Scale question

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
What do you mean "not so quick"? Should I have asked.... the..... question....... sslloooowwwwweeeeer?

Beachbum made an all-encompassing, wide-sweeping and universal assertion, which I replied to, and now you introduce a very narrow possible exception into the discussion.

As for the little print, we need the SD statute that defines "trucks" and "truck with trailers" to know if a soccer mommy van pulling a motorcycle trailer applies.

I know you were addressing an all encompassing statement...and yes I did introduce an even narrower scope....my bad to muddy the water.....please continue...:)
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
It would be nice if all states adopted a uniform weight and vehicle definition regarding stopping for scales. In 15 years of cargo van driving I have never stopped at an open scale except when placarded and once at a port of entry in Montana. I have never been chased down for running a scale and if I were, I would plead ignorance. I'm very good at the ignorant thing. Some say I'm a born natural.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
It would be nice if all states adopted a uniform weight and vehicle definition regarding stopping for scales. In 15 years of cargo van driving I have never stopped at an open scale except when placarded and once at a port of entry in Montana. I have never been chased down for running a scale and if I were, I would plead ignorance. I'm very good at the ignorant thing. Some say I'm a born natural.

The Feds should just claim the interstates under the commerce clause and dump state DOT out of the scale houses....1 set of rules across the land....once the truck leaves the sytem and rolls unto state highways....they are fair game...
 

Monty

Expert Expediter
"Most" states have adopted the Federal guidelines as regulation for interstate commerce. And still maintain state rules for intrastate commerce.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
The Feds should just claim the interstates under the commerce clause and dump state DOT out of the scale houses....1 set of rules across the land....once the truck leaves the sytem and rolls unto state highways....they are fair game...

Just what we need. Even MORE federal control under the 'commerce clause'. :eek:
So much for State's rights, not that anyone seems to care anymore.
 

bobwg

Expert Expediter
Yes have seen Buses stop at scale before and saw one today stop at scale in Maryland
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Just what we need. Even MORE federal control under the 'commerce clause'. :eek:
So much for State's rights, not that anyone seems to care anymore.

Air, Rail and Waterways are all Federal regulated....why not ground?...after all it is called the National Highway system.....
 

BobWolf

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Im getting the Idea that Van and sprinter work can be a grey area when it comes to regs. Seems allot is up in the air when it comes to state regs at least. Is it legal to run just plain jane no signage?

Maby this is traveling off subject Im sure everyone else has seen the poorly maintained Rvs and campers and the in experianced owners. Personaly I would like to see RVs requireing A dot# and an MC #, having to pull into the scales and CDLs and logbooks for anything larger than an 8 foot pull behind starter popup. I know, I know, we will never see it and if it dose they wont get anywhere near the flack we get as professonal drivers.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
It's a gray area only if you don't know the regs, and the definitions, and who the regs are applicable to.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Im getting the Idea that Van and sprinter work can be a grey area when it comes to regs. Seems allot is up in the air when it comes to state regs at least. Is it legal to run just plain jane no signage?

Maby this is traveling off subject Im sure everyone else has seen the poorly maintained Rvs and campers and the in experianced owners. Personaly I would like to see RVs requireing A dot# and an MC #, having to pull into the scales and CDLs and logbooks for anything larger than an 8 foot pull behind starter popup. I know, I know, we will never see it and if it dose they wont get anywhere near the flack we get as professonal drivers.

I'd like to see CV driver have at a minimum a CDL....and running authority application accompanied with a valid CDL.....
 

BobWolf

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Agree, anyone who drives anything larger than a car shoult be qualified. I see my share of rent A wrecks and no one has a clue of how to opperate them.
 
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blackpup

Veteran Expediter
I have my doubts that you will make the world safe from itself, by throwing more rules and regulations at it.

jimmy
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Education. I think everyone getting a driver's license should have to take the CDL written test. It forces you to learn a few things that will make you more aware of things around you.
 

blackpup

Veteran Expediter
Education. I think everyone getting a driver's license should have to take the CDL written test. It forces you to learn a few things that will make you more aware of things around you.

That might be like leading the horse to water, you still can not make him drink. I do agree with increased education though, persuading people to use that knowlege ? I am often amazed at the lack of consideration for others, shown by some drivers

jimmy
 

mjmsprt40

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm not so sure. We have drivers out there who have taken the CDL tests, driving huge tractor-trailer rigs, who still have no concept of how much room you need to stop. At least, not if the following distances they're allowing themselves are any indication.

So, if that's the case for people who actually drive big rigs, how would making people who drive cars take the CDL written tests be any more aware of what CDL drivers have to go through?

Special note: That following distance can disappear in a hurry when something happens up ahead, and I see people, from small cars on up to monster rigs, allowing distances that would be frightening in a parking lot to be all they have on the Interstate. Taking a CDL test doesn't seem to stop people from being brain-dead behind the wheel.
 
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