I've been warning about this

[davekc]

Legal civil unions would likely be the easy out. But, it certainly does open the door to "variations" if that becomes the law of the land. From the religious stand point, even that is somewhat of a mix bag as some churches are now allowing gay clergy or priests.
Polgamy is another issue that certainly will get "green lighted" if same sex marriage is allowed. Just don't see anything stopping it. As to whether it is immoral, well......depends on the religion.

 

[Ragman]

Legal civil unions would likely be the easy out. But, it certainly does open the door to "variations" if that becomes the law of the land. From the religious stand point, even that is somewhat of a mix bag as some churches are now allowing gay clergy or priests.
Polgamy is another issue that certainly will get "green lighted" if same sex marriage is allowed. Just don't see anything stopping it. As to whether it is immoral, well......depends on the religion.

All this may be true, but to make the statement

... then pedophilia, beastophilia, and then who-knows-what.

is absurd.

 

[davekc]

All this may be true, but to make the statement



is absurd.

That I would agree with. There is no evidence that one leads to the other. That is like saying a shoplifter will positively become a murderer.

 

[ChanceMaster]

I find the the acronym "SCOTUS" strangely erotic.

 

[davekc]

I find the the acronym "SCOTUS" strangely erotic.

Ummm???? I have no answer to that.

 

[ChanceMaster]

There are NO answers to that, only questions.

 

[pandora2112]

I find the the acronym "SCOTUS" strangely erotic.

That's a loaded statement!

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[Maverick]

Legal civil unions would likely be the easy out. But, it certainly does open the door to "variations" if that becomes the law of the land. From the religious stand point, even that is somewhat of a mix bag as some churches are now allowing gay clergy or priests.
Polgamy is another issue that certainly will get "green lighted" if same sex marriage is allowed. Just don't see anything stopping it. As to whether it is immoral, well......depends on the religion.

Need to point out one thing though Dave.....these Churches are not The Church. They are simply part of the falling away as foretold, and will be judged accordingly. The real church is not a building, group of worldly people, or even a religious group. The real Church is made of up true believers and followers of the Son of God......and the teachings, commands, and morality which accompanies.

Not to take offense, but merely pointing out these people who allow the very same things the world condones/tolerates are not, and never were, part of the body of true believers. I think the OP is right in many things he espouses, but perhaps without the understanding that all these things are to be expected, are going to happen, and there is nothing to stop it.

We are to occupy and stand fast in our belief until The Lord returns. The Christin should be of calm spirit and light of heart, but we do on occasion express alarm over how fast all this is happening. It's described as a women in childbirth and this lawlessness/immorality will increase in both intensity and frequency until in reaches a culmination. We should expect no less and I understand the OP's concern, given the birth pang description.

Rom 10
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Simply deciphered......We are not going to scare people into conversion, should not be in dismay over the signs of the times, or seek to sound trumpets before those who do not believe. We are to stand bold in our position, hold the line in our house, and be an example of no fear. There is nothing in this world getting any better....it's going to worsen as we go.

 

[EASYTRADER]

Can somebody tell me what the compelling governemnt interest is in promoting sexual deviation?

Government can only do 3 things.
1. Promote Behavior
2. Prohibit Behavior
3. Ignore behavior

In general and in the US in particular Governemnts must show some compelling reason for regulating certain behaviors. I can think of several public health reasons why the governemnt could 'prohibit' deviant sexual behavior and many forms of perversion are still banned by law today. Homosexual acts were illegal in many states as recently as 40 years ago, in the UCMJ untill last year.

So there are a host of non-religious public health reasons why sexual perversions could be regulated.

There is a personal freedom argument why some forms of sexual perversion should be 'ignored'.

But I have yet to hear a cogent argument as to why the Governemnt should be 'Promoting' sexual deviancy. Allowing publically recognised same sex unions 'is' public promotion.

The common legal argument is from the equal rights angle however this is pure cunnard. Homosexuals are NOT banned from getting married, as long as they 'marry' which in all cultures in every country for recorded history meant a social contract between a man and a woman or sevral women.

Not even in the famously sexually perverted cultures of the Greeks where homosexual perversion was touted, were marriages between men, or women allowed.

I think most of you are being tricked by the left, the real motive here is not equal rights or fairness, but destruction. Having looked at the history in the US from the Civil War forward I can't think of a single policy 'widely' supported by The Democratic Party which hasn't turned out to be ruinous. Why would this be any different?

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[EASYTRADER]

For the Christain reader, the hidden purpose in same sex unions is to set up a legal framework for the persecution of the church. Already Christians are in conflict with the governemnt on a whole host of issues. Once sexual perversion is 'normalised' and even 'promoted', the lawsuits will stack up. Perverts will sue for evrything, forcing legaly recognised churchs to accept or promote behaviors that are abhorrent.

The last 100 years has been spent wrecking the Constitutional checks on governemnt power. Now that, that has been accomplished the next 40 years will be spent assailing the 'Church' on a host of grounds.

I believe the US is the final beast described in Revalation.

 

[asjssl]

For the Christain reader, the hidden purpose in same sex unions is to set up a legal framework for the persecution of the church. Already Christians are in conflict with the governemnt on a whole host of issues. Once sexual perversion is 'normalised' and even 'promoted', the lawsuits will stack up. Perverts will sue for evrything, forcing legaly recognised churchs to accept or promote behaviors that are abhorrent.

The last 100 years has been spent wrecking the Constitutional checks on governemnt power. Now that, that has been accomplished the next 40 years will be spent assailing the 'Church' on a host of grounds.

I believe the US is the final beast described in Revalation.

So 2 people who love and care for each other are perverts??
That's why there is YOUR so called assault on the "church" ...ignorant thinking like that...
Some people are born to like the opposite sex...soooo....people are born to be attracted to the same sex...not a far stretch..so why is it OK to limit what they can do because some book or teachings say so...what about us who don't believe in religion ..I personally could care less ..as along as there happy WHO CARES...let's deny 2 people happiness because they don't meet your standards.. pretty rotten behavior if you ask me..

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[asjssl]

My theory on religions hang up on gays...is...$$$ and power everything is about $$$... see 2 gays can't make new members for the church... all about keeping the #'s up...so gays are no use to the church...so let's make it bad..forbidden..taboo.....worked pretty good so far..

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[asjssl]

From a friends Facebook:

If two people want to enter into a contract, it is their right to do so, and the government's job is only to enforce that contract. Let's get the government out of our bedrooms and out of our wallets! Equality and freedom for ALL.

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[EASYTRADER]

I don't care one way or another what sexual deviants do in their own homes. There are practical non-religious reasons why the Gov should either ignore or prohibit such behaviors. I have yet to hear a rational reason why Governemnet should "Promote" sexual deviations.

From a US Constitutional standpoint, yes the church is under assualt, as are individual Christians.

Public schools are now "Promoting" sexual deviancy, and murder. You may have the right to be a pervert but where do you get the right to force my children to believe and learn your perversions are 'normal' (which statistally they aren't) or even harmless (which again statistally they aren't)

As a Christian, I am forced by law to rent to sexual deviants, hire sexual deviants, in some juridictions even telling a pervert they are perverted is illegal 'hate' speech. If I provide health services I am required to provide instant baby-murder pills, compelling me to be an accomplice to infanticide.

So yes the church is persecuted, we are being forced by application of Un-Constitutional laws to associate with and even support all kinds of deviant behaviors.

Once marriage is perverted Pastors will get sued for not performing the ceremony. Their is a case currently working through the courts on this same issue, a discrimination case none the less and currently gay marriage is banned on a federal level.

So yes we are being persecuted.

Christians are NOT using the "force of law" to make you tithe or come to communion or even by Teebow autographed pitures. You devil worshipping sexual perverts however are using the "force of law" to compel your views to be accepted, to force us to associate, and worse yet to silence our speech.

 

[asjssl]

I don't care one way or another what sexual deviants do in their own homes. There are practical non-religious reasons why the Gov should either ignore or prohibit such behaviors. I have yet to hear a rational reason why Governemnet should "Promote" sexual deviations.

From a US Constitutional standpoint, yes the church is under assualt, as are individual Christians.

Public schools are now "Promoting" sexual deviancy, and murder. You may have the right to be a pervert but where do you get the right to force my children to believe and learn your perversions are 'normal' (which statistally they aren't) or even harmless (which again statistally they aren't)

As a Christian, I am forced by law to rent to sexual deviants, hire sexual deviants, in some juridictions even telling a pervert they are perverted is illegal 'hate' speech. If I provide health services I am required to provide instant baby-murder pills, compelling me to be an accomplice to infanticide.

So yes the church is persecuted, we are being forced by application of Un-Constitutional laws to associate with and even support all kinds of deviant behaviors.

Once marriage is perverted Pastors will get sued for not performing the ceremony. Their is a case currently working through the courts on this same issue, a discrimination case none the less and currently gay marriage is banned on a federal level.

So yes we are being persecuted.

Christians are NOT using the "force of law" to make you tithe or come to communion or even by Teebow autographed pitures. You devil worshipping sexual perverts however are using the "force of law" to compel your views to be accepted, to force us to associate, and worse yet to silence our speech.

Your off your rocker...devil worshiper ..your statements just reinforce my hatred off religion....keep believing all the BS the church as you brainwashed into thinking is true...

Sexual deviants...no...there 2 people that attracted to each other.. again the church gives them these labels because there no use to the the church..$$ all about the $$ always has....always will..



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[xiggi]

Not sure why you would hate religion I don't hate atheism just because I don't agree with it. I don't agree with same sex marriage but don't hate it.

If churches were all about dollars then it would make sense they would welcome gays a high percentage have good careers. Kind of blows that argument up.


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[pandora2112]

It's all straight people's fault they keep having gay kids!
Oh and btw at one point their were Christian sanctioned same sex unions...just saying!

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[xiggi]

It's all straight people's fault they keep having gay kids!


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Now that was funny.


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[EASYTRADER]

Homosexuals are 'recruited' not 'Born', deviant sexual behavior is just that a 'behavior'. Religions in general promote positive 'behaviors', Chritianity specifically doesn't have a single 'moral' teaching or 'behavior' that is detrimental to the individual or the group in general.

English Common Law is bible based. The ideas of individual liberty and humans having 'rights' are biblically based. Why there is so much hatred out there for a group of people who believe that the basis of modern western society is a 'good' thing worthy of preserving is beyond me.

Like many things actually, clearly prophesied in the biblical texts "in the end times people will call evil good and good evil, lovers of themselves", its a paraphrase.

BTW, the valley of Meggido connects Haiffa to the Syrian plains through an otherwise impassible mountain chain. What's the capitol of Isreal?

 

[asjssl]

Not sure why you would hate religion I don't hate atheism just because I don't agree with it. I don't agree with same sex marriage but don't hate it.

If churches were all about dollars then it would make sense they would welcome gays a high percentage have good careers. Kind of blows that argument up.


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No...gays can't not make more children to bring in more to the rank and file..EVERYTHING is about $$ ..want to find the answer to something...follow the $$..

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