Phil Robertson - Duck Dynasty

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Yes, exactly an unfavorable opinion of him being "brainwashed" or not capable of having his own thoughts.
So, if you have an unfavorable opinion of someone, it's prejudice. Even when it's not? Okayeee.

Saying he isn't capable of free thought on a topic simply based on his religion?
If the thought is based on anything specific, including his religion, then it's not free thought, it's restricted thought, especially if the conclusions only allow acceptable solutions stemming from that base of thought. In this case his "free thought" didn't waver one iota from the established position of his religion.

I'd call that prejudice and hatred.
I do love a good irony.
 

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Have you ever been on the opposing end of the opinion of the thought police of the gay agenda? Or any liberal agenda, for that matter? You won't be considered a free thinker either... just a nazi.
That's the hallmark of a liberal, where they are all about freedom of speech, expression and thought, right up to the point where yours disagrees with theirs.
 

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Ole phil s closet is full of skeletons..I read Willies book...ole Phil was NOT a nice person for years...never seemed like he even liked them boys when they were younger...

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paullud

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So, if you have an unfavorable opinion of someone, it's prejudice. Even when it's not? Okayeee.

If the thought is based on anything specific, including his religion, then it's not free thought, it's restricted thought, especially if the conclusions only allow acceptable solutions stemming from that base of thought. In this case his "free thought" didn't waver one iota from the established position of his religion.

I do love a good irony.

Yes it is prejudice to decide that he isn't doing his own thinking. With any faith you have the ability to process and make decisions on what you hear, especially on things like homosexuality.

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They don't live in the "backwoods" of anything. They live just outside of West Monroe, LA. Right around the corner from where my wife's aunt lives. Rural, hardly "backwoods".
 

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They don't live in the "backwoods" of anything. They live just outside of West Monroe, LA. Right around the corner from where my wife's aunt lives. Rural, hardly "backwoods".

Hmmmm..his house is on the Quachita river (that's backwoods if I have ever seen it!!..)..its 20+ miles from W Monroe ..was there (the shop) the other day..and I bet ole Phil would own the term backwoods
Stopped for lunch ...but was closed..

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Hmmmm..his house is on the Quachita river (that's backwoods if I have ever seen it!!..)..its 20+ miles from W Monroe ..was there (the shop) the other day..and I bet ole Phil would own the term backwoods
Stopped for lunch ...but was closed..

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I know exactly where it is. Not backwoods by my standards. Maybe to a city slicker it is. :p There are PAVED ROADS! :cool: Less than a mile from my wife's aunt's house.

I hunted and fished that river with her Uncle Buck when he was alive and with her uncle Alvin. Caught a lot of "specs" and got a few wood ducks. Missed a ton.

I DID hunt the real back woods for deer with her Uncle Tommy. His camp was 12 miles off the nearest hard top road. Two track all the way in. No electricity. No running water. Nuthin but live oak and pine.
 

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Yes it is prejudice to decide that he isn't doing his own thinking.
No, it's prejudice to decide, beforehand, that he WON'T do his own thinking. After he speaks, to then conclude that he isn't doing his own thinking, based on his words and actions, is not prejudice, it's fairness. Prejudice means to PRE JUDGE. If you judge them after the fact, it's not pre judging them.

With any faith you have the ability to process and make decisions on what you hear, especially on things like homosexuality.
Yes, but when you demonstrate the inability or unwillingness to deviate from the already established position, and you do so in statements of absolutely, it's a clear indication of restricted thinking, of failing or refusing to consider other viewpoints, an indication of a closed mind not open to alternatives.
 

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I know exactly where it is. Not backwoods by my standards. Maybe to a city slicker it is. :p There are PAVED ROADS! :cool: Less than a mile from my wife's aunt's house.

I hunted and fished that river with her Uncle Buck when he was alive and with her uncle Alvin. Caught a lot of "specs" and got a few wood ducks. Missed a ton.

I DID hunt the real back woods for deer with her Uncle Tommy. His camp was 12 miles off the nearest hard top road. Two track all the way in. No electricity. No running water. Nuthin but live oak and pine.

Good for you...but..
In willies book he says its so far out he would stay in w.Monroe during the week when he was in high school..hmmmmm..no city slicker here.
What's wrong with the term backwoods anyway????

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Good for you...but..
In willies book he says its so far out he would stay in w.Monroe during the week when he was in high school..hmmmmm..no city slicker here.
What's wrong with the term backwoods anyway????

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It was backwoods when he was in high school. Not any longer. That was not out of the ordinary back then. There were no school buses. Few had cars. That was then, this is now. That area was "tamed" decades ago. Too bad too.

My wife's grandparents were share croppers out near where their place is. They moved there from MS in the 1920's where they were share croppers. Neither went to school.

Nothing wrong, just not correct. To many it does have negative meaning.

Yeah, you must be a city slicker. :p
 

paullud

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No, it's prejudice to decide, beforehand, that he WON'T do his own thinking. After he speaks, to then conclude that he isn't doing his own thinking, based on his words and actions, is not prejudice, it's fairness. Prejudice means to PRE JUDGE. If you judge them after the fact, it's not pre judging them.

Yes, but when you demonstrate the inability or unwillingness to deviate from the already established position, and you do so in statements of absolutely, it's a clear indication of restricted thinking, of failing or refusing to consider other viewpoints, an indication of a closed mind not open to alternatives.

You're assuming that they aren't his own thoughts and feelings because his view matches that of SOME stereotypical Christian's views. We know without a doubt that he was not always the Christian seen today so to judge his views based solely on one part of his life is prejudice.

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Liar liar pants on fire...that rant TMZ published was full of hatred...jeeezz

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You're assuming that they aren't his own thoughts and feelings because his view matches that of SOME stereotypical Christian's views.
Correct.

We know without a doubt that he was not always the Christian seen today so to judge his views based solely on one part of his life is prejudice.
Incorrect. His views are being judged on what he himself says they are.
 

paullud

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Incorrect. His views are being judged on what he himself says they are.

But judging why or how he has come to those conclusions is, saying it was not free thinking is.

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While he may be "Suspended" from a "Show" that A&E has a right to suspend him from...........I can almost guarantee people that Phil Robertson and "Duck Dynasty" will still be a Huge Ratings Monster of a Show whether it's on A&E or not............

Groups start petitions demanding A&E reinstate Phil Robertson on 'Duck Dynasty' | Fox News

"Polls" all over the Country have also been leaning in the 90% range of People that Support Phil Robertson..........whether they agree with his Personal Opinions or not............

A&E may be shooting themselves in the foot over this whole ordeal in their quest to being "Politically Correct" towards an issue that maybe 10-20% of America agree with............

My Opinion..............A&E needs to get ahold of Chuck Lorre over at 2 1/2 Men and ask what happens when you screw with a #1 Rated Show in America because you believe your "Beliefs" is what the "Viewing Public" actually want................Know what I mean.
 

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But judging why or how he has come to those conclusions is, saying it was not free thinking is.
The SOP for Bible thumpers is close-mindedness: they believe what they believe, end of discussion, you can't change their mind, because they're right, the Bible tells them so, and they aren't receptive to new or contradicting ideas and positions. They have no need for free thinking, because the Bible tells them what to think. Plus, one doesn't need to judge or assume how he came to those conclusions - he tells you right there in his own words.

His comments are right out of the Christian Right Bible Thumper Playbook, which indicates zero free thinking. And if there's any doubt, his own words, where he badly quotes Corinthians, cement that fact. No original thought whatsoever. It's one hundred percent straight down the party line.: "Don't be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers, they won't inherit the kingdom of God. ... Don't deceive yourself. It's not right."
 

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"Polls" all over the Country have also been leaning in the 90% range of People that Support Phil Robertson..........whether they agree with his Personal Opinions or not............

Interesting. What is your source?


My Opinion..............A&E needs to get ahold of Chuck Lorre over at 2 1/2 Men and ask what happens when you screw with a #1 Rated Show in America because you believe your "Beliefs" is what the "Viewing Public" actually want................Know what I mean.


Moot point. The re-runs are in syndication. That's where the money is...
 
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