FedEx Custom Critical ???? Are they what they say they are??

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Dreamer

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Pookie.

How is your van set up, that you cant sleep with full load? WHY as a team would you set it up so you cant sleep full load? Is it a short van?


I have an E350 Extended Ford. With 2 skids, I still have almost 3 feet of space....... seems like plenty of room.


Im lost as to how it is unhealthy to allow my company to use all 8 feet I agreed to provide! Yes, I have the right to refuse a load. Refusing it because dimensions changed is not a valid reason! If it fits, it ships!

Dale

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layoutshooter

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Pookie.

How is your van set up, that you cant sleep with full load? WHY as a team would you set it up so you cant sleep full load? Is it a short van?


I have an E350 Extended Ford. With 2 skids, I still have almost 3 feet of space....... seems like plenty of room.


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Not much room for the hot tub Dale. :p
 

Dreamer

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LoL Joe and Kim... you've both met me. If I can sleep in a fully loaded van, anyone can!

:+)

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layoutshooter

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LoL Joe and Kim... you've both met me. If I can sleep in a fully loaded van, anyone can!

:+)

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Yeah, but I bet that I can't!! Let's see, exercise bike, hot tub, Bowflex machine, nope, no room for freight. Good thing I have a big sleeper!! :p

Some people are just picky, Dale.
 

pookie8me

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chevy 2500 reg.........maybe 9 feet but with doors it's 8 feet......there is no room to sleep if it is full.....but over 95 runs or so I'd say maybe 5-6 was full.....and during the day or rested......Yes I'm newer but not new....Fedex has measurements.....they know we are team....not sure what they thought....maybe we sleep in tent.....or on top of roof? No one said anything to us...

None of that is issue........if a load is unsafe then it is unsafe.....if someone else wants to run the way they want, then go ahead.....I don't care......the point is if I say it's not safe then it's not safe...get new truck for load. what is wrong is to be threatened to be put of of service because I feel unsafe....that is wrong......plus it's bad business...why would you put someone OOS for unsafe load? they can't make you money? isn't that biting the hand that feeds you? wouldn't you want safe drivers? or really do they want employees and just call them independent contractors.....because that is how some of you think and act

independent contractor..............look up def.......please would someone look it up..............

turtle I hear what you are saying.....most of it sounds good....and I see your point....but can you show me where it says you have to run full load? I haven't said I can't or won't...I have plenty of times.....but I said yes to 1....did not say yes to 2......so I have contract to build one porch....then I show up to your house and you want two porches? well? new deal....new load offer? Act as in independent contractor not an employee!!!!!!!!!! or just listen to what your pimp tells you....LOL
 

Dreamer

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Well, that explains a lot. Thats not a team van. Thats barely a single's van. Sounds like some eager recruiter signed you up, and someone else discoverd their mistake.

Bottom line, the equipment was wrong for the job you applied for.

Now, quit insulting everyone please... you never explained you didnt have the equipment this business requires. They naturally thought, as did I, you just didnt wanna sleep crossways!

Cant play anymore tonight, my loads ready!


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pookie8me

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LOL......oh you guys thought I was just a cry baby......nope.....and I didn't tell you we had two dogs...LOL...HAHAHAHHAHAHA.......one time we were so stuffed even the dogs were ****ed off....LOL...but it was an early night run....safe....well not really....dog gas leaks!!!!!!!! Told you if we could take load we would of............Heck we had 19 pieces or 5 sometimes or whatever......Drums not strapped....so we strapped them ourselves...all sorts....but if I say it's unsafe...it's unsafe.....was in mn blizzard...got stuck in gas station...LOL..we drove till we could....atlanta to wis dropped and had pu in Mn to fort collins co. back to back zero time in between Drop and PU......we run....run....run.....run....but if it is unsafe it is unsafe.

No one told me any different....they knew measurements.


Don't take it personal.....you guys don't listen to me anyway so whats the difference, LOL I get jabbed and jab back...sorry
 

dabluzman1

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chevy 2500 reg.........maybe 9 feet but with doors it's 8 feet......there is no room to sleep if it is full.....but over 95 runs or so I'd say maybe 5-6 was full.....and during the day or rested......Yes I'm newer but not new....Fedex has measurements.....they know we are team....not sure what they thought....maybe we sleep in tent.....or on top of roof? No one said anything to us...

None of that is issue........if a load is unsafe then it is unsafe.....if someone else wants to run the way they want, then go ahead.....I don't care......the point is if I say it's not safe then it's not safe...get new truck for load. what is wrong is to be threatened to be put of of service because I feel unsafe....that is wrong......plus it's bad business...why would you put someone OOS for unsafe load? they can't make you money? isn't that biting the hand that feeds you? wouldn't you want safe drivers? or really do they want employees and just call them independent contractors.....because that is how some of you think and act

independent contractor..............look up def.......please would someone look it up..............

turtle I hear what you are saying.....most of it sounds good....and I see your point....but can you show me where it says you have to run full load? I haven't said I can't or won't...I have plenty of times.....but I said yes to 1....did not say yes to 2......so I have contract to build one porch....then I show up to your house and you want two porches? well? new deal....new load offer? Act as in independent contractor not an employee!!!!!!!!!! or just listen to what your pimp tells you....LOL

Independent contractor, that second word is a form of contract.
Fedex had you sign one.
If your reason for a load being unsafe is because there is no room to sleep with a full 8 ft load.....DUH
Maybe you could post your contract for us to see to shed light on how Fedex viewed you, knew you and screwed you.:D
 

jansiemoo

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LOL......oh you guys thought I was just a cry baby......nope.....and I didn't tell you we had two dogs...LOL...HAHAHAHHAHAHA.......one time we were so stuffed even the dogs were ****ed off....LOL...but it was an early night run....safe....well not really....dog gas leaks!!!!!!!! Told you if we could take load we would of............Heck we had 19 pieces or 5 sometimes or whatever......Drums not strapped....so we strapped them ourselves...all sorts....but if I say it's unsafe...it's unsafe.....was in mn blizzard...got stuck in gas station...LOL..we drove till we could....atlanta to wis dropped and had pu in Mn to fort collins co. back to back zero time in between Drop and PU......we run....run....run.....run....but if it is unsafe it is unsafe.

No one told me any different....they knew measurements.


Don't take it personal.....you guys don't listen to me anyway so whats the difference, LOL I get jabbed and jab back...sorry

Sorry, snookie, uh, pookie, no one was 'jabbin' at you. You failed to mention DAYS AGO that you don't have the space to run per FedEx's specifications.
After everyone asked.
Repeatedly.
We asked and asked.
Try answering questions as straightforward as the questions are asked, you might not have this problem with 'people not listening'. I suspect you have this problem with a lot of people.
Oh, and so you know I'm 'listening', the person who signed you on as a team without sleeping quarters should be drawn and quartered. Mostly for causing this disasterous thread. ;)
 

LDB

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For the benefit of any other potential van operators reading this thread, you should only consider an extended van. You need the extra 30" or so for personal space. You must be able to sleep even when under maximum load. There will be times such as the one illustrated here that will require sleeping while under load to safely complete the job.

Potential operators need to pay close attention to one other important lesson from this thread. You must anticipate the potential for any job to change in any way either up or down and unless it either cancels or changes up beyond the capability of your unit to legally haul it that is your load and your responsibility regardless of the changes. You can argue the load isn't the load you accepted and therefore you are not obligated to the load, and technically that may be true, but that argument doesn't work with any company I've ever heard of and all contracts I've heard of are written in a way that won't support that argument.

In addition to the extended van, you should do yourself a favor and go with a one ton van. The added durability and strength of the chassis will potentially give you a much superior and long lived unit.
 

pookie8me

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Ha hahahahahahhha.......well I can't respond to everything everyone says......I'm a talker and I'll go on and on........and on and on...

ok I'll have to look again at it and will post my findings.......don't forget....you guys are company's.....why do you think your just at the mercy of a broker......

My van does meet all specs for loads.....there is no spec for sleeping.......under 10k pounds with no placarded Haz means we are not under DOT........that's right......you heard it.......Thats federal DOT......I don't know each states laws......but we b units do not fall under the same rules........no mileage limits or anything....no drug tests.....nothing.....as long as you don't haul placarded haz.......some company's have self imposed policy's to play it safe in case something goes wrong. Which may be a good idea for some cases......I think most people do not know their limits....so it's good for them.....for me maybe not....as you know I self impose and manage what I feel is safe....LOL

going back a few posts...........immature is taking any load no matter what.....immature is threatening to be put OOS........mature is knowing your limits and sticking your ground to what is safe.....

please someone google or yahoo independent contractor......please..........the lease or a lease is only to set up business with broker and they know your not a dirtball and equipment is safe......each load is a contract in itself.....it's a contract to do load , the time, money and freight......it's a contract for load.......it's a contract.....a contract.....of course things change......and you change contract......broker has to supply correct info.....
 

pookie8me

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BLING BLING here is some info:

they should add 4 e straps, 2 tie downs and 1 tow strap with hooks.......to needed gear

2 e straps for each skid
2 tie downs to wrap drums (always some dirtball half *** puts drums on skid unsafe)
1 tow strap with hooks to drag out 2nd skid



Vehicle Specifications

* Cargo payload capacity of 2,500 pounds
* Minimum 8-1/2' foot cargo bed
* 48" minimum width between wheel wells, door opening 48" high minimum, 48" wide
* Color must be white

Freight Securement

* 1/2" plywood floor
* One row E-Trac (above wheel wells)
* Two E-Trac ratcheting straps
* Two four-foot pieces of 2x4
* Hammer and nails

Vehicles must be no more than five years old from date of manufacture.
 

Turtle

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For the benefit of any other potential van operators reading this thread, you should only consider an extended van. You need the extra 30" or so for personal space. You must be able to sleep even when under maximum load. There will be times such as the one illustrated here that will require sleeping while under load to safely complete the job.
My first van was a short wheelbase E-350, just like a lot of them out there. When I had 2 skids in there, they were pushed up to the backs of the seats, no place to sleep. My second load ever was Chicago to San Francisco, and I had to grab sleep in motels along the way. After the second motel I knew what my next van wasn't going to be. Then I got load after load with a Friday pickup for Monday delivery, no place to sleep for 2 or 3 nights, even with one skid in there, not comfortably. There were also many longer loads which didn't require sleep, but it sure would have been nice to be able to pull over and take an hour nap on a few of those runs. Like Leo says, "You must be able to sleep even when under maximum load." That cannot be stressed enough for safety (and sanity reasons, since if you don't get enough sleep you'll go crazy, as parts of this thread clearly illustrates).


Yes, you're an independent contractor, and yes you can turn down loads, but you have also contracted 8-feet of your van to be used as cargo space, and that space is to be available at all times you are in-service - period. If you turn down loads because that space isn't available for whatever reason you like to put forth, then you are in breach of contract. It's as simple as that. And your contract will likely get pulled.

Customers order cargo vans all the time without knowing the final dimensions. All they know is that it will fit in a cargo van. Many times the 3rd party who is booking the load doesn't know what the final dimensions are, either. Loads get booked all the time with incorrect dimensions. But it doesn't matter, since the customer is renting the entire cargo space of the truck, exclusive use of the truck. That's why it costs them the same to ship 2 skids at 2500 pounds as it does to ship a one pound box or an envelope. If you show up and it won't fit on any cargo van because it needs to go on a bigger truck, it's not your problem. But if they order a cargo van and you show up with half a cargo van, you've got a problem. Being able to turn down loads is irrelevant here, because the carrier promised to deliver the load based on what you contracted to provide, and you failed to provide it.

The customer couldn't care less why you couldn't take the load, and neither could the carrier. All they know is you failed to live up to your contractual obligations. You can whine and cry all you want in trying to justify being in breach of contract, but it won't change the fact that you're in breach of contract.
 

zero3nine

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So you are saying Fedex recruiters are liars? After reading what was told to ljubisa and reading the original post by timberland about trying to verify some things he was told by a Fedex recruiter I would have to agree with you. Seems to be a pattern here with Fedex recruiters putting out misinformation just to sign on O/O.

Without bothering to read this entire thread, I will just add this tidbit:

Over the years I have recruited or hired literally hundreds of drivers, maybe even a thousand. Let's face facts here, most drivers are not what you might call geniuses. The majority of them tend to hear what they want to hear, including "guarantees " that were no more than estimates of potential income. In the case of the hourly employees it never fails that they think they are entitled to overtime while labor laws dictate otherwise. In 20+ times I've been dragged into labor board hearings, my company never lost a case, and furthermore the plaintiff is then denied unemployment benefits.

My point being that many people exist in a cloud of wishful thinking and if only they could stick their heads up and look around before they charge forward, they might be able to hit the ground running instead of tumbling head over heels.

I seriously have my doubts that any Fedex recruiter guaranteed any amount of income. My bet is that in each case they said something like "You can make $x.xx per week or even more, in fact we have a few drivers who make twice that, its all up to YOU."

Just saying...

fired at you from my Droideka
 

pookie8me

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turtle you sound smarter then most on here.......did you look up def independent contractor?????

i did not see what you are saying in contract??????? I'll look again.....


why would we be offered any loads then? why give details? just given orders and do them? does not make sense.....sorry turtle I have hope for you........your smarter then that.......you sound a little fishy....no pun intended.....are you an employee for a company? .... ... I said yes to 1 skid and was at pu ontime and ready for 1 skid......an offer is a contract.....the lease is not contract for load......it is merely making sure your equipment meets standards.....it does not say anything about what loads you have to take.......still looking for it somewhere....still looking......no haven't found it.....but I'll keep looking.....

a load offer is a contract for that load.................not sure how to explain it.................you say if you can do that load or not....with info provided.....info changes.....contract changes.....come on turtle....independent contractor......I think some of you are misinformed......come on turtle your smarter then that.......whine and cry? LOL well then why are you here baby sitting? come on turtle keep thinking and know you can do it........turtle....a load offer? load contract? come on turtle each load is contract for that load.......LOL
 

Dreamer

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Ah pookie, ya dont get it lol. Yep, we're independent contractors. We can refuse a load. But, if we cause a service failure, we can be reviewed.

Your "refusal for safety" pointed out that you indeed did NOT really have available what your contract REQUIRES you to have available.... you posted it....8 1/2 feet! You basically told them I cannot safely run a team load of 8 1/2 feet which I agreed I could do.

You agreed to a contract that stated if they leased your vehicle, you would have 8 1/2 feet of space available, straps, etc.

You shot yourself!

Good luck finding someone to hire your one skid van. Because thats what you REALLY have.


Dale

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Turtle

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turtle you sound smarter then most on here.......
It's a facade. I'm really an idiot.

did you look up def independent contractor?????
Yes, I have, and I know how it applies within the scope of a lease contract with a carrier.

i did not see what you are saying in contract??????? I'll look again.....
You didn't see it? But you posted it yourself. How could you not see it?

an offer is a contract.....the lease is not contract for load......it is merely making sure your equipment meets standards.....
Yes, exactly, and you showed up to a shipper with equipment that did not meet the standards agreed to in the contractor lease.

turtle....a load offer? load contract? come on turtle each load is contract for that load.......LOL
Yes, it is a contact for that load, but the load contract is a predeterminative of your contract lease with the carrier, meaning once you accept the load offer as a load contract, you are still contractually bound by the terms and conditions of the contract lease, not the least of which is the minimum cargo carrying capacity of the vehicle, even if the terms of the load contract change, as long as those changes fall within the scope of the lease contract, which they did in this case.

If you accepted a two-skid load and when you got there it was a three-skid load, you can then turn it down because the load is more than you are contractually obligated to haul. But if you accept a one-skid load that turns out to be a two-skid load, since you are already contractually obligated to haul two-skids loads, you can't refuse the load simply because it is a two-skid load. Sorry. There must be something else about the load that puts it outside of the minimum equipment standards you agreed to provide in the lease contract.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Teaming in a short wheelbase cargo van with 2 dogs? Who says there's no entertainment on EO anymore? I always like to start my day with a good laugh.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Until Mr Pookie can understand the difference between what he is contracted to do [pick up & deliver the load] & what he would prefer to do [sleep in comfort every night], he is destined to repeat his error, and continue blaming someone else.
PS When teaming in a van, I once napped on top of the freight [not while moving] because that was the only space left - it never occurred to us to refuse the load that took up the whole space for one night's inconvenience. And the crick in my neck didn't last long, anyhow.:D

 
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