I've been warning about this

[Turtle]

I thought there was an "s" at the end!

You Brussels Sproutophobe, you. Accept the Brussels sprout. Embrace the Brussels sprout.

Sauteed in butter and garlic, seasoned with salt, pepper, and paprika, it's, well, it's divine is what it is.

 

[pandora2112]

As long as you embrace the homo love!
We'll use Paprika (who was formally know as Paul) and Hot Butter Lips (formally know as Bryan)...it won't be divine but possibly fabulous!
(Sorry very un-pc but couldn't resist!)

)0( Nasmaste )0(

 

[Ragman]

As long as you embrace the homo love!

I wonder what would happen? Hmmmmmm

Nah

 

[layoutshooter]

It's gotta be the moon!

 

[Ragman]

It's gotta be the moon!

 

[davekc]

It's gotta be the moon!

That....or some just got out of a meeting at the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

[Maverick]

Well, I think we can now safely dismiss you as being a voice of sanity.
The judgement and repression of God-given sexual urges may be the most blindingly obvious example, where such repression often causes serious anxiety, frustration, depression and stress to individuals and families, and to a greater extent entire populations. Christianity promotes sexual misery among its own adherents through its insistence that sex (except the very narrow variety it sanctions) is evil, against God's law. Christianity's morbidly unhealthy preoccupation with sex could almost led one to believe that "morality" consists solely of what one does in one's bedroom. Christianity has an exceptionally unhealthy fixation on sex (see Monger, A), to the exclusion of almost everything else (except power, money, and the infliction of cruelty). The Ten Commandments contain a commandment forbidding the coveting of one’s neighbor’s wife, but do not even mention slavery, torture, or cruelty, which were abundantly common in the time the Commandments were written, which speaks volumes about their writer’s preoccupation with sex (and women as property). These are not beneficial teachings. They are detrimental to everyone.

In addition, Christianity not only reduces, for all practical purposes, the question of morality to that of sexual behavior, but by listing its prohibitions, it encourages an "everything not prohibited is permitted" mentality. What that means is, if the Bible doesn't explicitly prohibit it, then you're good to go. As a result, with the exception of a relatively few churchgoers, Christians ignore the very real evils plaguing our society: poverty; homelessness; hunger; militarism; a grossly unfair distribution of wealth and income; ecological despoliation exacerbated by corporate greed; overpopulation; sexism; racism; freedom-denying, invasive drug laws; an inadequate educational system; etc., etc. - unless they’re actively working to worsen those evils in the name of Christian morality or "family values." That's not very beneficial to the individual or the group. It's very beneficial to those in religious power, though.

Organized Christianity is a skillful apologist for the status quo and all the evils that go along with it. It diverts attention from real problems by focusing attention on sexual issues, and when confronted with social evils such as the problems of militarism and war, most Christians shrug and say, "That’s human nature. It’s always been that way, and it always will." 200 years ago they said the same thing about slavery, even actively defended it from the pulpit. Then there's the fact that many wars, including the one we are now fighting, are religious wars that teach it's not only OK but your Christian duty to kill others who are against Christianity. Detrimental? You betcha.


Actually, the Bible subverts basic liberty by controlling its adherents on a large and demanding scale. It promotes liberty, but only under certain conditions and within narrow limits. It promotes authoritarianism (do what I say) and arrogance (we're better than you) so that liberties of even non-believers can be subverted.


Washington, D.C.

Not only do we shoot amiss over secular and human argument......we obviously can't speak with any accuracy to religious matters. I'd stick with the secular since you do get that right on occasion.

 

[Maverick]

More blood has been spilled in the name of religion than any other reason...so what ever makes you feel good..

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Like the gulf war? Based on lies, half truths, and totally man centered. This has nothing to do with a Christian.

 

[Maverick]

I didn't say that. I qualified with the exception of a few churchgoers. I also qualified it by saying they don't do things about real world problems UNLESS they are actively working to worsen those evils in the name of Christian morality or "family values.

It's absolutely serious.

Yeah, I've heard of them, and with a few exceptions they are all done to either enrich churches or promote Christianity. Christian hospitals - doesn't apply to any of the things I listed, but they are linked directly to insurance abuses just like every other hospital is, and associate churches profit from those hospitals in many cases. Orphanages - only a handful still in existence worldwide, not a pleasant history for the most part, and was used to promote Christianity to its residents. Soup Kitchens, part of the "few churchgoers" exception, but many are there to also promote religion. YMCA - the Young Men's Christian Association that was founded in 1844 London specifically to promote Christian principles. Habitat for Humanity - a self-described Christian Housing Ministry.

How about the rest of the list? Militarism; a grossly unfair distribution of wealth and income; ecological despoliation exacerbated by corporate greed; overpopulation; sexism; racism; freedom-denying, invasive drug laws; an inadequate educational system. How are Christians, as a body, combating these things?


According to previous arguments against Christianity.....why should we do anything about it, it's pushing our values on others. Please choose your argument.

 

[EASYTRADER]

DOMA - Struck Down (as I predicted) - so what this means is some States will recognise and subsudise pervert relationships and others won't. SCOTUS has yet to rule on Prop 8 which is a CA Constituional Ammendment banning the recognition of pervo relationships. I have no doubt prop 8 will be overturned as well.

I see this as the clearsest evidence yet that the United States has lost its former blessings and is now under condemnation. The financial colapse was the start of the woes, it is not over, within a few years the dollar will colapse and then comes Famine, Pestilence and War, its going to be a very interesting decade.

 

[asjssl]

DOMA - Struck Down (as I predicted) - so what this means is some States will recognise and subsudise pervert relationships and others won't. SCOTUS has yet to rule on Prop 8 which is a CA Constituional Ammendment banning the recognition of pervo relationships. I have no doubt prop 8 will be overturned as well.

I see this as the clearsest evidence yet that the United States has lost its former blessings and is now under condemnation. The financial colapse was the start of the woes, it is not over, within a few years the dollar will colapse and then comes Famine, Pestilence and War, its going to be a very interesting decade.

Its a GOOD day In America!!
If you do t like it move to Saudi Arabia ..they think like you
Your the problem...pervert relationship ..what ignorant stupid thinking..they are people who deserve to be happy and love..
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[davekc]

DOMA - Struck Down (as I predicted) - so what this means is some States will recognise and subsudise pervert relationships and others won't. SCOTUS has yet to rule on Prop 8 which is a CA Constituional Ammendment banning the recognition of pervo relationships. I have no doubt prop 8 will be overturned as well.

I see this as the clearsest evidence yet that the United States has lost its former blessings and is now under condemnation. The financial colapse was the start of the woes, it is not over, within a few years the dollar will colapse and then comes Famine, Pestilence and War, its going to be a very interesting decade.

Prop 8 is basically out. Gays in California can now be married and previous attempts will now be recognized.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/06/26/supreme-court-ruling-on-prop-8/


On a side note, a country like say Iran kills homosexuals if they are caught. Are you saying they get bonus bucks for this practice?
I don't see the US going down in flames because of this as a single issue.

 

[xiggi]

Its a GOOD day In America!!
If you do t like it move to Saudi Arabia ..they think like you
Your the problem...pervert relationship ..what ignorant stupid thinking..they are people who deserve to be happy and love..
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So it takes marriage to be happy and love? I believe you were the one who said follow the money when it came to the church. I have to say that is what this is about not happiness or love but benifets and money.

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[davekc]

Probably more of a snub against Christianity or the gays would be happy with civil unions.

 

[asjssl]

So it takes marriage to be happy and love? I believe you were the one who said follow the money when it came to the church. I have to say that is what this is about not happiness or love but benifets and money.

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It is also about the $$ for sure...2 people in a committed relationship should be entitled to the same benefits.. Why not there tax paying Americans..

For religion to be so based on love it always amazes me how they get off on keeping people down... Because they don't meet your criteria ...how is that right...
I see a lot of hate coming out in the religions when things like this happen

This decision today was just the right thing to do!

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[davekc]

It is also about the $$ for sure...2 people in a committed relationship should be entitled to the same benefits.. Why not there tax paying Americans..

For religion to be so based on love it always amazes me how they get off on keeping people down... Because they don't meet your criteria ...how is that right...
I see a lot of hate coming out in the religions when things like this happen

This decision today was just the right thing to do!



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If religion is the problem for gays, why would they want to be married? They want to be recognized by a religion would they not if marriage is the desire? If it is equal rights they are after, civil unions would provide that.

 

[asjssl]

If religion is the problem for gays, why would they want to be married? They want to be recognized by a religion would they not if marriage is the desire? If it is equal rights they are after, civil unions would provide that.

There human..just as you are...no less as religion makes them out to be...marriage is a legal contract...you need 0 religion to be married..so why should they settle for less?? They are American..people..

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[davekc]

There human..just as you are...no less as religion makes them out to be...marriage is a legal contract...you need 0 religion to be married..so why should they settle for less?? They are American..people..

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Umm...not quite. Marriage is a religious ceremony. If they don't want or reject religion, then they should be fine with civil unions as that affords them the same rights and benefits as a married couple.

 

[asjssl]

Umm...not quite. Marriage is a religious ceremony. If they don't want or reject religion, then they should be fine with civil unions as that affords them the same rights and benefits as a married couple.

Last I remember you can get married by Elvis on the Las Vegas Strip and its 100 percent legal not much religion in that.. You can go to the justice of the peace at home and get married 100 percent legal

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[Turtle]

Not only do we shoot amiss over secular and human argument......we obviously can't speak with any accuracy to religious matters. I'd stick with the secular since you do get that right on occasion.

According to previous arguments against Christianity.....why should we do anything about it, it's pushing our values on others. Please choose your argument.

If you want to refute anything I've said, please do so. But by simply telling me that I'm wrong without defending why you think I'm wrong, in effect telling me, "You're wrong. Period. End of discussion," you're merely reinforcing my point about authoritarianism and arrogance.