I've been warning about this
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Honestly I think the money argument is just a stereotype used by many who do not like the church. The last two I attended for any length of time did not even pass the offering plate during services for that very reason. Of course some are about money but some also are not. It is reality it takes a certain amount of dollars to run a congregation. So needing money to achieve that is completely reasonable.
As time goes by gays adopting and such will become much more common. I am against gay marriage just a personal thing not because of lifestyles or such thing. Civil unions or that sort I am OK with.
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xxiv24
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LOL!! I am not a Captain, never was, I was an enlisted man!
Lol, check check!
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It doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't think it's wrong, because immediately after me stating the specifics of why it's wrong, you ask me why it's wrong. Clearly, either your reading comprehension skills are ridiculously bad, or you're close-minded and not open to intelligent reasoning and critical thinking and are instead ruled by emotion.
Same-sex couples loving/being with each other doesn't affect me one little bit, and I don't care if they do it. But when they forcibly assert themselves onto me and society by demanding that I accept and embrace homosexuality as normal, it affects me a great deal, and that I do care about.
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Thanks for calling me dumb...but typical for you..bombarded people with YOUR "facts" and long winded answers till they give up and agree with you..say all you want..its not wrong..and to tell me I'm wrong for thinking its okay..is stupid...
BEING GAY IS OKAY.. if you don't like it well boo hoo to you..
Nobody is forcibly assurtaing there sexuality on you..you just think they are because you can't stand homosexuality.. typical run of the mill answer ...
So with your logic..the church has been forcibly asserting themselves in my life and others for years...
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pandora2112
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I believe Turtle said anormal not abnormal and while I don't agree with my friends I have many friends who believe homosexuality is wrong not bc they're Christian (they're not) but for various other reasons from health (I won't get graphic but homosexual male sex) to their thoughts that it takes both sexes to make a child so natural order makes it wrong. I respect these arguments more than armchair morality bc of one's religious beliefs.
I don't care who you love, marry, etc. I support making all "marriage" certificates the government gives into "civil union" certificates and if you want a marriage go to a church. And no, no forcing churches to marry same sex couples. Churches are like clubs there are requirements to belonging. I want a handfasting, so why would I try and force a priest or preacher who doesn't believe in it to perform it?
It may not be "normal" but it's not a choice! Many studies have shown that gays and lesbians are basically wired differently than straight men and women. Oh well! Could be God's answer to overpopulation! If you believe in God, Mother Nature or some higher power.
At some point though you are going to have to accept that they're queer, they're here and they aren't going away. You don't have to like it, but you can't treat them like second class because of it. They deserve to be treated with respect just like anyone else does...you don't like homosexuality fine, I don't like brussel sprouts! Tell you what I won't force you to have gay sex and you won't force me to eat brussel sprouts! Problem solved!
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I don't care who you love, marry, etc. I support making all "marriage" certificates the government gives into "civil union" certificates and if you want a marriage go to a church. And no, no forcing churches to marry same sex couples. Churches are like clubs there are requirements to belonging. I want a handfasting, so why would I try and force a priest or preacher who doesn't believe in it to perform it?
It may not be "normal" but it's not a choice! Many studies have shown that gays and lesbians are basically wired differently than straight men and women. Oh well! Could be God's answer to overpopulation! If you believe in God, Mother Nature or some higher power.
At some point though you are going to have to accept that they're queer, they're here and they aren't going away. You don't have to like it, but you can't treat them like second class because of it. They deserve to be treated with respect just like anyone else does...you don't like homosexuality fine, I don't like brussel sprouts! Tell you what I won't force you to have gay sex and you won't force me to eat brussel sprouts! Problem solved!
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It's around full moon time, it will fade.
pandora2112
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Like I said before, the OP says
Originally Posted by HATEMonger
... then pedophilia, beastophilia, and then who-knows-what.
I still say this is absurd.
Yes absurd is a polite way of putting it! I was thinking something much worse...it's apples and oranges.
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EASYTRADER
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Turtle,
You are seriously confused.
Christians do nothing about real world problems?
Was that even a serious diatribe or meant to be in jest?
I guess you've never heard of hospitals, orphanages, soup kitchens, YMCA, Habitat for Humanity, (invented by Christains), the word 'charity' itself has etomology to 'christ'.
I can appreciate your hatred of God and his people, but be honest with yourself at the very least.
You are seriously confused.
Christians do nothing about real world problems?
Was that even a serious diatribe or meant to be in jest?
I guess you've never heard of hospitals, orphanages, soup kitchens, YMCA, Habitat for Humanity, (invented by Christains), the word 'charity' itself has etomology to 'christ'.
I can appreciate your hatred of God and his people, but be honest with yourself at the very least.
pandora2112
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Sunday was the full moon, it was a super moon expect long term insanity!
Don't get me wrong I agree with asjssl and his acceptance of homosexuality but just pointing out the moon situation!
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More blood has been spilled in the name of religion than any other reason...so what ever makes you feel good..
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Sunday was the full moon, it was a super moon expect long term insanity!
Don't get me wrong I agree with asjssl and his acceptance of homosexuality but just pointing out the moon situation!
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I was not discussing the "right" or the "wrong". One can accept what ever one wants. It's still sort of a free country, for now. Homosexuality IS abnormal and does not serve the continuation of the species. Assuming it is genetic it would have to be a VERY recessive gene since it is damaging to the survival of the species.
The behavior and the moon part is obvious. LOL! I wonder, did they release the new "Superman" movie around the the time of the "Super moon" on purpose?
Only because of the time involved. Stalin did not spill the blood of the 23 million he did because of religion. Neither did Mao or any of the "modern" "Mega-murderers.
Well, you're quite welcome, but I didn't call you dumb. If I were to call you something, it would be close-minded, because you are intolerant of any ideas that do not agree with your own, and stupid, because your reading comprehension just sucks.
See what I mean about your reading comprehension? It just sucks. I mean, really, really bad. That's not what I did at all. In fact, I even simplified it and kept it very terse so that even you can understand it. I'll write it again, and if you read it s l o w l y this time, maybe you'll understand it, and understand that it's not "my" facts here.
Homosexuality anormal, which is something that goes against the type, not according to rule, an anomaly that should not happen. The 100% sole reason for sexual attraction is to ensure the propagation of the species. Same-sex attraction is the exact opposite of that.
Those aren't "my" facts, nor is it some ridiculous religious argument, those are irrefutable biological and species survival facts that cannot be disputed. I challenge you to try.
It's actually quite intelligent.
The definition of OK is... all is right, correct and proper, permissible, acceptable, meeting standards. Since homosexuality is anormal and goes against the type, it is the exact opposite of meeting standards, is not correct or proper, and therefore is not acceptable. There isn't a single thing about being gay that is OK. So, you're wrong.
Of course they are, and they're using the courts and other means (such as politically correct speech, which is designed to control thought) to do it.
You gonna stick your tongue out at me next?
Correct, they have been. Out of an insatiable need to tell others what to do, they have been trying to legislate their versions of morality for centuries. Our nation is full of laws that are a direct result of their assertions.
pandora2112
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I thought there was an "s" at the end!
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I didn't say that. I qualified with the exception of a few churchgoers. I also qualified it by saying they don't do things about real world problems UNLESS they are actively working to worsen those evils in the name of Christian morality or "family values.
It's absolutely serious.
Yeah, I've heard of them, and with a few exceptions they are all done to either enrich churches or promote Christianity. Christian hospitals - doesn't apply to any of the things I listed, but they are linked directly to insurance abuses just like every other hospital is, and associate churches profit from those hospitals in many cases. Orphanages - only a handful still in existence worldwide, not a pleasant history for the most part, and was used to promote Christianity to its residents. Soup Kitchens, part of the "few churchgoers" exception, but many are there to also promote religion. YMCA - the Young Men's Christian Association that was founded in 1844 London specifically to promote Christian principles. Habitat for Humanity - a self-described Christian Housing Ministry.
How about the rest of the list? Militarism; a grossly unfair distribution of wealth and income; ecological despoliation exacerbated by corporate greed; overpopulation; sexism; racism; freedom-denying, invasive drug laws; an inadequate educational system. How are Christians, as a body, combating these things?
I don't hate God at all. Not real fond of his fan club, though.