Boycott the NFL

skyraider

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Cyberspace--------------------


(1) A metaphor for describing the non-physical terrain created by computer systems. Online systems, for example, create a cyberspace within which people can communicate with one another (via e-mail), do research, or simply window shop. Like physical space, cyberspace contains objects (files, mail messages, graphics, etc.) and different modes of transportation and delivery. Unlike real space, though, exploring cyberspace does not require any physical movement other than pressing keys on a keyboard or moving a mouse.


Some programs, particularly computer games, are designed to create a special cyberspace, one that resembles physical reality in some ways but defies it in others. In its extreme form, called virtual reality, users are presented with visual, auditory, and even tactile feedback that makes cyberspace feel real.
The term was coined by author William Gibson in his sci-fi novel Neuromancer (1984).
 

Tennesseahawk

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First off, we ARE bombarded with Obama worshipping commercials, on a daily basis. They put up TONS of lies about HealthCare.gov, even during football games. In the mean time I will be forced to endure some of the more disgusting commercials that they show now. The MUTE button is one of my favorite buttons. There are many who are offended by MANY of the commercials that the NFL, and every other show, airs. Why is it they have no problem offending us? If they continues to degrade, I will shut them off. Just as I have just about shut off hockey due to the degredation of the product it self.

Second off, the ONLY thing I said about not airing this is I believe it is bad marketing. I never said that they should be FORCED to do anything.

First off, are they during NFL football games? If so, I musta missed them. That's saying a lot, since I watch every Seahawk game. I'll have to keep mine eyes open better, and watch for commercials that would destroy my entertainment, rather than not watch for them, and be entertained instead.

You know what? On second thought, BREAD AND CIRCUSES!!!
 

layoutshooter

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First off, are they during NFL football games? If so, I musta missed them. That's saying a lot, since I watch every Seahawk game. I'll have to keep mine eyes open better, and watch for commercials that would destroy my entertainment, rather than not watch for them, and be entertained instead.

You know what? On second thought, BREAD AND CIRCUSES!!!

OVM says I can't answer that anymore because I was offending you. :p
 

Turtle

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If they refuse advertising for driving, drinking, gaming, travel or whatever that's different because those are privileges not rights. They are completely optional and their option has just run out.
Wow. I learned today that travel and freedom of movement is now a privilege and is no longer protected by the US Constitution, Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1... or the Fourth Amendment.

EO is a veritable font of information. :)
 

layoutshooter

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Wow. I learned today that travel and freedom of movement is now a privilege and is no longer protected by the US Constitution, Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1... or the Fourth Amendment.

EO is a veritable font of information. :)

Bout time you got edumacated.
 

Moot

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Yes, I do believe they have the choice of airing or not airing what they choose, some to a lot of which offends in one way or another. When their choice counters one of our rights, whether personal defense or free speech or whatever, that's when it becomes the current situation and they are to be shunned.
How would you feel if the NFL aired a commercial about the benefits of womb invasion by Dyson Vacuum Cleaners featuring Radial Root Cyclone Technology™ ? Abortion is still a woman's right.
 

cheri1122

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You're creating a false premise in order to create a false charge of hypocrisy. The only ads they specifically reject for violence are those for video games, movies or other media which contain excessively violent material. They don't reject any and all ads which contain violence. And they don't reject ads for alcohol, they only reject ads for distilled spirits and flavored malt beverages, which they don't sell at stadiums nor allow patrons to bring into the stadium.

You're splitting hairs [as is the NFL]: violence is violence, and "excessive" is in the eye of the beholder. When high school kids are getting brain injuries playing football, it seems excessive could certainly apply to the pros. Some of those tackles are literally bone breaking.
And the alcohol? Are they trying to imply that distilled spirits and flavored malt beverages are not as bad as beer? Because anyone who has ever attended a game knows better. And believe it or not, I have attended an NFL game - once.:rolleyes:
They can't be rejecting the ads because they don't sell the product, lol.
My point was that the NFL is making moral judgements on the very things they make a [very handsome] profit from selling, and I find that amusing.
 
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cheri1122

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Ok, twice I fixed the transposition of "distilled spirits and flavored malt beverages are not as bad as beer" , and it still reads wrong. Sorry, I meant it the other way round: "beer is not as bad as distilled spirits etc".
Apparently, Bailey's is pretty bad, too....;)
 

Ragman

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Apparently, Bailey's is pretty bad, too....;)

Except when mixed with coffee.

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layoutshooter

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You're splitting hairs [as is the NFL]: violence is violence, and "excessive" is in the eye of the beholder. When high school kids are getting brain injuries playing football, it seems excessive could certainly apply to the pros. Some of those tackles are literally bone breaking.
And the alcohol? Are they trying to imply that distilled spirits and flavored malt beverages are not as bad as beer? Because anyone who has ever attended a game knows better. And believe it or not, I have attended an NFL game - once.:rolleyes:
They can't be rejecting the ads because they don't sell the product, lol.
My point was that the NFL is making moral judgements on the very things they make a [very handsome] profit from selling, and I find that amusing.

I DOUBT that many, if any, kids involved in the shooting sports have had brain injuries. Guns don't cause brain injuries, defensive backs do!

I would also bet that there are FAR more pro football players and basketball players with felony records than there are professional shooters. Football and basketball causes felons.
 

Turtle

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You're splitting hairs [as is the NFL]: violence is violence, and "excessive" is in the eye of the beholder. When high school kids are getting brain injuries playing football, it seems excessive could certainly apply to the pros. Some of those tackles are literally bone breaking.
Tom and Jerry cartoon are extremely violent. Violence is violence. In this case, the eye of the beholder regarding the NFL's Advertising Policy is, uhm, you know, the NFL.

The fact that injuries happen to high school kids playing football, or to the pros playing football, does not in and of itself constitute excessive. The NFL and all organized football leagues have specific rules prohibiting excessive violence, actually. The top 10 most dangerous sports, where injuries are the most frequent and the most severe, where you are the most likely to get injured or killed are:
Cheerleading
Horseback Riding
Bull Riding
Gymnastics
Football
Hockey
Lacrosse
Motocross
Rugby
Soccer
(number 11 is surfing and number 12 is weightlifting)

And the alcohol? Are they trying to imply that distilled spirits and flavored malt beverages are not as bad as beer? Because anyone who has ever attended a game knows better. And believe it or not, I have attended an NFL game - once.:rolleyes:
I think it's crystal clear what they are implying. They are implying that they won't accept advertising for distilled spirits or flavored malt beverages.

They can't be rejecting the ads because they don't sell the product, lol.
My point was that the NFL is making moral judgements on the very things they make a [very handsome] profit from selling, and I find that amusing.
You call it moral judgements, they call it business decisions. You think any activity where a child can get any level of brain damage constitutes excessive violence, other people disagree. You subscribe to the "a drink is a drink is a drink" myth believing that beer, wine and liquor are all the same, other people know better.
 
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Turtle

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Ok, twice I fixed the transposition of "distilled spirits and flavored malt beverages are not as bad as beer" , and it still reads wrong. Sorry, I meant it the other way round: "beer is not as bad as distilled spirits etc".
Apparently, Bailey's is pretty bad, too....;)
The reason you've having trouble is twofold: one you buy into the myth that beer, wine and liquor are the same; and two, you are trying (still) to create a false premise in order to level a charge of hypocrisy.

Despite what you may have been told or believe, beer and hard liquor are not the same. You hear it all the time where one 12-ounce beer has about the same amount of alcohol as one 5-ounce glass of wine, or 1.5-ounce shot of liquor. It is the amount of alcohol consumed that affects a person most, not the type of alcoholic drink. And all that is true... except....

A standard Scotch on the rocks is equal to 1.5 beers, a Piña Colada has the alcohol content of more than two beers and a Long Island Iced Tea contains as much alcohol as five to six beers. A bottle of beer is a finished product with a set alcohol content, pre-measured and easy to keep track of. Hard liquor is a concentrated product whose alcohol content can vary depending on proof, and whether it’s mixed with other beverages, or whether the bartender uses a jigger to measure. The bottom line is, when you are served a drink made with hard liquor, it is difficult to know how much you are actually getting, and in most cases it is more than the 1.5 oz. recommended serving size.

It is harder to control the amount of alcohol you consume if you drink hard liquor as opposed to beer or wine and are not fooled by the "a drink is a drink" theory. The fact is distilled hard liquor is more potent and can be consumed more quickly.

The NFL simply chooses not to associate itself with makers of distilled spirits. One reason for the no hard liquor sponsorship association is the fact that many sports bars are only licensed to sell beer on Sundays.
 

Turtle

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I DOUBT that many, if any, kids involved in the shooting sports have had brain injuries. Guns don't cause brain injuries, defensive backs do!
Last month near where I live a 12-year old kid fell out of a deer stand and suffered a severe concussion.

Three years ago a friend of mine's 9 year old nephew what shot in the head by his 11-year old cousin while they and the 9-year old's father were out squirrel hunting. This happened where they live in Petersburg, WV. A portion of his skull had to be removed because of the swelling that had occurred. He was placed on a ventilator and put in the Pediatric ICU. 10 days later, he was transferred to a rehabilitation hospital where he had to relearn how to talk and reuse his right side which had lost almost all movement. He spent a month in rehab. Two months after his accident he had his skull put back in. Three years later he is much improved, but he still has some memory and speech problems.

And these are just the two that I personally know about. I find it hard to believe those are the only two. Especially since when I was a kid in eight grade me and my friend came scary close to an accident due to a really stupid move on my part (just brain dead stupid, embarrassingly stupid, Hunting 101 stupid, because I knew better). I had a single-shot breach 410 shotgun that was designed to look like a Winchester Model 1982 rifle (same one used in the TV show The Rifleman). The hammer had a rather long stem (the part you pull back with your thumb to сock the hammer). We laid our guns on the ground and hopped a fence, then pulled the guns through the fence. The hammer stem caught one of the wires in the fence and сocked the hammer just enough to not have it catch, but plenty enough to have it fire the gun when the wire let it go. The shot took out an 8-inch circle of leaves in the tree about a foot above my friend's head. Yes, I know the safety should have been on and yes I know the gun should have been broken and unloaded, but these are exactly the kinds of situations that comprise a few of the accidents that make up the 1000 or so hunting accidents in the US every year.

I would also bet that there are FAR more pro football players and basketball players with felony records than there are professional shooters. Football and basketball causes felons.
That's a safe bet considering that it's illegal for a convicted felon to possess a firearm or ammunition. :D

If it's worth anything, though, the national arrest rate for all men ages 22-to-34 since 2000 is 9.9 percent (which is really surprisingly high), while the arrest rate for men in the NFL is 3.5 percent.
 
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