Breaking News: The Romney campaign announces Paul Ryan will be the VP running mate.

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ya don't get "slammed"..you get disagreed with...gee whiz....


Depends on who it is. I have NO problem with honest disagreement. I learn from it.

I too hear the same 'broken record' all the time. If I don't vote for Romney I am the cause of the problem. If I did not back Ron Paul I was the cause of the problem. Just how it is in here.
 

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Depends on who it is. I have NO problem with honest disagreement. I learn from it.

I too hear the same 'broken record' all the time. If I don't vote for Romney I am the cause of the problem. If I did not back Ron Paul I was the cause of the problem. Just how it is in here.

True enough...so very few actually post their opinions...so of course it is going to sound like a broken record....you are not going to change your core beliefs and neither are the rest like Leo, Dennis, Hawk......they are set in stone...
 

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Like I said how would you do it? How would you start the process? What you gave is the details of the finished job.

The only way it can be done is with a totally different congress and a president who is capable of leading instead of bossing or ruling. One who cares about the Constitution more than power or enrichment.

I cannot do it, I will never be in that position. The ONLY thing I can do is TRY to put someone into office that is like that. I can only affect a very few offices. On the federal level I can only vote for 1 congressman, 2 senators and president. I vote for who I feel will come the closet to my beliefs. This year, as in all other past years, no one even comes close.

So what would you have me do? Vote for one of the two candidates that I am opposed too? Is that the answer to the problems we face?
 

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True enough...so very few actually post their opinions...so of course it is going to sound like a broken record....you are not going to change your core beliefs and neither are the rest like Leo, Dennis, Hawk......they are set in stone...

"Core beliefs" or "core values" SHOULD be set in stone. They are the basis for how you live your life and the guide for the choices one makes.
 

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I can see your point...taking the 2nd best option is not like an option at all....a vote for 2nd best is like saying you agree with the person, when you actually don't...
 

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"Core beliefs" or "core values" SHOULD be set in stone. They are the basis for how you live your life and the guide for the choices one makes.

absolutely..."core beliefs" is what make you a person....it is how you live, it is how you raise your children....and they are YOUR core beliefs...as it should be....right or wrong to someone else's is immaterial...
 

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I can see your point...taking the 2nd best option is not like an option at all....a vote for 2nd best is like saying you agree with the person, when you actually don't...

That is all I am saying. I have my reasons for not liking Romney and they are solely my reasons based on my value system. It is my vote. I choose to use it as I see fit based on my beliefs and values.
 

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absolutely..."core beliefs" is what make you a person....it is how you live, it is how you raise your children....and they are YOUR core beliefs...as it should be....right or wrong to someone else's is immaterial...

That is correct. That is why I can't stand many politicians, they have no core values. They flip flop around, based on polls etc., just to remain in power. Romney and Obama are prime examples of that.
 

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This Country didn't get broken in the last five years, and you're not going to fix it in five years. We will need to slowly get people to see that the Country as founded was better for Americans then what the Country has morphed into.
 

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That is correct. That is why I can't stand many politicians, they have no core values. They flip flop around, based on polls etc., just to remain in power. Romney and Obama are prime examples of that.

The Roman Senators probably did the same thing...LOL
 

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This Country didn't get broken in the last five years, and you're not going to fix it in five years. We will need to slowly get people to see that the Country as founded was better for Americans then what the Country has morphed into.

I agree....it'll be a long road just to get it back to center...and the people will have to keep the pressure on them....it may even take a 100 years to do so....but if they can at least stop the direction the country is going...
 

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This Country didn't get broken in the last five years, and you're not going to fix it in five years. We will need to slowly get people to see that the Country as founded was better for Americans then what the Country has morphed into.

I understand that. I just don't believe that Romney will do ANYTHING to affect that change. To my way of thinking, and that is all I have to base my vote on, I have a choice between Obama one or Obama two.

I am beginning to think that the only way things are going to get fixed is for the entire country to collapse. There are just far too many in the 'dependent class' now to overcome. That was the plan and it worked. Dependent people can, and will, be controlled. I am beginning to believe that things have gone too far to be fixed.
 

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I understand that. I just don't believe that Romney will do ANYTHING to affect that change. To my way of thinking, and that is all I have to base my vote on, I have a choice between Obama one or Obama two.

I am beginning to think that the only way things are going to get fixed is for the entire country to collapse. There are just far too many in the 'dependent class' now to overcome. That was the plan and it worked. Dependent people can, and will, be controlled. I am beginning to believe that things have gone too far to be fixed.

and that is your opinion...the people have a right to chose that way of life....
 

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and that is your opinion...the people have a right to chose that way of life....


IF they are free to chose it AND have the tools to make a valid choice. The goal of this, and every, government is to work towards the day when people are SO dependent and SO weak in spirit that they will choose slavery they call 'security' over the 'uncertainty' known as freedom. This government has been, and is getting better at, doing exactly that.

My right to live as I choose it being taken from me. That is NOT an opinion, that is a fact. I choose to not give it up, even if it means fighting to keep it. That too is a fact.
 

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IF they are free to chose it AND have the tools to make a valid choice. The goal of this, and every, government is to work towards the day when people are SO dependent and SO weak in spirit that they will choose slavery they call 'security' over the 'uncertainty' known as freedom. This government has been, and is getting better at, doing exactly that.

My right to live as I choose it being taken from me. That is NOT an opinion, that is a fact. I choose to not give it up, even if it means fighting to keep it. That too is a fact.

Then so be it....that is what it is all about....like Burger King.....you can have it your way...LOL
 

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Like I said how would you do it? How would you start the process? What you gave is the details of the finished job.



LOS said:
The only way it can be done is with a totally different congress and a president who is capable of leading instead of bossing or ruling. One who cares about the Constitution more than power or enrichment.

I cannot do it, I will never be in that position.
Did you forget that you are not alone? There are many people that want things to be brought back to what the Founders wrote.
The ONLY thing I can do is TRY to put someone into office that is like that.
Or closer to that than the the other person running for election. We will need to slow down the death spiral before we can stop it.
I can only affect a very few offices.
Not so, you elect numerous local office holders.
On the federal level I can only vote for 1 congressman, 2 senators and president.
Many started out at the local level, and used that as a spring board to be at the National level.
I vote for who I feel will come the closet to my beliefs.
Thats great as long as they get us back to the basics of the Constitution. Especially if they can get elected and not just a feel good vote. This year,
as in all other past years, no one even comes close.
You must have some God like beliefs.

So what would you have me do? Vote for one of the two candidates that I am opposed too? Is that the answer to the problems we face?
Get involved at the local level, thats where it all starts. (for the most part)
 
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