greg334
Veteran Expediter
Who knows?
This site represents .00012% of the industry population so I would expect a number of key members doing so but that's about it.
New HOS Rules are out
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Who knows?
This site represents .00012% of the industry population so I would expect a number of key members doing so but that's about it.
I know we are just a small number in the big picture..I was just wondering of the negative posts did those few even write in a comment?
Its kind of representive of the way of politics...the people do not participate when they should...
greg334
Veteran Expediter
All true, but see here is the thing, many will b*tch when it comes to something even though they don't get that there is no freedom in this industry. They all feel it is unfair that the rules, which are made for everyone, are applied to their way of doing things.
Sleep Apnea is being revived
EOBR's will be looked at again as many have posted it will be business as usual even with the new rules. We are our own worst enemy....
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They did a better job of reacting to the courts and the politically powerful special interest groups operating behind the scenes; pressures that will continue to be exerted and keep the rules in play.
Having been fiercly and professionally active in politics for 10 years, including interacting personally with county and state judges, state and federal legislators, state commissioners (cabinet positions), lobbyists, mid level department heads and the people who actually put pen to paper to draft proposed rules and legislation, I can tell you for a fact that far more goes on behind the scenes when rules like these are in play than goes on in public; and the private pressures often trump the public input.
To fully understand the FMCSA's intent and actions, disregard the agency's public statements. Look at the the professional political operators (as they call themselves when mingling with peers) who injected themselves into the rule making process, and gauge the political clout and agendas of their clients.
There is smoke and there is fire. What went on in public was smoke. The fire burns behind the scenes when rules like these are in play.
guido4475
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Not to worry, LaHood will be after you guys soon!LOL!!
Yes, you are absolutely correct, if some Idiots keep running their vans way over their capacity,or keep on pushing themselves so hard they fall asleep and kill someone.Know youre limits and respect them. we will also, be monitored or under the DOT scope if some van drivers dont clean up their act in many ways.It's already starting in some states for vans. Greed and stupidity will not replace a lost life.It just isn't worth it.
I disagree. Cargo vans have been hauling freight for quite some time and I've not read or heard of even a hint that the Feds are interested in increasing regulation. I would think that if they were concerned, we'd have seen some indication of it a decade or more ago.
What states are doing things that they haven't been doing for many years?
There has been "reports" of more vans, especially the cubers being stopped....but that maybe a spike?...who knows?
Incorrect.
(Non-union) drivers asked for the flexibility to take a nap during the day in a way that would stop their 14 hour clock while they were on break. No driver I know asked to be forced to park his or her truck to take a break in the middle of his or her work day whether a break was needed or not.
Team drivers asked for the return of the 5 on/5 off rule and got nothing.
The got only part of what they asked for. The front seat hours are limited.
A bunch of drivers also asked to keep the 34 hour reset in place as is. They got exactly the opposite. Many people asked the FMCSA to leave the rules alone since safety statistics suggest that the present rules are producing desired results. The FMCSA did anything but.
I dismiss all sleep studies used in the HOS debate as crap. Name a political agenda. I can find you one or more sleep studies that can be used to promote it. Give me a budget and I will commission a true-science, highly reliable, sleep study from an authoritative source to also support the agenda.
Regarding the listening sessions, the FMCSA did a magnificent job in putting on a listening show. Sadly, the final rule bears little resemblance to the input received in those for-show sessions. See my smoke/fire comment above.
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A lot of cubes are supposed to be stopping and keeping a log, so that's understandable. How can they be sure when they see one go by? Yeah, there's a lot of "reports", a lot of speculation, but when you talk about anything from a bonafide source, where is it? This is the third HOS revision in a decade. It would seem like that's when a major change like regulating the tinker toys would occur. ;>)
I did get pulled over in Mi. in Nov...by DOT...on I94 just west of Dexter....I think he was just killing time till the end of his shift...a check of my "papers" and door sticker and apply emergency brake and put it in drive to see if it worked....but I received no paperwork from him?...
guido4475
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I am more than positive there was a thread posted on here not too long ago about Virginia pulling in vans, DOT'ing them, etc.Cubes, are sometimes hard to determine which have to go into scales, and which do not, being the "GVW rating is so spread out.Some yellow Penske vans are under 10,000 gvw, and some are not.And there are a few regular cubes out there that are under 10,000 gvw as well.when I say "Cube", I mean, and am referring to dual rear wheel small box trucks.Spartan body vans,
(single rear wheel vans) are much easier to determine, being easily identified as such by the obvious single rear wheel, which usually have a gvw rating under 10,000 gvw.even though they have a dual rear wheel suspension and axles under them.Basically, most Spartan body vehicles are a cube, with 2 less rear tires, and badged with a lower gvw rating than a true cube.
(single rear wheel vans) are much easier to determine, being easily identified as such by the obvious single rear wheel, which usually have a gvw rating under 10,000 gvw.even though they have a dual rear wheel suspension and axles under them.Basically, most Spartan body vehicles are a cube, with 2 less rear tires, and badged with a lower gvw rating than a true cube.
You have said this before. What do you mean by this exactly?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Maybe he was wondering what a giant pickle mobile is doing in Michigan?
Listening to the call in shows with drivers complaining about EOBR's and stating over and over again that they run illegal.
Listening and watching drivers who want more miles... Everything is about the miles and not about the pay per mile
Listening to why drivers need to be on the phone while driving one big one that hits me is running their business while on the phone. Seems like a big distraction to me.
Most of the arguments that I hear validate why the government needs to regulate us more.