Pilot Rewards Card and DOT Inspections

Brisco

Expert Expediter
Very very interesting article here:

http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/2010/Dec10/122710/122910-04.shtml

Iowa Police Comparing Logbooks Against Pilot Rewards Cards?

By Reed Black, Land Line Now staff reporter

Do you know how many showers you have left on your Rewards Card? If not, just ask any Iowa state patrolman.

If you’re not following this so far, here’s the deal. OOIDA Member Bill Farrell owns a small trucking company in Montana. Recently, one of his drivers was pulled over for an inspection in Iowa.

The driver didn’t have paperwork – like fuel receipts – to support his logbook, because he’d mailed everything back to Montana. So the patrolman asked him for his Pilot Rewards Card, which the officer proceeded to scan into a computer.

Farrell says he’s never heard of that being part of an inspection and found it offensive.

“He did a level three and my guy was legal. … When he got all through, he told the driver ‘well, it doesn’t look like you have any points left on your card, but you’ve got four showers.’”

Farrell wants to know if any time you get stopped by a highway patrolman, they can ask how many showers are left.

“My feelings are that it’s private,” Farrell told Land Line Now.

“Just because they see it shouldn’t mean that they should have access. I told Pilot Corp. if that’s the way they’re going to be, we may have to stop using their Rewards Card.”

Courtney Greene, a spokeswoman for the Iowa State Patrol, confirms that officers are checking Rewards Cards to verify logs. She claims the courts have upheld the practice. The patrol rejected a request for an interview on the Rewards Card issue.

OOIDA Executive Vice President Todd Spencer was more than willing to talk about it, however, and says the practice, whether legal or not, marks a sad turning point.

“When I heard about this I was astounded,” said Spencer, “simply because it appears to be going above and beyond what would be normal and customary. I’m kind of from the old school of trucks and highways and highway safety.

“I’ve known lots of enforcement people who have been in the business for decades. One of the most troubling aspects that I see with this aggressive level of enforcement is basically it’s all a matter of playing ‘gotcha.’ And any camaraderie or friendship, those things that used to be commonplace between professional drivers and the enforcement community, those days are long, long gone.”

Spencer says from the standpoint of the enforcement officer working a lonely stretch of road – maybe in the middle of Timbuktu, the middle of nowhere – for decades the best friend that enforcement officer could have would be a truck driver.

“If something bad happened, you could always count on a truck driver to stop and lend a hand and to kind of look out for each other. With this level of enforcement, this focused enforcement, it’s all about ‘gotcha’ and whether or not it has any meaning, any impact on highway safety, it’s the kind of stuff that’s sort of discouraging.”

Copyright © 2010 OOIDA



Thought some of you guys here might want to know about this.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Very very interesting article here:

http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/2010/Dec10/122710/122910-04.shtml

Iowa Police Comparing Logbooks Against Pilot Rewards Cards?

By Reed Black, Land Line Now staff reporter

Do you know how many showers you have left on your Rewards Card? If not, just ask any Iowa state patrolman.

If you’re not following this so far, here’s the deal. OOIDA Member Bill Farrell owns a small trucking company in Montana. Recently, one of his drivers was pulled over for an inspection in Iowa.

The driver didn’t have paperwork – like fuel receipts – to support his logbook, because he’d mailed everything back to Montana. So the patrolman asked him for his Pilot Rewards Card, which the officer proceeded to scan into a computer.

Farrell says he’s never heard of that being part of an inspection and found it offensive.

“He did a level three and my guy was legal. … When he got all through, he told the driver ‘well, it doesn’t look like you have any points left on your card, but you’ve got four showers.’”

Farrell wants to know if any time you get stopped by a highway patrolman, they can ask how many showers are left.

“My feelings are that it’s private,” Farrell told Land Line Now.

“Just because they see it shouldn’t mean that they should have access. I told Pilot Corp. if that’s the way they’re going to be, we may have to stop using their Rewards Card.”

Courtney Greene, a spokeswoman for the Iowa State Patrol, confirms that officers are checking Rewards Cards to verify logs. She claims the courts have upheld the practice. The patrol rejected a request for an interview on the Rewards Card issue.

OOIDA Executive Vice President Todd Spencer was more than willing to talk about it, however, and says the practice, whether legal or not, marks a sad turning point.

“When I heard about this I was astounded,” said Spencer, “simply because it appears to be going above and beyond what would be normal and customary. I’m kind of from the old school of trucks and highways and highway safety.

“I’ve known lots of enforcement people who have been in the business for decades. One of the most troubling aspects that I see with this aggressive level of enforcement is basically it’s all a matter of playing ‘gotcha.’ And any camaraderie or friendship, those things that used to be commonplace between professional drivers and the enforcement community, those days are long, long gone.”

Spencer says from the standpoint of the enforcement officer working a lonely stretch of road – maybe in the middle of Timbuktu, the middle of nowhere – for decades the best friend that enforcement officer could have would be a truck driver.

“If something bad happened, you could always count on a truck driver to stop and lend a hand and to kind of look out for each other. With this level of enforcement, this focused enforcement, it’s all about ‘gotcha’ and whether or not it has any meaning, any impact on highway safety, it’s the kind of stuff that’s sort of discouraging.”

Copyright © 2010 OOIDA



Thought some of you guys here might want to know about this.

Maybe the cops want to take showers with truck drivers now,,its a weird world now,,,lol, just kidding:D
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
OK, here's what ya do. Use the TA UltraONE card, but leave the very unused Pilot reward card very visible. When the officer asks for the Pilot card, gladly hand it over. :D
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
We don't have to worry about this. We now have an "electric nanny" that tracks our every move. Gotta love it!! :(:mad:
 

Scuba

Veteran Expediter
I would just refuse to hand it over they get dl ins cards health card reg bols and log books period
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
I would just refuse to hand it over they get dl ins cards health card reg bols and log books period
That's what had me baffled, too. Why give him that? What possible reason would you have for giving it to him just because he wants it?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well I wouldn't hand the card over but I would hand him the receipts. No excuse on the driver's part, they can print off duplicates and that is what I do, print two copies off and one if for the accountant and the other for me.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Can anyone quote me the reg that states you have to have receipts for anything? Just curious!

Evidence to back up your claim. Say I said I was in the sleeper for that 11 hours before my run and marked it in the sleeper but really got out of the sleeper to get something to eat, watch some TV and I also had receipts that showed me in the restaurant at the same time that I marked me being in the sleeper and say that the inspector saw those receipts. It is proof I violated the sleeper rule and falsified my log. Fueling is the same thing, if I said I fueled at 1200 but actually fueled at 1315, and the receipts proved the correct time, then that is a falsifying the log.

The burden is on me, the driver to prove that the log is correct and legal.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
Just wondering,
But how did Officer acess the card info. Do you not need some sort of scanner or card reader that is specific to the card? Software that acesses the pilot cash registers?
Can someone just call he Pilot fuel desk and ask?
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
Evidence to back up your claim. Say I said I was in the sleeper for that 11 hours before my run and marked it in the sleeper but really got out of the sleeper to get something to eat, watch some TV and I also had receipts that showed me in the restaurant at the same time that I marked me being in the sleeper and say that the inspector saw those receipts. It is proof I violated the sleeper rule and falsified my log. Fueling is the same thing, if I said I fueled at 1200 but actually fueled at 1315, and the receipts proved the correct time, then that is a falsifying the log. .

Ubet !
and that's why LOS statement couple posts above in invalid .
Elogs still required drivers input ,and will never truly document what have took place .
paper logs can never match electronic enforcement .
that's why there is not even ONE logbook out there that is 100% correct .
(there are many that get's really close ,and many that claimed to be correct ,with no real way to verified it.)

i always carry as mach supporting documents as i can inside the logbook binder .
if all possible i get a copy of a receipt ,better with a time stamp .
if the officer have 7 receipt supporting my correct logbook ,he will not ask for electronic enforcement ,or will have to come up with a really good rezone ,why he is questioning my logbook report .

if you ask me ,i think the above story might be no more then CB noise . just like those story's on speeding tickets or logbooks tickets ,being issue by scanning the pre pass device .
not happening in the real world .
HNY ya'll.
 

bluejaybee

Veteran Expediter
Evidence to back up your claim. Say I said I was in the sleeper for that 11 hours before my run and marked it in the sleeper but really got out of the sleeper to get something to eat, watch some TV and I also had receipts that showed me in the restaurant at the same time that I marked me being in the sleeper and say that the inspector saw those receipts. It is proof I violated the sleeper rule and falsified my log. Fueling is the same thing, if I said I fueled at 1200 but actually fueled at 1315, and the receipts proved the correct time, then that is a falsifying the log.

The burden is on me, the driver to prove that the log is correct and legal.

I understand what you are saying, but someone stated above that if you use a motel instead of sleeper, you have to have a receipt. What is the regulation that states that? Or states that you have to have a receipt for anything.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
if you ask me ,i think the above story might be no more then CB noise . just like those story's on speeding tickets or logbooks tickets ,being issue by scanning the pre pass device .
not happening in the real world .
HNY ya'll.

Moose you need to read again. From the first article posted...

"Courtney Greene, a spokeswoman for the Iowa State Patrol, confirms that officers are checking Rewards Cards to verify logs. She claims the courts have upheld the practice. The patrol rejected a request for an interview on the Rewards Card issue."
 

bluejaybee

Veteran Expediter
Just wondering,
But how did Officer acess the card info. Do you not need some sort of scanner or card reader that is specific to the card? Software that acesses the pilot cash registers?
Can someone just call he Pilot fuel desk and ask?

Take your card and go to Pilot.com and enter the card number. You can see your shower balance, point credit, receipt info. All the officer needs is internet access and your card. Too easy!
 

HHDLLC

Seasoned Expediter
Evidence to back up your claim. Say I said I was in the sleeper for that 11 hours before my run and marked it in the sleeper but really got out of the sleeper to get something to eat, watch some TV and I also had receipts that showed me in the restaurant at the same time that I marked me being in the sleeper and say that the inspector saw those receipts. It is proof I violated the sleeper rule and falsified my log. Fueling is the same thing, if I said I fueled at 1200 but actually fueled at 1315, and the receipts proved the correct time, then that is a falsifying the log.

The burden is on me, the driver to prove that the log is correct and legal.

Wrong you have no burden of proof. They must prove you logs are wrong. A DOT audit is something else. In an office enviroment the DOT can ask a carrier for supporting documents, toll receipts, fuel purchases, ect. Anything you give them voluntary can and will be used against you. Give them your drivers license, medical card, log book, registration, and insurance info, nothing else. At that point you don't need to even talk any further.
 

bobwg

Expert Expediter
Just wondering,
But how did Officer acess the card info. Do you not need some sort of scanner or card reader that is specific to the card? Software that acesses the pilot cash registers?
Can someone just call he Pilot fuel desk and ask?

Most updated computer systems in the police/highway patrol cars have a scanner/card reader so they can slide your drivers license (look on the back of your license it has a magnetic strip like a credit card or bar code) and instantly pull up your information on the computer screen and now they just enter what ever ticket information the officer is going to give you like speeding and then the officer can just hit the print button and out comes your ticket and by the way in some cases a copy is automatically sent via internet to the court house
 
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cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Wrong you have no burden of proof. They must prove you logs are wrong. A DOT audit is something else. In an office enviroment the DOT can ask a carrier for supporting documents, toll receipts, fuel purchases, ect. Anything you give them voluntary can and will be used against you. Give them your drivers license, medical card, log book, registration, and insurance info, nothing else. At that point you don't need to even talk any further.

With the addition of a BOL to documentation required, I agree.
If checking your rewards card is ok, what's next? Your debit & credit cards, [in case you made a withdrawal while logged in the sleeper]? Your cell phone, to make sure no texts were sent while logged as driving?
This goes far beyond any reasonable check, just like Minnesota's 'fatigue indicators' did. :mad:
 

Desperado

Seasoned Expediter
but remember when they started fight against terrorism didn't they change some laws to allow law enforcement to check things
 
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