Rethinking 9/11, and other rants

[Tennesseahawk]

Wow..this was enlightening...on several levels....

Through all of this i remember 2 statements that Ronald Reagan made:



Do I believe our government is capable of turning on us the people? You bet, barry is doing now.. (in my opinion he is deliberately trying to divide the country based on class and also race for his own gain) do I believe the conspiracy stuff and the truther stuff that 9-11 was done by our government? Nope...but i do believe they are capable...

Democrats always try to gain ground by using class warfare, or that infamous race card. I was in the truckstop in West Point, MS today, talking to 3 other C&M drivers about the topics of the day. There were some black customers sitting around the tables as well. I started my shpeel about Obama, and one of the drivers was like, "Shhh!" Well, if these people are so shallow to think that I was racist because I talked about the messiah like that, screw em. I give no quarter, and I expect none.

But as far as the economy, I believe there are more powerful people than Obama messing with the skunkworks there.

 

[clcooper]

Democrats always try to gain ground by using class warfare, or that infamous race card. I was in the truckstop in West Point, MS today, talking to 3 other C&M drivers about the topics of the day. There were some black customers sitting around the tables as well. I started my shpeel about Obama, and one of the drivers was like, "Shhh!" Well, if these people are so shallow to think that I was racist because I talked about the messiah like that, screw em. I give no quarter, and I expect none.

But as far as the economy, I believe there are more powerful people than Obama messing with the skunkworks there.

kind of like some on EO . they dont believe that the government will do anything to the people for their own gain . and when somebody says anything differant they are called truthers

 

[paullud]

kind of like some on EO . they dont believe that the government will do anything to the people for their own gain . and when somebody says anything differant they are called truthers

What are you even talking about!? Have you bothered to even read or think about what you post? There are people that think the government is trying to create a NWO, I can look at the evidence there and agree. I think the government would definitely tank our economy as a way of creating more government departments and gaining more control over us. Truthers are a different group from others, they will have no evidence of their view and claim all evidence that goes against them was created by the government. They like to use a fact like there is about a 1% chance of a cell phone being able to make a call at 34,000 feet but intentionally leave out the fact that the planes were never that high. These people cling to their delusions and deny facts right in front of them. If I start to see proof that the government is not trying to create a NWO or a North American Union I am willing to evaluate the situation and change my views.

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[clcooper]

You are comparing a narrow skyscraper to a building that is less than 80 feet tall and each wall is 921 long, a 767 has a wingspan of 156 feet so no it would not destroy half of the Pentagon. The plane wingspan doesn't even equal 20% of one wall, but I know the truthers like to throw around the idea that there just wasn't enough damage done so hopefully that will clear up that for you..

so why wasnt more destroied by the super hot burning air plane fuel . ??

so which is it the wing span that destroied the towers or is it the super hot burning fuel ??

I am not sure how much clearer I can make this for you but they did release the hotel security camera video. Remember I used the same statement to show you aren't looking into things yourself, you can watch the video on CNN's site or even YouTube..

just being like you . i believe what i believe and nothing will ever change it . atleast what you say wont

It got hit on the south wall mostly but a section on the west wall was also damaged. The damage was bad on the south wall it went about a third of the way into the building..

and where did the super hot fuel hit it at . because it fell the stright down to . you say it got hit on the south side but not the north but the north fell same time and complatly just like the south . must be 2 + 2= 5 why the north side fell

Yes I watched a few get taken down by Muslim terrorists on 9/11/01..

so they are the only ones you every seen now you know how all buildings come down weather planed or unplaned

It was a French film crew that released a video they shot, so I used common sense and reasoning to be able come to the conclusion that they were French..

HOW do you know it was a french film crew . were you there ??

Just because you believe someone that manipulates facts does not mean they are independent. There have been many groups that have looked into the conspiracy theory including Popular Mechanics, what did they have to gain? Please read this article, it goes through the myths and lies truthers use. 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Pentagon - Flight 93 - Popular Mechanics.

so the government could not of told them if you ever what any more money you will say this . can you say stimlus payment

Yes only person is needed to make death certificates, you sure got me there. So your evolving theory is that the government found almost 3000 people that hated their lives and families and talked them all into going on a permanent vacation..

so there has never been a dead voters . do you want me to make you one there is a web site you can go and get one made out .
did you see all of the death certificates. ???

Actually they had called in to report the hijackings..

but they didnt know where the planes were . so how did the know they were hijacked

I don't know, was the film about sand? .

showing your Ignorance should be distinguished from stupidity, although both can lead to "unwise" acts.

I never demolished a building with explosives, I have been on 3 planes, I forgot to set a stop watch to see how long I spent watching videos or researching..

so how do you know how the come down . and the towers were not . and where was the phones at and for the last one showing your Ignorance again

but since you have continued to show no intent to look at things from any other point of view or any interest in the truth I doubt you would look at the link I included or watch a show that might make you think.

did you write this for your self .you are telling me to look at it from other point of views but are you . so far all i know you are baseing your point of veiw from a cartoon. calling people truthers , tin foil hat wears and what ever else .

can you speck the muslim terroist groups langage ?

conspiracy theorist are the only ones to manipulate evidence to prove they are right ???
the US government never has ??

 

[clcooper]

What are you even talking about!? Have you bothered to even read or think about what you post? There are people that think the government is trying to create a NWO, I can look at the evidence there and agree. I think the government would definitely tank our economy as a way of creating more government departments and gaining more control over us. Truthers are a different group from others, they will have no evidence of their view and claim all evidence that goes against them was created by the government. They like to use a fact like there is about a 1% chance of a cell phone being able to make a call at 34,000 feet but intentionally leave out the fact that the planes were never that high. These people cling to their delusions and deny facts right in front of them. If I start to see proof that the government is not trying to create a NWO or a North American Union I am willing to evaluate the situation and change my views.

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so the government would not do something like 9/11 to scare the people so the people are more willing to give up their right and freedoms . allowing the TSA and home land secirty

 

[Turtle]

Either way it proves you just make up what you don't know or just believe what you are told by people with an agenda.

It also proves very little, if any at all, objective research has been done. The only research that has been done is that from conspiracy Web sites looking for more stuff to bolster the belief. All of the "if/then" and "why that, then" questions and points that he keeps bringing up have all been answered factually, and the conclusions drawn from those questions have all been resoundingly and irrefutably debunked. But all that gets dismissed in favor of the conspiracy. And the more facts that are presented, the tighter the grip on the conspiracy. The truth actually becomes part of the conspiracy itself. It's amazing, it really is.

 

[paullud]

so why wasnt more destroied by the super hot burning air plane fuel . ??

It was not a 110 story building with a steel structure.

so which is it the wing span that destroied the towers or is it the super hot burning fuel ??

Yes

just being like you . i believe what i believe and nothing will ever change it . atleast what you say wont

Just being like me? What sense does that make? If you were like me you would look into the story and review the facts from both sides to determine the truth. For you to say I can't change your belief with evidence and facts is pretty ridiculous.

and where did the super hot fuel hit it at . because it fell the stright down to . you say it got hit on the south side but not the north but the north fell same time and complatly just like the south . must be 2 + 2= 5 why the north side fell

Building 7 was on fire for hours and sustained severe physical damage, the way the building fell you can see it started on one side and the stress brought the rest of the floor down with it.

so they are the only ones you every seen now you know how all buildings come down weather planed or unplaned

I didn't say they were the only ones I have ever seen and I never claimed to be an expert, I have reviewed research by the experts though.

HOW do you know it was a french film crew . were you there ??

Are you serious or just trying to be difficult? They said they were French and the fire department was known to be shooting a documentary with a French crew. Why does it matter what their nationality is?

so the government could not of told them if you ever what any more money you will say this . can you say stimlus payment

What proof do you have of this or are you just making facts up again?

so there has never been a dead voters . do you want me to make you one there is a web site you can go and get one made out .
did you see all of the death certificates. ???

So somehow 9/11 is connected to voter fraud? Is this just another odd pointless fact? I am not sure what the point of these statements could even mean. Are you saying all of the death certificates are fake? That would just involve even more people into the tens of thousands that would be needed to fake the deaths of 2750.

but they didnt know where the planes were . so how did the know they were hijacked

The planes were being hijacked and they put out a distress call, then the terrorists shut off the transponders.

showing your Ignorance should be distinguished from stupidity, although both can lead to "unwise" acts.

Umm, what ignorance? You gave no real information and I should just be able to guess. That is how you work, you take 2 pieces of vague information with no supporting facts and then come up with a conclusion, that is ignorant.

so how do you know how the come down . and the towers were not . and where was the phones at and for the last one showing your Ignorance again

I addressed the phone garbage in another post. How is not timing how long I research something ignorant?

did you write this for your self .you are telling me to look at it from other point of views but are you . so far all i know you are baseing your point of veiw from a cartoon. calling people truthers , tin foil hat wears and what ever else .

I have looked at 9/11 through other eyes, remember I already told you I looked into it because I thought it was a possibility. You never bothered watching the show so how do you know what views I could possibly have from the cartoon? Again you are speaking out of ignorance. I never mentioned tin foil hats, I call people like you truthers because that is what you are most commonly known as and I have not used it as an insult. I can think of numerous other things to call truthers but they would not be polite.

can you speck the muslim terroist groups langage ?

I know some but I am not close to being fluent. Why don't you tell me what they are really saying then since you are saying the translations are all BS and none of the other translators have been able to do it correctly.

conspiracy theorist are the only ones to manipulate evidence to prove they are right ???
the US government never has ??

Again if you stopped speaking out of ignorance and actually read what I post you would be able to see I believe in some of these theories, but when the evidence clearly points to it being wrong and we know the truthers have lied and misled to prove their agenda why would I believe them?

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[paullud]

so the government would not do something like 9/11 to scare the people so the people are more willing to give up their right and freedoms . allowing the TSA and home land secirty

I don't think they even needed 9/11 to pass the Patriot Act, the average voter doesn't pay attention enough to know what is going on. The government has brainwashed enough people already that they could convince them giving up their rights is the best for the greater good. If the government was going to commit a terrorist act on it's own people why wouldn't they just park a truck full of explosives in front or under the buildings instead of involving the tens of thousands of people that would be involved in the international conspiracy you believe in.

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[clcooper]

Building 7 was on fire for hours and sustained severe physical damage, the way the building fell you can see it started on one side and the stress brought the rest of the floor down with it.

Are you serious or just trying to be difficult? They said they were French and the fire department was known to be shooting a documentary with a French crew. Why does it matter what their nationality is?


So somehow 9/11 is connected to voter fraud? Is this just another odd pointless fact? I am not sure what the point of these statements could even mean. Are you saying all of the death certificates are fake? That would just involve even more people into the tens of thousands that would be needed to fake the deaths of 2750.


I know some but I am not close to being fluent. Why don't you tell me what they are really saying then since you are saying the translations are all BS and none of the other translators have been able to do it correctly.

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watch building 7 then watch a planed building go down

i never said anything about anybodies nationality. i asked you how do you know ?? you were there ??

death certificates are fake why couldnt they be . did you see them did you know everybody that died ???

just so glad people watch those videos with sound . they would never know the truth by watching then alone

ok i am done .just remember what the white man did to the indians and the black man . the white man of today is 100% better right. are they better at treating others right or is that better at getting away with treating others bad . and why did bin laden hate the US so much .

 

[clcooper]

I don't think they even needed 9/11 to pass the Patriot Act, the average voter doesn't pay attention enough to know what is going on. The government has brainwashed enough people already that they could convince them giving up their rights is the best for the greater good. If the government was going to commit a terrorist act on it's own people why wouldn't they just park a truck full of explosives in front or under the buildings instead of involving the tens of thousands of people that would be involved in the international conspiracy you believe in.

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""why wouldn't they just park a truck full of explosives in front or under the buildings instead"" it already has been done . but they didnt get the reactions /results they were looking for .

just like all of the lone gun men . most had hard enough time with everyday life but were good enough to plan to get close enough to take their shots .

 

[paullud]

watch building 7 then watch a planed building go down

I have done it numerous times before, they would look similar because it is the same scientific principles that brings buildings down.

i never said anything about anybodies nationality. i asked you how do you know ?? you were there ??

I explained how I figured out they were French and I was asking you why does it matter if they are French because you keep asking how I know. I am saying their nationality has no bearing on what they caught on film so why do you keep asking me how I know where they are from.

death certificates are fake why couldnt they be . did you see them did you know everybody that died ???

Why would they make fake death certificates for real dead people? Just another odd statement I guess. No I clearly did not know everybody that died, how many people have you found that they said were dead really are living another life somewhere or the people never really existed?

just so glad people watch those videos with sound . they would never know the truth by watching then alone

Again just odd and I don't know what you are saying.

ok i am done .just remember what the white man did to the indians and the black man . the white man of today is 100% better right. are they better at treating others right or is that better at getting away with treating others bad . and why did bin laden hate the US so much .

I am aware of what the US government has done to people in the past but we no longer practice genocide, if we did we would just be lighting up any Muslim country we could find. The whites of today are on a completely different level of those from even 30 years ago, I would say they are a thousand times better than those of 100 years ago. Bin Laden hated the US for a number of reasons including our freedoms, way of life, and that we get involved in Muslim countries. He felt we were attacking the Muslim way of life.

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[paullud]

""why wouldn't they just park a truck full of explosives in front or under the buildings instead"" it already has been done . but they didnt get the reactions /results they were looking for .

just like all of the lone gun men . most had hard enough time with everyday life but were good enough to plan to get close enough to take their shots .

Yes but remember truthers are claiming the buildings were brought down by explosives planted in the buildings. So you are now saying the buildings could not have been brought down by explosives.

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[clcooper]

Yes but remember truthers are claiming the buildings were brought down by explosives planted in the buildings. So you are now saying the buildings could not have been brought down by explosives.

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""why wouldn't they just park a truck full of explosives in front or under the buildings instead"" and i said IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE .but they didnt get the reactions /results they were looking for .

‪Dunes hotel & sign demolished‬‏ - YouTube

‪Second Tallest Building ever imploded‬‏ - YouTube

‪Aladdin Hotel Implosion‬‏ - YouTube

‪Controlled demolition of building in Buffalo‬‏ - YouTube

‪Las Vegas Hotel Implosions Top 10‬‏ - YouTube

‪Only Aired Once About PENTAGON !!!‬‏ - YouTube

 

[tbubster]

all of the years the red sox never won the world series and that year they did .



Red sox are from BOSTON not NEW YORK,that would be the YANKEES.If this were really a big government cover up and "CONSPIRACY" That now involves Major league baseball.would it not have made more sence that the YANKEES would have won the world series that year?I mean that is where the twin towers were at right?Or is the government tring to Get people to belive they were in boston?

Im the one who asked if the tin foil hats really work and still waiting for a answer.

 

[paullud]

""why wouldn't they just park a truck full of explosives in front or under the buildings instead"" and i said IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE .but they didnt get the reactions /results they were looking for .

‪Dunes hotel & sign demolished‬‏ - YouTube

‪Second Tallest Building ever imploded‬‏ - YouTube

‪Aladdin Hotel Implosion‬‏ - YouTube

‪Controlled demolition of building in Buffalo‬‏ - YouTube

‪Las Vegas Hotel Implosions Top 10‬‏ - YouTube

‪Only Aired Once About PENTAGON !!!‬‏ - YouTube

Thanks for posting all those videos that prove the towers were not taken down by explosives. If you watch the videos you can clearly see and hear the explosions. I am hoping you heard in the first video that they clearly stated they were using aviation fuel in the building demolition. All of the videos you posted you can see and hear several explosions then the building starts to come down starting at the bottom where the explosions took place. In this video you can clearly see the building starts to come down closer to the top where the plane hit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFz9TZUyIZk&feature=youtube_gdata_player There is not a single video of any explosions where they can be seen or even heard, when they set off the explosives a deaf person can even tell because of the concussion. The towers fell the way they did because the structure was weakened then weight and gravity did the rest, it is the same principle that brings down buildings in a demolition but when you compare the videos there is a very clear difference. As far as the last video a reporter says he doesn't see any plane debris and this is something truthers have a death grip on despite the fact that there is many more reports and evidence that there was plane debris. They describe the video as "Only Aired Once" to make it seem like there is a government cover up, the interesting thing is they creatively edited the video to make it sound like the reporter was saying there was no plane, watch this video with the lead in and it tells a completely different story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFz7gLz7CVk&feature=youtube_gdata_player You can now see the guy is saying there wasn't much there to prove that the plane crashed before it hit the Pentagon like the eye witness claimed other than some small pieces. I hope this proves to you that you have fallen for more than one piece of their phony evidence.

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[witness23]

132 replies and 1058 views, seriously? Exactly the reason why tabloids are still hot sellers at the check out counter.

 

[witness23]

 

[Turtle]

Red sox are from BOSTON not NEW YORK,that would be the YANKEES.If this were really a big government cover up and "CONSPIRACY" That now involves Major league baseball.would it not have made more sence that the YANKEES would have won the world series that year?I mean that is where the twin towers were at right?Or is the government tring to Get people to belive they were in boston?

There is an age-old rivalry between the Red Sox and the Yankees. Each one wants to beat the other, and have often gone to extremes to do so. It all goes back to the off-season of 1919-1920 when the Red Sox sold Babe "The Bambino" Ruth to the Yankees. Prior to that season, the Red Sox were one of the most successful baseball clubs, winning the very first World Series in 1903, and amassing five World Series titles in the intervening years. But when The Bambino was sold to the Yankees, he put a curse on the Red Sox so they would not win another World Series. And for 86 years they did not.

See, here's where it gets interesting (he said in his best conspiracy theory voice). American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower of the WTC in New York. A few minutes later United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower of the WTC, also in New York. New York and its citizens were reeling, devastated, broken. Both of those flights departed from Logan International Airport which is located in... ta-da! Boston, Massachusetts, the home of Red Sox Nation.

The flight that left Washington D.C. which crashed into the Pentagon, and the flight that left Newark which crashed in rural Pennsylvania, those were just diversions to throw off the investigators from the real reasons behind the attacks, which was to demoralize New York City and the Yankees so the Boston Red Sox could swoop in and, finally, break the Curse of the Bambino and win a World Series.

Unfortunately, the extreme measures did not work, the Red Sox failed to even get into the World Series, and the upstart Arizona Diamondbacks were the ones positioned to beat the demoralized city and its baseball team in the Series that year. It wasn't until three years later, when the Red Sox finally realized that hard work and good baseball is what matters, where they won their first World Series in 86 years.

Im the one who asked if the tin foil hats really work and still waiting for a answer.

Of course tin foil works. Wrap your cell phone in tin foil and see how good a signal you get.

 

[tbubster]

There is an age-old rivalry between the Red Sox and the Yankees. Each one wants to beat the other, and have often gone to extremes to do so. It all goes back to the off-season of 1919-1920 when the Red Sox sold Babe "The Bambino" Ruth to the Yankees. Prior to that season, the Red Sox were one of the most successful baseball clubs, winning the very first World Series in 1903, and amassing five World Series titles in the intervening years. But when The Bambino was sold to the Yankees, he put a curse on the Red Sox so they would not win another World Series. And for 86 years they did not.

See, here's where it gets interesting (he said in his best conspiracy theory voice). American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower of the WTC in New York. A few minutes later United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower of the WTC, also in New York. New York and its citizens were reeling, devastated, broken. Both of those flights departed from Logan International Airport which is located in... ta-da! Boston, Massachusetts, the home of Red Sox Nation.

The flight that left Washington D.C. which crashed into the Pentagon, and the flight that left Newark which crashed in rural Pennsylvania, those were just diversions to throw off the investigators from the real reasons behind the attacks, which was to demoralize New York City and the Yankees so the Boston Red Sox could swoop in and, finally, break the Curse of the Bambino and win a World Series.

Unfortunately, the extreme measures did not work, the Red Sox failed to even get into the World Series, and the upstart Arizona Diamondbacks were the ones positioned to beat the demoralized city and its baseball team in the Series that year. It wasn't until three years later, when the Red Sox finally realized that hard work and good baseball is what matters, where they won their first World Series in 86 years.

Of course tin foil works. Wrap your cell phone in tin foil and see how good a signal you get.

@004 was a great year for boston sports fans but so was 2001.See thats when the pats won the super bowl.well for that season anyway.That season drew bledsoe got hurt and they put this kid name Brady in.See no one really put any faith in Brady befor least of all MICHIGAN state fans.But the PATRIOTS well they belived.Im thinking this is what he ment its just the whole conspiracy crap would be better played out if they got there facts striaght.

Kinda wish you would not have shown the facts about the 2001 WSC.would have been funny to see how long the "FACTS" kept up.I will never forget the 2004 season,more over the playoffs.I grew up in maine the closest thing we had to Major league sports was boston.MY granddad used to take me and my brothers to fenway park for at least three games a year.in my adult life have been to a few parks nothing compares to sitting on the green monster.I yelled so much the night they wo the series Could not talk the next day.Also cried that night.Many players turned into heros through out the playoffs and the series to the RED sox nation.PAPELBON&SCHILLING most of all, Bloody sock and all or was that ketchup?

 

[clcooper]

I have done it numerous times before, they would look similar because it is the same scientific principles that brings buildings down.

I explained how I figured out they were French and I was asking you why does it matter if they are French because you keep asking how I know. I am saying their nationality has no bearing on what they caught on film so why do you keep asking me how I know where they are from.



Why would they make fake death certificates for real dead people? Just another odd statement I guess. No I clearly did not know everybody that died, how many people have you found that they said were dead really are living another life somewhere or the people never really existed?



Again just odd and I don't know what you are saying.



I am aware of what the US government has done to people in the past but we no longer practice genocide, if we did we would just be lighting up any Muslim country we could find. The whites of today are on a completely different level of those from even 30 years ago, I would say they are a thousand times better than those of 100 years ago. Bin Laden hated the US for a number of reasons including our freedoms, way of life, and that we get involved in Muslim countries. He felt we were attacking the Muslim way of life.

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how do you cut a tree down and get it to go the way you want it to go ?? why dont they just cut stright throgh the tree ???
things will fall to the side of least resetice .

i ask you were you there ??
it rained everyday at my place this week .now prove my right or wrong ???

Bin Laden hated the US .because the US government lied to him . there was a deal made and the US government backed out of it . after bin laden did his share of the deal .bin laden was schooled in the USA .

so the government is 1000 times better today then 100 years ago . people are still haveing there homes stolen from them today .

all of the events like ww1, ww2, 9/11, etc . only took a few minties to plan and do ??
do you plan out which route you are going to take to get to your drop off . or do you just put it in drive and just go . how do you reach a goal . does it take steps to reach it . like i need to do this for this to happen .

are you sure that the white man is 1000 times better today . ???