Goodbye "Don't ask. Don't tell."
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MrGautama
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That's not how it works Leo, if it's so good and wonderful you would not have a problem to make it your own. Not an hypothetical "somebody else" in your family but you and your marriage (if you are).
Let's see it in a different flavor, what happens if someone is against Republicans getting married?. So for now on gays and Republicans can get married, only can have civil unions. How would you like that?
It's very simple, both are specific groups in our society and to give privileges to one and not the other is discriminatory. Think about it, how would it affect you if a loving gay couple want to start a family by formalizing their love through marriage?. What do you care?, it can't be any further from your reality.
Hey I have a thing for 8 year old girls. I'm sure it's neurological but for some reason it isn't socially acceptable at the moment. But give it a few years and even a pervert like me will be in vogue. Well, me and Woody Allen.
Why do you twist and put your own spin on my words. I did not say pedophilia is a sexual choice. Quite the opposite. I said I have a thing for 8 year old girls. I have a predilection. I am neurologically wired to be attracted to 8 year old girls. It's a disease. I'm sick! I am a victim and I have rights!
Okay, just kidding about the 8 year old girls. I am really homophobic. I have a fear of homosexuals. It's a disease. I am scik (sic). So one night out west me and the boys were a drinkin' and a chasin' sheep. After a little ovine delight we lassoed a young adult homosexual and dragged him to death behind my van. Hey, it wern't my fault. Remember I'm homophobic. I gots me a disease. I'm a victim of my disease. I gots rights, right? Ifin' I wern't scik (sic) I wern't a done it. Jus like my wife when she put are lil' one in the microwave to dry. She were scik (sic) too. O lordy she gots dem post partum blues.
Or maybe it's my parents fault. Yea that's it. They taught me to be afraid of homosexuals. They can take the fall. Homophobics are people too. We have rights. Quit attaching negative conotations to the term homophobic. You vilify a large percent of the popultion that dares question anything related to the gay movement. Try and practice a little "diversity". Open your mind and heart to people with opposing views.
"Think of your fellow man
Lend him a helping hand
Put a little love in your heart
You see it's getting late
Oh, please don't hesitate
Put a little love in your heart
And the world will be a better place
And the world will be a better place
For you and me
You just wait and see..."
Jackie DeShannon
DougTravels
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That is the one question those against gay marriage can't or won't answer.
Why do they care? Or how does it affect them?
OK 2 questions.
It comes down to a simple fact it is against THEIR religion so they want to push it down everyone elses throats (hey that could sound a little gay).
It also is not a special right, Leo could then marry another man if he wanted.
Why do they care? Or how does it affect them?
OK 2 questions.
It comes down to a simple fact it is against THEIR religion so they want to push it down everyone elses throats (hey that could sound a little gay).
It also is not a special right, Leo could then marry another man if he wanted.
MrGautama
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Homophobics and racists are one in the same Moot, it's the same flavor with different colorant. Homophobics have the right to express their view just as the Klan can do so but I also have the right to call it a regressive social force.
By the way I imagine Jefferson was just kidding when he wrote "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".
By the way I imagine Jefferson was just kidding when he wrote "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".
OK, you want it personalized that's fine. If my bride ever decides to get rid of me and if I ever decided to get married again and if at that time I decide to have a male partner then it's fine with me if it's a civil union that has the same rights toward insurance, health decisions etc etc etc as a marriage to a woman. That should be acceptable. If it's not then it's not about any of those things, it's as Turtle (I think it was) clearly put it that it's about taking marriage away from religious heterosexuals and forcing homosexuality on everyone whether they want it or not, not as an active practice but as a mainstream lifestyle. Now you narrow minded folks who believe yourselves to be so broad minded and neutral thinking just jump right back in with your insults to my home etc. Certainly nothing more than that is expected of you.
DougTravels
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MrGautama
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No one is talking about religious marriage here Leo, just the civil one. Churches would have every right to deny, if they choose, a religious ceremony to gay couples. I don't think many gays are religious anyway after being abandoned by the church.
All they want is to be legally married and live a normal life, pretty much like you and I. Is that really too much to ask?.
T
Thepeacedog
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sexuality is a behavior. whether one is heterosexual, homosexual, or asexual for that matter, it is nothing more than
that. It doesn't matter if it is learned, inherited, chosen,or hereditary. for marriage to occur between two people simply because they demonstrate a behavior doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a problem with homosexuality. I just don't see where homosexuals get the idea they should be entitled to marry in the same sense as a man and woman. a behavior is not the same thing as a sex. a civil union is o.k.with me. if the same rights as marriage are available to them via civil union, what's the difference?
that. It doesn't matter if it is learned, inherited, chosen,or hereditary. for marriage to occur between two people simply because they demonstrate a behavior doesn't make sense to me. I don't have a problem with homosexuality. I just don't see where homosexuals get the idea they should be entitled to marry in the same sense as a man and woman. a behavior is not the same thing as a sex. a civil union is o.k.with me. if the same rights as marriage are available to them via civil union, what's the difference?
DougTravels
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Why do you care if they marry?
What is the difference to you?
MrG... looks like you got pegged( pun intended). Such anger from a man of peace. Most likely, the arrows found their mark too easily. To date, you've shown no capacity for offense nor defense... but, I do appreciate the comedic value of your rantings. Geez, had I known the ease of getting your knickers wet, the past few weeks could have been more entertaining.
Please pen more of the self-loathing cynicism lathered with pretense. It's a hoot.
Please pen more of the self-loathing cynicism lathered with pretense. It's a hoot.
T
Thepeacedog
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I don't care. I said I don't understand it. It makes no difference to me really. Why are you so angry about it?
arkjarhead
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For those of you that think it would be so awesome to let homosexuals be out in the open in the military let me ask you a question. Would you feel very comfortable getting completely nude and showering in front of a few homosexuals? I wouldn't. If you get mad at me for saying that then I guess you would get mad at a few females for saying they wouldn't feel comfortable getting nude and sharing a shower with me. Same thing. I'm attracted to females therefore most females would not want to get nude in front of me. Just like knowing that gay men are attracted to men I wouldn't feel comfortable showering in front of them or being nude in front of them period. Whether I'm "their type" or not. Guess I'm a homophobe.
On the point of not trusting women to have my back, I didn't. That's why I was a grunt. The women cried to much when it was time to train so I can only imagine how they would react in combat.
On the point of not trusting women to have my back, I didn't. That's why I was a grunt. The women cried to much when it was time to train so I can only imagine how they would react in combat.
DougTravels
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I am not angry in the least.
You asked where do gays get the idea that they should have the right to marry. I asked you, why do you care and how does gay marriage affect you?
Save the grand BS for yerself, Skippy. I've read the book, not because I care much one way or the other about gays and what they're after, but because the ways and means that advertisers and others put forth to manipulate people is something I've been a student of since probably high school, and the book is an excellent how-to for it.
As for the cut and paste and not bothering to reword it, well, duh, Einstein, that's why I included everything that I cut-n-pasted within quotation marks.
It's interesting that you avoided or completely dismissed the issues I pointed out, wholly unable to refute them or attack them, and instead attack the credibility of the messenger. It's a classic tactic. Spirited, vigorous, impassioned debate is something I enjoy, but when it sinks to the level of attacking the debater instead of the issues, particularly in baseless or falsified accusations, it ceases to be productive or enjoyable because any and all respect is gone.
Have a nice day.
While Obama gives lip service to the homosexual community, elective politics and his desire to get a second term will prevent B.O. from actually reversing the ban on "Don't ask. Don't tell." See how easily he caved on the issue of releasing photos of alleged prisoner abuse.
Obama will placate and humor the gay community. He will invite them to the White House. He will take their huge campaign contributions. At the end of the day, they get jilted again.
Still, the issue bears watching. That snarling Michelle isn't the only one to have his ear.
Obama will placate and humor the gay community. He will invite them to the White House. He will take their huge campaign contributions. At the end of the day, they get jilted again.
Still, the issue bears watching. That snarling Michelle isn't the only one to have his ear.
MrGautama
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Call me names if is the only thing you can resort to now that I got your number, so much for the free thinker. I've been appalled by your choice of sources, I mean MassResistance is just plain gullible but Dr Feelgood was just crazy.
Maybe you should have quoted your entire post to be a bit more honest or just posted the link and not bother.
The fact that I can see through your message and get to your agenda forces me to call it. I am attacking the messenger because it is at the same time the creator of the illusion you try to convey to your followers. If you were just dumb could be excusable to see through such a narrow lens but in your case it's a double sin by influencing people that rely on your opinion towards such a lowly end.
I feel a bit reticent to point you in the right direction due to the devastating consequences it may have to your psyche, but I think it would be a good idea to get an introduction to the American Propaganda Model through Chomsky's “Manufacturing Consent”; just get your hands on the video so you avoid going through the excruciating slow process of realizing how much have you been used by reading the book. After that there are plenty of other resources to get a real in-depth grasp of reality and escape the world of necessary illusions in which you live.
I always do, I don't have a choice.
MrGautama
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So for you homosexuality is only about sex?.
I don't get where you get the idea that only heterosexuals are entitled to marry. The difference between marriage and civil unions is the same as in equality and discrimination.
At this point in time you are enabling the discrimination of a minority in your own country. Is that something to be proud of?
MrGautama
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Well, I see you're still avoiding the issues and would prefer to attack me personally. How gay is that? Yeah, if you're so butt-stoopid that you cannot see quote marks, or cannot fathom what they mean, because of your twisted obsession with all things turtle, being called Skippy and Einstein should be the least of your worries. You've created screen names in the past to attack me for being a "creator of an illusion" in not footnoting everything to your satisfaction, and this screen name is no different. It's becoming tiresome and childish, and smells a little hawkish, if you get my drift, Snowflake. If you've got a problem with me, take it directly to me instead of hiding behind a plethora of screen names. Letzrock, baby-baby!
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