarctica ?








Maybe you should be saying this to others and not me.When I hear the word america I know who a person is speaking of.

By the way I may be an american but I am also a a citizen Of the united states

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I was saying this because someone that just has to be right and prove how wrong everyone who they disagree with is pointed out that american can mean other countrys that also have america in their name.


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Re: The joker in chief

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Originally Posted by tbubster
Yep its about jobs for americans.

Was Costa Rica recently relocated to Asia ? Europe ? Antarctica ?








Maybe you should be saying this to others and not me.When I hear the word america I know who a person is speaking of.

By the way I may be an american but I am also a a citizen Of the united states

Really, I was just saying it in general, and ended up quoting yours.

 

[tbubster]

Thats cool did not mean to sound rude sorry if it was taken that way.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

It's all good!

 

[greg334]

Well I don't know about that conservative thing, it seems that it won't matter much because if we depend on them, then Obama will retire out of the WH in 2016.

I wonder why would Perry run to trump and kiss his ring?