More Americans renouncing U.S.citizenship

Tennesseahawk · May 12, 2012

layoutshooter said:
"I wonder how many Jews in Germany were anguished over missed opportunities to leave."

Many of the Jewish people have learned to fight back. That is EXACTLY what they SHOULD have done in Germany. Too bad so many that live here are supporting many of the same type of politicians that went after them in Germany.

Leaving does not work, only fighting back does. There is no where left to run.

Same goes for everyone who believes in freedom. Hitler and Stalin did not ONLY kill Jewish people. They killed anyone who stood up to them. They are able to win because few had the courage to stand up.

We see the same thing happening here. SO many fall for the 'health care' and 'gun control' garbage. They BELIEVE that government is looking out for them. They either never took a history class, slept through it or flunked it.

Some places like to stay out of the politics of the "big boys". That's exactly where I'd go. Belize is such a place.

xiggi · May 12, 2012

Tennesseahawk said:
I'll tell you why I don't. Timothy McVeigh.

Because of a paranoid child murderer, really?

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layoutshooter · May 12, 2012

xiggi said:
Because of a paranoid child murderer, really?

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He had a LOT in common with Bill Clinton. His administration believed in killing children. This one will end up doing the same.

AMonger · May 12, 2012

aristotle said:
The United States has thousands of nuclear weapons available by land, air and sea at all times. Our nuclear capable submarines alone could destroy enemy nations many times over. If the US was militarily vulnerable in any way, those vulnerabilities would have been exploited long ago.

Yes, but the scenario was that some states secede. Whether those states would have control of any nukes, no one knows.

layoutshooter · May 12, 2012

AMonger said:
Yes, but the scenario was that some states secede. Whether those states would have control of any nukes, no one knows.

They might have physical control, they could not launch. Unlike the Soviet Nukes, we have more 'national control'.

AMonger · May 12, 2012

layoutshooter said:
Shemya, is not like the rest of Alaska. It is a barren rock in the Bering Sea. It is tiny. No one could defend it. I know MANY who were stationed there. I had very close dealings with those who worked there and their mission. I missed that posting by one person. The guy before me went there, I went to Japan.

The mainland of Alaska can be defended. Against superior forces. It is vast. Germany learned what happens when one assumes that a country cannot be defended when they attacked Russia.

I think you're departing from the scenario, too. The US can defend Alaska, but if a dozen or so states break away, even Western states, with only what their state guards have I'm the way of military equipment, no. By the time those states kayaked an army, the Russians would be dug in, and the climate in Alaska is foreign to most Americans.

layoutshooter · May 12, 2012

AMonger said:
I think you're departing from the scenario, too. The US can defend Alaska, but if a dozen or so states break away, even Western states, with only what their state guards have I'm the way of military equipment, no. By the time those states kayaked an army, the Russians would be dug in, and the climate in Alaska is foreign to most Americans.

The Russians are unlikely to go after Alaska. They have many untapped oil reserves of their own. They are also not able to depend on their military as they were once able to do. In my opinion the Russians would not risk that attack. The climate is not as foreign to as many as one may think.

Russia is a concern, but in different ways.

Tennesseahawk · May 12, 2012

xiggi said:
Because of a paranoid child murderer, really?

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And who told you that? The government? I rest my case.

And while you're thinking about that, please give us the number of children our government has killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

layoutshooter · May 12, 2012

Tennesseahawk said:
And who told you that? The government? I rest my case.

And while you're thinking about that, please give us the number of children our government has killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Not nearly as many as the Soviets did when they there, or the Taliban for that matter. The former 'leader' of Iraq LOVED mass murder as well. As do those in Iran, China and North Korea.

xiggi · May 12, 2012

You really want to try and lay the blame for what he did on the goverment? You should rest your case if thats where its headed.

The other countries you mentioned have nothing to do with what he did. Not everything is the goverments fault, some people are just freaking crazy.

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Tennesseahawk · May 12, 2012

layoutshooter said:
Not nearly as many as the Soviets did when they there, or the Taliban for that matter. The former 'leader' of Iraq LOVED mass murder as well. As do those in Iran, China and North Korea.

But my point is, if the government kills a handful of kids, it's collateral damage. If someone fighting the government happens to kill a couple, in his quest, then he's a child killer.

I'm not advocating killing children in the least. But my opinion is what's good for the goose...

xiggi · May 12, 2012

Tennesseahawk said:
But my point is, if the government kills a handful of kids, it's collateral damage. If someone fighting the government happens to kill a couple, in his quest, then he's a child killer.

I'm not advocating killing children in the least. But my opinion is what's good for the goose...

His quest, your giving credit undeserved by calling it by such a name.

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Tennesseahawk · May 12, 2012

xiggi said:
You really want to try and lay the blame for what he did on the goverment? You should rest your case if thats where its headed.

The other countries you mentioned have nothing to do with what he did. Not everything is the goverments fault, some people are just freaking crazy.

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I know. Some people call Ron Paul crazy. I like riding that train.

BTW... I'm not blaming what he did on the government. But the government has some culpability in everything that pertains to the government. Take 911, for instance. Which entity, worldwide, has benefited most from the 911 attacks?

I hope you share your answer to that one.

layoutshooter · May 12, 2012

xiggi said:
You really want to try and lay the blame for what he did on the goverment? You should rest your case if thats where its headed.

The other countries you mentioned have nothing to do with what he did. Not everything is the goverments fault, some people are just freaking crazy.

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Yep, some people are just 'freaking crazy'.

I wonder, at what point are some people no longer 'freaking crazy' and are just protecting their freedom? Is that possible? I believe it is and more and more are reaching that point.

Is saying NO crazy? Is there an limit to what a government can do before a people say no more? Is there any point where standing up and fighting back right or is the government able to do as it pleases?

Tennesseahawk · May 12, 2012

xiggi said:
His quest, your giving credit undeserved by calling it by such a name.

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And, IMO, his name will be revered by a large portion of the populous, here in the next 10 to 20 years.

xiggi · May 12, 2012

Tennesseahawk said:
And, IMO, his name will be revered by a large portion of the populous, here in the next 10 to 20 years.

history can always be rewrote whem the facts fade.

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layoutshooter · May 12, 2012

Tennesseahawk said:
But my point is, if the government kills a handful of kids, it's collateral damage. If someone fighting the government happens to kill a couple, in his quest, then he's a child killer.

I'm not advocating killing children in the least. But my opinion is what's good for the goose...

What do you call a government who TARGETS women and children? That is FAR different that 'collateral damage', is it not? Just asking. Many U.S. service people have died trying not to have any more 'collateral damage'.

Tennesseahawk · May 12, 2012

xiggi said:
history can always be rewrote whem the facts fade.

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I'm waiting for your answer to my other question.

Tennesseahawk · May 12, 2012

layoutshooter said:
What do you call a government who TARGETS women and children? That is FAR different that 'collateral damage', is it not? Just asking. Many U.S. service people have died trying not to have any more 'collateral damage'.

Absolutely it's different. I'm not saying the USofA has targeted children, but only that they've accepted them being collateral damage. Waco is a huge example of "all or nothing" governmental intrusion. Bush looking for an excuse... any excuse, to get us into Iraq, is another.

layoutshooter · May 12, 2012

Tennesseahawk said:
Absolutely it's different. I'm not saying the USofA has targeted children, but only that they've accepted them being collateral damage. Waco is a huge example of "all or nothing" governmental intrusion. Bush looking for an excuse... any excuse, to get us into Iraq, is another.

Well, having, what is known to some as 'first hand experience' in this matter, there were, beyond a doubt, WMD's in Iraq. I know, I had to keep track of them for a while. There were many 'captured' when we went in, but facts like that are not important to our press or many people. It would 'muddy up' too many things for many who tend to live in "gaga land".

Was that enough reason to get involved? I don't know. I was not longer involved when this latest round took place. Did we find the all? Nope. Will we? Not likely. Will they someday be used against us here? Yep.