- A 'carrier', no matter the size, has many more expenses than a contractor-driver. 'Carriers' who are thinking of their business in a business sense, even if they are one-unit operations, aren't going to accept runs for the same reduced percentage-of-the-whole that a contractor-driver is contracted to run at.
- It is between a carrier and a carrier to ensure each party lives up to the contractual obligations of any contract between them.
- It is between a carrier and a contractor-driver to ensure each party lives up to the contractual obligations of any contract between them; if a contractor has definitive proof that his carrier has in fact awarded nice loads to a partner carrier while letting their own contractor sit and rot, this should be presented to the powers-that-be at said carrier's head office.
- As others have said, things go on which aren't necessarily displayed for the world to see, and as such, carriers may have what they feel to be valid reasoning for doing what they do. (ie a lock on one of their own contractor trucks for whatever reason because they believe something else is coming up)
- As others have also said, some companies use contractor-dispatchers in addition to their own employee-dispatchers; it may be possible that even if a load appears to be posted and open to other carriers to bid on or accept, it doesn't necessarily mean the carrier actually contracted with the outside carrier. It may just be a quick way to ensure the load will be covered in another way, if the main way doesn't work out for whatever reason.
- This is a stinky business, like any other where middlemen are involved, one in which the driver-contractor gets the short-end of the stick whenever it's a choice between carrier or driver-contractor getting a short end. Everyone looks out for number one, so make sure you are also looking out for number one.
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Dispatcher03
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Nobody is peeing on anybody's leg and telling them its raining. If your leg is wet of pee, you peed your pants.
I understand that you guys thing that EO is an elite site for expedite drivers. And I am not here to benefit you. I am here to benefit myself with my dispatch/driver relationship. But with the previous conversation, someone obviously thinks they have the latest information on the way the dispatch software works. I only was originally trying to explain to you drivers to stop feeding your dispatch B.S. about what you are doing when there is freight on the truck, and you might get some favoritism. I am not saying that every company does or does not have favoritism, but I will say that if you worked 1 day in my job, you will see that its hard not to even if you are trying not to. I have tried to not have any shade of favoritism for the longest time, but when it comes to a couple of drivers on our list, Im not going to bend over backwards for them. But the difference is they know that. Whereas some other companies (probably turtle's) might spend more time making you think things are one way, but in reality when that phone hangs up, its another. You must remember that I have dispatched for more than 1 company, and chances are turtle, I have given your comany a load for you, and vise versa. I guess we can agree to disagree on the Pinging of locations thing, but you cannot disagree that drivers fabricate things to dispatchers, and dispatchers fabricate things to drivers. The issue for me is, the same fabricated info you give me, I have to tell the customer. Which in turn, I can lose my job. Didnt know that did ya? Yeah. You drivers can cost the dispatchers their job based on what you told them, and whether they checked into it and found out it was true or not. Let me give you a common scenario that happened to me a few weeks ago.
I had a driver in Foristell, Mo. I got him a load picking up in Saint Louis, Mo. He just needed to take I-70. He had 4 hours to pickup. 1 hour before pickup he isnt moving. I called him and he said he was on the highway, but it was stop dead traffic. So, I called the customer and advised them of the situation. They told me there was no traffic. Here I am busted. So I check around, I ping his last location, and he was at the T/A there. So, I look at the traffic on that road, it says its fine. I said forget that and called the local Department of Transportation there. They said no traffic. I called Highway Patrol. They said no traffic. So I called the T/A. I asked the manager to peek out and see if she can find my truck and I gave her the truck number. She said that guy has been coming in and out of the store buying lights for his truck all day. I asked her what he was currently doing and she said him and another guy have been rewiring the trailer all day and they were still working on it. So I called the driver and asked him again. Hey how's the traffic. He says its still dead stop. I said yeah I just called another driver we got at the T/A over there and he is currently working on his trailer lights. He says traffic is bad too. He shut up. Guess what? He turned the load back. He said that his trailer lights wasn't working correctly and thought he could get them fixed in time but ran out of time. So, I had to call the customer, and tell them we couldnt do the load, hence lowering our carrier rating with that customer.
There are millions of scenarios like this.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Don't worry. The lying goes both ways. It's something you have to deal with.
Dispatcher03
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SSSSHHHHHH..... Third shift dispatcher. Not first, not even second, but third. So you have to allow for.... uhm, you have to be more.... er, uhm, well, you know. It's third shift. You know?
LDB, wouldnt "BS" qualify too? Because me and some other people been posting those. Just trying to clarify.
Turtle, I am classified as third shift. But, I work from 6 p.m. to 12p.m. Do the math. Thats 18hrs a day. Thats technically half of first shift, 1/4 of 2nd shift, and all of thrid shift. If you are implying that I have a lack of intelligence of any sort because I am on night shift, I regret to inform you that the only reason that I work night shift is because I cannot work during the day because of college classes I am taking and Seminars I do on post. Yeah on post. I am a veteran. You dont know me.
Freightdawg
Expert Expediter
Wow, work 18 hours and go to classes and seminars...no wonder you are cranky!
Dispatcher03
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Its serious though. I only get 3 to 4 hours of sleep a day. Maybe not exactly 18 hours a day, sometimes as little as 14 and as much as 18. Its not exact everyday. I am actually supposed to get off work at 6 every morning, but I work over to help get drivers rolling or stay rolling through the morning rush of loads at about 0600 to 1200. Many times off the clock. And I do feel good about it. Many times have I lost sleep over a driver sitting, and slept better with a driver on a good load. Seriously.
zero3nine
Veteran Expediter
Oh now you're up for sainthood because You work all night, half of it for free, always putting the drivers first eh? Some might call you a nice guy... others, like your company's owner, might say "sucker".
Something tells me no matter what anybody says, you somehow know better.
Anybody else in the snow got work? I'm heading out to throw some chains.
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Something tells me no matter what anybody says, you somehow know better.
Anybody else in the snow got work? I'm heading out to throw some chains.
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well first off this proves my point in the other thread, you do not understand the relationship with the contractor and carrier. The contractor is autonomous to the carrier, he/she is given an assignment and told to go within the limits, and it is the contractor's job to do the work. When the company gets involve in checking up with him, it is something that shows they are treating them as employees not as professionals. IT is your carrier's problem to weed out the bad ones and by checking the state police and all that, your carrier failed to do their job.
If there is one scenario, it is one too many.
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Dispatcher03
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Man you are really quick to bash other carriers aren't you? Anyway, I was simply stating a scenario at which communication had failed. As you may have skimmed over, We had 1 hr. of notice that there was a problem. We didnt have time to get another vehicle out there, and hadnt failed to do our job. We did do our job. But what I really want to know dave, is why do you keep bringing up people peeing? First you said "Peeing on someones leg and telling them its raining" and now its "Standing in a yellow puddle"... Do you wear depends? Yeah I went there. You obviously have no problem personally attacking me... and the company I work for.... And just because you dont understand our rates by my postings does not constitute that we have any flowers or pixy sticks in our office. What world are you in? Gah. Let me explain that the rates I was previously posting were all base rates w/o fuel surcharge. Not w/ fuel surcharge. Not w/ fuel surcharge. Dave.... Not w/fuel surcharge. Dave? you there? hello? Are you listening? Not w/ fuel surcharge. Not including fuel surcharge. The amount for fuel is not included. If you take the base pay, and dont add fuel, thats the rates I was discussing. Rates without fuel dave. Dave! without fuel. Hey! I want you to wakeup tonight in your bed, and shout without fuel. Because fuel is always changing, it is hard to discuss a carriers competitive rates when most carriers calculate fuel differently. So without fuel dave. So if I bid on a straight truck load for 1.64 dave, is that with or without fuel? Im gonna guess your still thinking that I am referring to with fuel. Its without fuel dave. Without. No fuel included.
Dispatcher,
You need to ease up a bit. You came in offering a viewpoint from dispatcher side, but you immediately begin blasting Panther, and putting down your drivers.
Seems to me, you may be giving just a *slight* bad impression here, kind of the stereotype allways right dispatcher....and then seem surprised when people fire back.
If this is not in fact the image you wish to portray, perhaps you should ease up a bit, and not attack everyone who questions what you say.
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You need to ease up a bit. You came in offering a viewpoint from dispatcher side, but you immediately begin blasting Panther, and putting down your drivers.
Seems to me, you may be giving just a *slight* bad impression here, kind of the stereotype allways right dispatcher....and then seem surprised when people fire back.
If this is not in fact the image you wish to portray, perhaps you should ease up a bit, and not attack everyone who questions what you say.
Dale
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Dispatcher03
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This is simple proof that you are wrong.
1) I am not catholic. So I cannot be up for sainthood.
2)You misunderstood why I posted that.
Dispatcher03
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Believe me, I dont like the conversations more than others do. I will try to ease up a bit. But if I am going to share information and experiences, people need to be open to my criticism of my own drivers, so they will understand the situation. Not bash me. If you havent noticed so far,
1)I dont know how to do my job
2)I dont know what hard work is
3)I dont my company
4)My company doesn't know me
5)My company doesn't know its drivers
6)Nobody here knows me
7)I dont know anybody here
8)Drivers here dont like dispatchers
9)Everything is my fault.
10)A driver is a contractor, so he did nothing wrong
11)A dispatcher is responsible for anything and everything, for not firing a driver if he lies, or misleads the carrier.
12)And my company doesnt have as many trucks as others do, so I dont know what I am talking about
13)Google maps is apparently different from computer to computer.
14)A lot of people pee on each other and on themselves
15)Panther evidently doesnt like people that dont like them.
16)If you are a moderator here, then you know expedite better than me
17) If I dont start agreeing with you guys, and not just agreeing to disagree, then I am not credible.
18)If I explain myself, then I am even more uncredible.
But I will catch on!!!
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Jack_Berry
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that is quite a laundry list of things that are wrong. i hope a lot of those points are tongue and cheek. if they are not present them at the festivus pole and let them go.
personally my wife and i like our dispatchers. some more than others but those we work with professionally.
mods don't know any more about expediting than anyone else we are just mods.
like i said in the oos thread you need to step back. catch your breath and re-examine your approach.
so here i ask one thing to get a simple and direct answer from you....2)You misunderstood why I posted that.
please clear up the misunderstanding.
personally my wife and i like our dispatchers. some more than others but those we work with professionally.
mods don't know any more about expediting than anyone else we are just mods.
like i said in the oos thread you need to step back. catch your breath and re-examine your approach.
so here i ask one thing to get a simple and direct answer from you....2)You misunderstood why I posted that.
please clear up the misunderstanding.
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