More Americans renouncing U.S.citizenship

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
I can't imagine leaving this country and renouncing US citizenship over money. Outside of family, what is more precious than being an American? Being an American citizen is a unique blessing that too many take for granted. Sure, we have challenges here in the US, but so does every other nation. Most of the world lives in a squalor and tyranny we cannot imagine. We are a nation different from others. The American people built up this nation to a lofty status. We are pretty much without peers on the world stage. Divine Providence nurtured this garden.

By just about any measure, we Americans are richly blessed and lucky to be here. Give silent thanks to your ancestors who crossed oceans on rickety boats to reach these shores. Life is good here.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I also want to know how many U.S. citizens defect because they are harrased by the border agents trying to get home from spendig the day in Niagara Falls Cananda? Gettig into Cananda three simple questions and "enjoy your stay in Cananda." Getting back into the us with all our documents
everything short of a beating with a rubber hose and a strip search.

I've heard about what you're saying, but never experienced it myself. Generally, I try not to be a smartazz to the customs guy, and we're good to go.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I can't imagine leaving this country and renouncing US citizenship over money. Outside of family, what is more precious than being an American? Being an American citizen is a unique blessing that too many take for granted. Sure, we have challenges here in the US, but so does every other nation. Most of the world lives in a squalor and tyranny we cannot imagine. We are a nation different from others. The American people built up this nation to a lofty status. We are pretty much without peers on the world stage. Divine Providence nurtured this garden.

By just about any measure, we Americans are richly blessed and lucky to be here. Give silent thanks to your ancestors who crossed oceans on rickety boats to reach these shores. Life is good here.

I wouldn't do it over money, but I'd damm sure do it over them taking my liberty. I told my wife that if we ever won the lottery, the good ol USofA could kiss our butts goodbye!
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
I wouldn't do it over money, but I'd damm sure do it over them taking my liberty. I told my wife that if we ever won the lottery, the good ol USofA could kiss our butts goodbye!

Confused. You're saying it's not about money, but if you win the lottery, you're leaving? Sounds like it is about money.
 

scottm4211

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Owner/Operator
I can't imagine leaving this country and renouncing US citizenship over money. Outside of family, what is more precious than being an American? Being an American citizen is a unique blessing that too many take for granted. Sure, we have challenges here in the US, but so does every other nation. Most of the world lives in a squalor and tyranny we cannot imagine. We are a nation different from others. The American people built up this nation to a lofty status. We are pretty much without peers on the world stage. Divine Providence nurtured this garden.

By just about any measure, we Americans are richly blessed and lucky to be here. Give silent thanks to your ancestors who crossed oceans on rickety boats to reach these shores. Life is good here.

Well said. I'm not an American, but yes, all in all you've got it pretty good.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Confused. You're saying it's not about money, but if you win the lottery, you're leaving? Sounds like it is about money.

its not about money in TennHawks post, its about lossing the liberty we once had here and having enough money to sustain ones self in another country....thats not about money.

Its about living comfortably without the need to work for the low wages that alot of other countries pay..and alot of other countries will not let a foreign national work for a certain time frame when they 1st get there unless you have a skill that they can fill an important position or a high demand position....

But again, most of the people doing this AT this time, are people that have worked in other countries for American companies and our government is screwing them over with the tax system, especially if they have married a citizen of the country they are working in....
 
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chefdennis

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This is another e-mail i got from the people I get the newsletter from..as i said, the e-mails usally deal with what the newsletter was about r whats coming...this one defines way alot of people are doing this and offers a few place to "Plant Flags"....and at the buttom offers a little insight as to what the newsletters offer:

The
idea of international diversification is a simple one-- if you live, work, hold investments, own property, structure your business, store gold, etc. in the same country as your citizenship, then you truly have all of your eggs in one very fragile basket.
If just one little thing goes wrong, whether it's a court case, divorce settlement, political instability, government agency 'administrative error', or some noxious bureaucrat who's out to get you, all of those aspects of your life can be put at extreme risk.

The idea of 'planting flags', or diversifying internationally, involves spreading these aspects of your life across multiple jurisdictions and territories overseas. Banking in one place. Setting up a brokerage in another. Investing in another. Storing gold in another. Owning property in another.

You can do this with dozens, potentially hundreds of aspects of your life and/or business-- using an offshore email account, obtaining medical treatment overseas, seeking personal companionship abroad, setting up an overseas credit card processor for a web business, initiating an IPO for your company on an overseas exchange, foreign health insurance, etc.

Taking these kinds of steps can make your life much, much easier. Suddenly all of those aspects of your life no longer fall under the jurisdiction of your home government; legions of blood-sucking bureaucrats no longer have access to confiscate your assets and frustrate your life with a few mouse clicks.

Potentially the most important and most powerful aspect of your life to diversify, however, is citizenship. I view this as the ultimate insurance policy-- something that you hope you'll never have to use, but you'll really be glad you have it in case you do.

Having a second citizenship is like having a 'get out of jail free' card. It creates options. No matter what happens in the world, you'll always have a place to go. You'll always have a ticket out. And as I'm fond of saying, nobody ever hijacks an airplane and threatens to kill all the Lithuanians. Second citizenship does bring a greater sense of security.

Obtaining citizenship, however, is elusive for many people. Some people are lucky enough to come from a line of Irish, Polish, or Italian ancestors. For most, though, it takes a combination of three things:

- Money
- Time
- Flexibility

If you're willing to simply pay for it, there are certain countries like St. Kitts and Dominica which offer citizenship to people who are simply willing to pay. Most folks unfortunately can't afford the $250,000+ price tag that's required, so that leaves the other two.

Just about every country is willing to eventually naturalize permanent residents who reside in the country for a particular amount of time. It varies greatly from place to place. This past weekend, I learned from a subscriber who came down to Chile that, in Japan, it takes two decades of continuous residence.

Other places, like Belgium, offer naturalization after as little as three years, possibly two in extreme circumstances. This is a much easier option for most people, especially for such a valuable passport.

Then there's the ability to obtain citizenship through what I call 'flexibility'. This may include something like getting married to a local, which in many countries can provide an extremely rapid path to naturalization.

As an example, I'd like to outline a few options below of high quality passports that anyone can obtain with either time and/or flexibility:

1) SINGAPORE. Easily the most valuable travel document on the planet, a Singaporean can travel almost anywhere without a visa, including to the US and Europe. It takes two years of residence after obtaining permanent residency to qualify for naturalization. And obtaining permanent residence is a snap-- you can simply set up a local company to qualify.

Pitfalls: Singapore does have mandatory national service, and it's important to review the rules to find out whether you would fall within the window.

2) BRAZIL. There are two great things about Brazil. One, they refuse to extradite their citizens to answer for foreign crimes. It just doesn't happen. Two, ANYONE can be Brazilian, whatever their ethnicity-- black, white, brown, it doesn't matter. Brazil is a huge melting pot. We are all Brazilian.

Brazil is the KING of 'flexible' citizenship options-- getting married, adopting a child, hell even adopting a rain forest in some cases. And it can happen in as little as six-months to three years. Just don't expect the process to be crystal clear.

3) ISRAEL. Speaking of flexible, if you're willing to become Jewish, the State of Israel's Right of Return entitles you to citizenship. Make no mistake, though, it's not just going through the motions-- you have to work with local religious leaders and actually make the conversion before they're willing to go through the process.

Pitfalls: The downside of Israeli citizenship should be clear as military service is compulsory.

4) BELGIUM. At its core, Belgium's naturalization laws allow foreigners who have maintained residence in the country for three years to apply for citizenship. "Residence" can either be in Belgium, or even abroad so long as you can demonstrate ties to Belgium, i.e. family, friends, employment, property ownership, paying taxes, etc.

Aside from being an incredibly valuable travel document, Belgian naturalization also passes to all minor children-- in other words, if you become a naturalized Belgian, your kids do too.

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Tennesseahawk

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Confused. You're saying it's not about money, but if you win the lottery, you're leaving? Sounds like it is about money.

I have to have money in order to leave. Duh. :p

Didn't you ever hear money makes the world go round? It also makes me go round the world.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
because people are getting to the point that they no longer believe that the government is working as it was suppose to.
If it was just "not working as it's suppose(d) to," that would be nothing new. Renunciation is increasing because intelligent people see tyranny occurring daily in this country and exploding in the near future. Imagine airport frisks and "your papers, bitte," only everywhere. So people with means are fleeing America TO BE FREE.
believe me, my wife and i have talked about it, but with the grand kids here now....it will have to get worse before id leave...
10 years too soon is better than 1 minute too late. 1 minute too late means stuck for a lifetime. There'll be no one to come save us from tyranny the way we saved Europe. I wonder how many Jews in Germany were anguished over missed opportunities to leave.
 
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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
"I wonder how many Jews in Germany were anguished over missed opportunities to leave."


Many of the Jewish people have learned to fight back. That is EXACTLY what they SHOULD have done in Germany. Too bad so many that live here are supporting many of the same type of politicians that went after them in Germany.

Leaving does not work, only fighting back does. There is no where left to run.

Same goes for everyone who believes in freedom. Hitler and Stalin did not ONLY kill Jewish people. They killed anyone who stood up to them. They are able to win because few had the courage to stand up.

We see the same thing happening here. SO many fall for the 'health care' and 'gun control' garbage. They BELIEVE that government is looking out for them. They either never took a history class, slept through it or flunked it.
 

xiggi

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Owner/Operator
If it was just "not working as it's suppose(d) to," that would be nothing new. Renunciation is increasing because intelligent people see tyranny occurring daily in this country and exploding in the near future. Imagine airport frisks and "your papers, bitte," only everywhere. So people with means are fleeing America TO BE FREE.

10 years too soon is better than 1 minute too late. 1 minute too late means stuck for a lifetime. There'll be no one to come save us from tyranny the way we saved Europe. I wonder how many Jews in Germany were anguished over missed opportunities to leave.

That has almost nothing to do with it. The huge majority have been out of the country for years. They are sitting in front of a stack of papers saying this is crazy. They arnt sitting there saying this is tyranny. People try to make it so much more than it is to fit their script.

Sure a small percentage are doing as you say but it is a very small percentage.

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scottm4211

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
If you are seeing "the same thing happening here", why haven't you taken up arms to fight back?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
If you are seeing "the same thing happening here", why haven't you taken up arms to fight back?

When I am attacked, I will. I have yet to be fired on. It will likely happen. There is NO way for this, or any government, to totally control their population without the use of massive force. That day may yet come. That is EXACTLY why the Second Amendment was put into the Bill of Rights. I pray that it never does, and prepare for the day that it does.

Some may be willing to give up liberty, accept government control, maybe even control as something as stupid as the idea of a "king or queen". Not I.

Man is meant to live free, to determine his own way. To succeed, or fail, based on his own actions and beliefs. Anything less is slavery.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
So then it's not the same as Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany started slowly, then got worse as time passed. the Nazi's did not start off with mass murder, they worked up to it. So did Soviet Russia. Red China, North Korea. The same things will happen here, if they are allowed to get away with it. They are one election away. That takes place in November.

The ONLY problem they may face is they might have started two generations too soon. Only time will tell.

It will be interesting to see what many of the Canadian provinces do if things do go bad here. Not everyone in your country likes what is going on up there. Lot's of fed up people there too. Many there would join a fight for freedom. IF it starts here it will involve most of North America. Maybe outside forces as well.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Owner/Operator
History shows ALL great empires come to an end......U.S and Canada will be no different...just a matter of how it will happen and when....
 
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