NJ Gov Christie to be probed.

layoutshooter · Jan 16, 2014

Tennesseahawk said:
What did people/states do BEFORE the feds started nursing them?

Something about putting away for a rainy day.

There was a time when the feds were not extracting the amount of taxes that they are now. That leaves less available for the States. If the feds would crawl back into the hole they crawled out of, left the states to manage themselves without unfunded mandates and economy crushing regulations they very well COULD afford to handle it themselves.

Tennesseahawk · Jan 16, 2014

layoutshooter said:
There was a time when the feds were not extracting the amount of taxes that they are now. That leaves less available for the States. If the feds would crawl back into the hole they crawled out of, left the states to manage themselves without unfunded mandates and economy crushing regulations they very well COULD afford to handle it themselves.

Grover Cleveland would not sign a bill he believed the Constitution did not give him authority to sign.

layoutshooter · Jan 16, 2014

Tennesseahawk said:
Grover Cleveland would not sign a bill he believed the Constitution did not give him authority to sign.

A rare bird in that office. This one does everything he can to trash the Constitution.

davekc · Jan 16, 2014

Tennesseahawk said:
What did people/states do BEFORE the feds started nursing them?

Something about putting away for a rainy day.

I think that thinking would have applied many years ago. AKA "Little House on the Prairie".

With todays infrastructure, I don't think individuals have the ability to rebuild electrical grids, sanitation, and a whole list of other items.

layoutshooter · Jan 16, 2014

davekc said:
I think that thinking would have applied many years ago. AKA "Little House on the Prairie".
With todays infrastructure, I don't think individuals have the ability to rebuild electrical grids, sanitation, and a whole list of other items.

A GOOD start would be to find a way to do away with the electrical girds.

davekc · Jan 16, 2014

layoutshooter said:
A GOOD start would be to find a way to do away with the electrical girds.

I like that. I meant "grids".

layoutshooter · Jan 16, 2014

davekc said:
I like that. I meant "grids".

Looks like I had ANOTHER classic "finger fumble"!

zorry · Jan 16, 2014

Wow. I thought maybe you wanted to get rid of GRITS.

Your neighbors would ship you back up north, LOL.

Ragman · Jan 16, 2014

layoutshooter said:
Looks like I had ANOTHER classic "finger fumble"!

layoutshooter · Jan 16, 2014

Knotty games?

cheri1122 · Jan 18, 2014

Tennesseahawk said:
What did people/states do BEFORE the feds started nursing them?

Something about putting away for a rainy day.

One thing they didn't do was spend money and forego taxes to 'entice' businesses to their area with giveaway programs. ['Enterprise zones'] And when a corporation lets it be known they are considering a move, states compete [against each other!] to see who can offer the most attractive bribe - that's not cheap. There's a LOT of taxpayer funds going to businesses, and we have no idea what the ROI really is, do we?

cheri1122 · Jan 18, 2014

muttly said:
Its ok for him to be emotional. That is not what I was referring to. He was over the top snippy with the mere question of a presidential candidate surveying the disaster area with him. He could have handled it more politely and discreetly instead of making an emotional 'speech' about it. Again the MSM(cheerleaders for Obama) took that dust up and played it over and over again. To many tea party and conservatives, Christie is persona non grata for at the very least acting like a political dimwit ,throwing Romney under the bus publicly, and reckiing any chance to oust the worst president this country has ever seen.

"Polite" and "discrete" are not Christie's style, and never have been - that's a lot of what we like about him. He's who he is, not who the PR and makeup and scriptwriters created for the cameras.
If the Repubs believe Christie could have ousted Obama, they're even more deluded than I thought. No governor has that kind of juice, all by himself. And BTW, just before Sandy hit, Christie was out campaigning for Romney - no gratitude, lol.

LDB · Jan 18, 2014

We repeatedly are hearing the Schulz/Maddow line that businesses are being buried in money to bribe them to bring their businesses to town. Tax abatements and deferrals are not at all the same as throwing open the vault and pushing taxpayer money into their limos. Taxpayer money is not going to the businesses. The businesses are not paying taxes, for a period of time, and then they are. Definitely an advantage for the business but not a lot of taxpayer money going to the business. The taxes the business doesn't pay are offset by the taxes the employees pay and the new jobs created. Those employees also buy groceries, utilities and many other things that pay into the economy. It may or may not completely offset but it isn't the train wreck Air America suggests.

muttly · Jan 18, 2014

cheri1122 said:
"Polite" and "discrete" are not Christie's style, and never have been - that's a lot of what we like about him. He's who he is, not who the PR and makeup and scriptwriters created for the cameras.
If the Repubs believe Christie could have ousted Obama, they're even more deluded than I thought. No governor has that kind of juice, all by himself. And BTW, just before Sandy hit, Christie was out campaigning for Romney - no gratitude, lol.

Christie is more of a politician than you think.The dimwit act he pulled on Romney won't be forgotten. He is not popular with most conservatives and the tea party because he ISN'T really a conservative. He is who he isn't.

LDB · Jan 19, 2014

Christie = McCain = RINO

skyraider · Jan 19, 2014

Ragman said:
Hey now, Even I have standards. Not many, but I do have them.

I thought he had got caught by one of those wild eyed airline security checkers..lol

Tennesseahawk · Jan 19, 2014

cheri1122 said:
One thing they didn't do was spend money and forego taxes to 'entice' businesses to their area with giveaway programs. ['Enterprise zones'] And when a corporation lets it be known they are considering a move, states compete [against each other!] to see who can offer the most attractive bribe - that's not cheap. There's a LOT of taxpayer funds going to businesses, and we have no idea what the ROI really is, do we?

But that doesn't answer my question. What states did before the feds started taking care of them (by stealing tax money the states would otherwise raise for themselves) was that they were forced to take care of their own problems. Granted, this was 1800s I'm talking about, but it's not inconceivable to believe they could do it again, should (shudder the thought) the federal government lose face in the global market they helped create, and our currency takes a flying leap off the Empire State Building. It will then be up to local and state governments to find a way to take care of their own, once again.

Yesteryear · Jan 19, 2014

aristotle said:
Sorry, I don't know what you mean. America loves Christie? This is news.

Never cared for him before but have to say the recent "scandals" have made me think better of him. I would never have voted for Christie before bridge gate but would now. At least he took action and held the appropriate one (s) responsible unlike the Obama administration!

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