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Veteran Expediter
Yep it seem some of you reference polls and repeat things from Fox as if they matter.
Well actually in the first 18 months of Bush, our government did some really great things too, so it is not an accumulation of the past compared to the present. You can justify the increase in debt as one, health care is another but that is all still congress, not the president's work.
Like you, many forget the president does not make laws, he does not provide funding or much of everything, this is the job of congress and with some really smart voters - won't mention names here - they seem to think "not my guy because he does a good job" is the right attitude.
Well first what he said on the campaign trail doesn't matter as much as what he did after the election.
Why?
Because many people knew those were empty promises, not going to materialize unless the congress cooperates with him but on the other hand, the independents looked at the two people running, and gave the edge to Obama, not because they like their message but because there was something about McCain that screamed distrust. Maybe it was the past performance of him and issues like say Immigration that just put a spot light on his lack of leadership and lack of concern for the American citizen?
You should look back at McCain to see why Obama won.
Well about Obamacare, the impact of it has yet to be seen, one of the funny things about it. The underlying issue with it is the way it will impact the people has yet to be figured out and is one of the factors involved with the ambiguity I speak of that prevents companies from hiring. So overall Obamacare is not a factor. Outside of that, it is still the problem that falls on congress's shoulders and they have done nothing to shore up confidence - both parties and everyone in them.
Well first thing I have to ask, what's wrong with a shut down?
I mean think about this for a minute, things still go on, planes don't fall out of the sky and people don't die instantly like someone pulled their electrical cord?
Law enforcement still has to work, the military still has to work so what's the deal with it?
I tell you, there isn't any.
I think if they stood their ground, had a unified message to the people of their districts/states and backed it up with ideas to move the country forward, there would never be a consideration of being dead in the water.
BUT did they?
Nope. Not even considered it.
I relize it is hard for you to see the unbeatable one falling from the high perch he is on.You are not alone we will help you through it if you need it.
NO it is the opposite, I see he is beatable but the euphoria over this crowd of idiots in the republican party illustrates the problem that many independents see, nothing has changed enough to show anything other than business as usual in Washington.
This is my entire point, the landscape hasn't changed, there isn't anything new being spoke about and when the republicans were told to find someone and run with them right away, it wasn't to circumvent some antiquated process but to give them the step up to actually make changes. If we have the same old idiots speaking the same things they spoke about while attacking the administration, it is tiring to hear and many won't pay attention to the message - even those who are unemployed. All of it has to change and the tea party brought the first part of it to the public and they liked it but the republicans have pretty much stomped on that and left it in the dust within their party - not saying the tea party is dead, but saying they are going to end up fighting against the republicans to keep moving forward.
2006 was way beyond the economy, even though we had serious issue with it then and it was a mitigating factor involved in what people saw in congress nevertheless the change took place because of the republican congress could not act as they should have and the people fired them.
Well first I didn't see that as a precursor to improvements, just the opposite. We still have high unemployment, we still have entrenched bureaucrats and we still have the same issues we have had for the past 10 years - all of which has intensified. SO the gains made mean little when the people act all the same as if they were destined to be little kings in congress.
I think the point is this, to simplify it, we have problems with both parties acting the same and nothing will change until the people don't want to deal with them any more. Until then it doesn't matter if they are republican or democrat, they are the same.
OK I can see it happen but then again I can see it not happen - only when the votes are counted is when you can count on it. Feinstien may be down in the polls but I don't know about that race swinging republican unless she does something drastic.
AND yes the economy will not get better, but it may not get worse.
I know better but it isn't the problem the entire country faces at this point. Many are worried but a lot are either not impacted by it or ignore it which the latter happens more often than not. Teenagers don't vote, blacks are more likely to vote democratic so the stats and reality is there for them but not going to sway whole blocks of people over to the republicans unless they are told the democratic party is the party of slave holders by the dems themselves.
The impact to others, say those who are working in LA or in NYC seems to be less than those who are in the mid-west. It is those liberal centers of employment that the republicans should focus on, they may have the mid-west at this point IF they come up with a plan and stick to it.
Well you know Obama made them look like fools. The cuts were insignificant and they, the republicans made it out as one big gain until the media pointed out the fact there were no cuts, so tell me how can I or anyone else trust the republicans when they can't tell us the real truth, not the spun truth?
Again, here is the problem, Ryan's plan was a good start but we didn't hear from anyone about the lack of a budget from the republican party unless it was used as a talking point. I mean throughout the 2010 campaign, not much was said and if it was, it wasn't an effective message.
What circumstances?
Seriously, there would not been a default of our debts to the debt holders. People would have been paid their SS checks so what circumstances dictated that the debt ceiling needed to be raised?
When you come up with concrete information that would force us into any default position, then I can believe the propaganda but until then it was just a bunch of BS that was used by everyone to get it done.
Well guess what they handed him?
A blank check.
I didn't see any spending cuts nor have I seen any strings attached. The super committee has to come up with something and it is an up or down vote that by the way can be delayed. Instead of standing firm and letting things happen, as the tea party people wanted, the republicans again told them to sit down and shut up.
The public knows he is weak, they are disgusted with all of them and that's my point. It isn't just about the president, it is about both the congress, president and the parties.
What was that obama said to cantor?Dont call my bluff because I will let the country default!And what happend they called his bluff and he blinked?That was better then anything he said on the campaign trail.
What was going to happen?
Look at what happened with the FAA and see how many planes fell out of the sky.
The country can't default with the amount of revenue that came in, that is one of the biggest lies we have been told and most believe it. The way it works is simple but it is also that countries that hold our debt can not demand payment before their time and the interest payments can be suspended but would have been covered by the revenue that came in during that time.
I think the truth is the following. For some odd reason the Obama adminsitration and the democrats are too concerned with the staock market as if it is an indicator of the economy. They have done a lot more than the Bush administration to prop it up while ignoring the real issues, Bush did the same exact thing. The thing is, if we didn't raise the debt ceiling, then the stock market would have gone down, Obama's and those dems' buds would not have made a lot of money and the republicans would have been blamed. The republicans would have been in a bad position to explain to those idiots in the public why their 401ks lost money and it would have given the dems more power to use against them. Screw the idea that our grandchildren and great grandchildren will pay for our laziness, the stock market needs to gain all the time so those connected people can make money.
If you remember one of the points that Ron Paul made when he asked why is the national debt including debt to ourselves, he said what we should do is to tell the federal reserve to stick the debt somewhere that we owe them and not pay it because we are paying ourselves. I think a large amount of the 14 trillion is owed to the federal reserve, so we can wipe that debt away in one stroke of the pen.
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