Yep, which the entire push for "gay marriage" is all about. Nothing more. It is a sham, a smoke screen.
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Yep, which the entire push for "gay marriage" is all about. Nothing more. It is a sham, a smoke screen.
Lol...so if there recruited.. where are the meetings?? If you are not gay..how do you know if your born gay or not??.if being gay is a choice..as you say..why would one pick that lifestyle..to be stonewalled @ everything they do..if YOU are born straight...its not a far reach to think someone could be born gay...
Its not behavior Mr.know it all..its who they are ..FOOL..just as you love a women they love and are attracted to someone of the same sex..
What ignorant stupid thinking...
IF YOUR NOT GAY..HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY THINK??????????
because you were told to think those stupid ideas are true....
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pandora2112
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Actually our laws and government are based a lot like Roman society, who were pagans. While killing, stealing, etc are mentioned in the ten commandments value of human life and these being crimes predate Christianity. Ancient Egyptians had similar feelings on murder and even adultery that the bible does yet they were not a Christian based society.
I will agree the ten commandments are not all bad rules to live by but you don't need religion to have morals, actually I was just reading about a recent study that says those who are religious are more likely to commit crimes than atheists or those who say they are non religious...going to go eat but I will have to go dig it up!
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EASYTRADER
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Roman governemnt didn't santion gay marriages, Even Nero a notorious pervert and sodomite had to have his boyfriends johnson chopped of to girlify him in order to make the union acceptable.
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I feel sorry for religious people I'm not religious religion binds up but a RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ sets free and who the Son sets free is free indeed!
This world is not my home i'm only visiting this planet and when I see all these things taking place in some ways it makes me happy because I know i'm getting closer to my home.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. And sexual orientation is hardly the sole determining factor on that score.
It's not OK, really. That's nothing more than one group of people trying to force their own morality onto another group.
You don't have to believe in a religion, or have ever even heard of the Bible, to know that homosexuality is wrong. Those who use the Bible as the basis for their argument have a weak argument. They don't think it is, they're convinced that it's the ultimate authoritative argument, but it is, nevertheless, a weak argument that is little more than, "I believe this really, really bad, and therefore you should, too."
The fact that homosexuality exists means it's natural, a naturally occurring phenomenon But just because it's natural doesn't mean it's normal. The world is full of naturally occurring abnormalities. But the simple argument against homosexuality is that it's not even abnormal, it goes beyond that to anormal, which is something that goes against the type, not according to rule, an anomaly that should not happen. The 100% sole reason for sexual attraction is to ensure the propagation of the species. Same-sex attraction is the exact opposite of that. That's not a religious argument, it's a reality argument that doesn't require a belief system.
I agree with that 100 percent. The problem is, that statement doesn't specify what kind of contract. If they're talking about a marriage contract, which is a contract not only between a a man and a woman, but between the couple and the state, then the state is also a party to the contract.
Humble2drive
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I don't hate straw man arguments just because you use them.
I just love when somebody makes up a statistic and then claims that it "blows that argument up"
But, I don't hate make believe statistics just because I don't believe in them.
Why is homosexuality wrong..maybe you THINK so..but I sure don't..that is your opinion a lot of things go on in nature that makes so sense..is no need for.....so someone likes something..there is no need for a reason other than the like what they like..why is that wrong..why can it exist??
And how does a man loving/being with a man or woman with a woman affect YOU?? it doesn't...who cares...
Well I know who cares..people who feel they have to control others ..people who think there better...it must be..why else would you care??
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They can adopt, use sarrugates and other options available.
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I THOUGHT he said it was abnormal, which it is, since it does nothing to further the continuation of the species. I did not see where he said it was wrong.
xxiv24
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Allow me....IT'S WRONG!!!
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I don't hate straw man arguments just because you use them.
I just love when somebody makes up a statistic and then claims that it "blows that argument up"
But, I don't hate make believe statistics just because I don't believe in them.
OK now say something that makes sense.
Actually there is conflicting studies on the matter as is normally the case so someone on either side could find info to back theirs argument up.
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Well, I think we can now safely dismiss you as being a voice of sanity.
The judgement and repression of God-given sexual urges may be the most blindingly obvious example, where such repression often causes serious anxiety, frustration, depression and stress to individuals and families, and to a greater extent entire populations. Christianity promotes sexual misery among its own adherents through its insistence that sex (except the very narrow variety it sanctions) is evil, against God's law. Christianity's morbidly unhealthy preoccupation with sex could almost led one to believe that "morality" consists solely of what one does in one's bedroom. Christianity has an exceptionally unhealthy fixation on sex (see Monger, A), to the exclusion of almost everything else (except power, money, and the infliction of cruelty). The Ten Commandments contain a commandment forbidding the coveting of one’s neighbor’s wife, but do not even mention slavery, torture, or cruelty, which were abundantly common in the time the Commandments were written, which speaks volumes about their writer’s preoccupation with sex (and women as property). These are not beneficial teachings. They are detrimental to everyone.
In addition, Christianity not only reduces, for all practical purposes, the question of morality to that of sexual behavior, but by listing its prohibitions, it encourages an "everything not prohibited is permitted" mentality. What that means is, if the Bible doesn't explicitly prohibit it, then you're good to go. As a result, with the exception of a relatively few churchgoers, Christians ignore the very real evils plaguing our society: poverty; homelessness; hunger; militarism; a grossly unfair distribution of wealth and income; ecological despoliation exacerbated by corporate greed; overpopulation; sexism; racism; freedom-denying, invasive drug laws; an inadequate educational system; etc., etc. - unless they’re actively working to worsen those evils in the name of Christian morality or "family values." That's not very beneficial to the individual or the group. It's very beneficial to those in religious power, though.
Organized Christianity is a skillful apologist for the status quo and all the evils that go along with it. It diverts attention from real problems by focusing attention on sexual issues, and when confronted with social evils such as the problems of militarism and war, most Christians shrug and say, "That’s human nature. It’s always been that way, and it always will." 200 years ago they said the same thing about slavery, even actively defended it from the pulpit. Then there's the fact that many wars, including the one we are now fighting, are religious wars that teach it's not only OK but your Christian duty to kill others who are against Christianity. Detrimental? You betcha.
Actually, the Bible subverts basic liberty by controlling its adherents on a large and demanding scale. It promotes liberty, but only under certain conditions and within narrow limits. It promotes authoritarianism (do what I say) and arrogance (we're better than you) so that liberties of even non-believers can be subverted.
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That was not the argument that Turtle was making, unless I read it wrong. Arguing that an individual is assigning right or wrong, when he did not, is not a valid argument.
NOW, if he were to argue YOUR statement, it would be a correct argument.
Well sometimes they can...but alot of people out there start getting there panties in a bunch when 2 men/ women try to adopt..surrogate..
This THINKING that homosexuality is bad/wrong has been around for thousands of years ...way before your suggestions above were even available... that's why the church as whole as little use for homosexuality.. and made it a bad thing...that's why all the religious are so against the thought of being gay..been drilled Into the minds and culture..as bad..bad..bad..doesn't further or help the church in any way...it hurts ..can't keep the "enrollment" up if there's a lot gays involved.. makes 100% total sense to me..
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xxiv24
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I am aware of that, Capt. Obvious.
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My buddy went to a catholic high school....played football for them...they went out for a team dinner...they were served chicken by mistake instead of fish..when brought to the attention of the preacher or whatever the catholics call him...they were told to bow there heads..said a prayer..then the chicken was fish...walla..presto..good to eat now...my point..religions make up all sorts of stuff all the time to fit there agenda...so not a far fetched idea on my theory of the hate and distain towards gays...
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I did say it's wrong. Maybe I wasn't clear, but it's wrong. I said you don't have to believe in a religion or have read the Bible to know that it's wrong. You can be a total atheist and still know it's wrong. The religious argument for it being wrong is a hollow, weak reason.
I don't feel its wrong...that's your opinion..
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