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Last month near where I live a 12-year old kid fell out of a deer stand and suffered a severe concussion.

Three years ago a friend of mine's 9 year old nephew what shot in the head by his 11-year old cousin while they and the 9-year old's father were out squirrel hunting. This happened where they live in Petersburg, WV. A portion of his skull had to be removed because of the swelling that had occurred. He was placed on a ventilator and put in the Pediatric ICU. 10 days later, he was transferred to a rehabilitation hospital where he had to relearn how to talk and reuse his right side which had lost almost all movement. He spent a month in rehab. Two months after his accident he had his skull put back in. Three years later he is much improved, but he still has some memory and speech problems.

And these are just the two that I personally know about. I find it hard to believe those are the only two. Especially since when I was a kid in eight grade me and my friend came scary close to an accident due to a really stupid move on my part (just brain dead stupid, embarrassingly stupid, Hunting 101 stupid, because I knew better). I had a single-shot breach 410 shotgun that was designed to look like a Winchester Model 1982 rifle (same one used in the TV show The Rifleman). The hammer had a rather long stem (the part you pull back with your thumb to сock the hammer). We laid our guns on the ground and hopped a fence, then pulled the guns through the fence. The hammer stem caught one of the wires in the fence and сocked the hammer just enough to not have it catch, but plenty enough to have it fire the gun when the wire let it go. The shot took out an 8-inch circle of leaves in the tree about a foot above my friend's head. Yes, I know the safety should have been on and yes I know the gun should have been broken and unloaded, but these are exactly the kinds of situations that comprise a few of the accidents that make up the 1000 or so hunting accidents in the US every year.

That's a safe bet considering that it's illegal for a convicted felon to possess a firearm or ammunition. :D

If it's worth anything, though, the national arrest rate for all men ages 22-to-34 since 2000 is 9.9 percent (which is really surprisingly high), while the arrest rate for men in the NFL is 3.5 percent.

I never said that the shooting sports were accident free. I said, correctly, that they have some of the lowest accident rates of a participation sports. That is a fact. I posted some state on that earlier in the thread. 1000 hunting accidents, per year, is VERY low compared to other sports. I THINK that chart is posted said that the rate per 100K is 1.8. Football was 15.

Accidental gun deaths are around 700 per year and the accident rates have dropped almost 50% in the last decade or so, despite increases in firearms ownership. Programs the NRA "Eddie Eagle" youth firearms safety classes are a big reason why that is so.

Eddie Eagle GunSafe|Eddie Eagle GunSafe

I would like to see, if it were possible to see the arrest rate for those who are in organized shooting sports. You know, competition trap, skeet etc. My gut tells me that it is lower than the national average. Lower than the NFL and NBA as well. Why would I think that? Parents are inclined to participate with their children. Shooting WITH them rather than turning them over to a coach. I have also never seen parents fighting in the stands like we see from time to time in other sports.

The fact remains, no matter who you look at it, shooting sports are some of the safest of all participation sports, have been for a VERY long time, and accident rates continue to drop.
 

letzrockexpress

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And these are just the two that I personally know about. I find it hard to believe those are the only two.

They definitely are not the only two instances where "stuff" happens.

On the day after Thanksgiving 1978 A friend and I were getting ready for Ohio deer gun season. In our state at that time you could use only a 12g, 20g, or .410 shotgun with a slug to hunt deer. We were in a field at his grandfather's farm, shooting at various targets, cans, etc. At the time I was shooting a 12 gauge Mossberg bolt action shotgun. I had been having trouble with the bolt operating properly. It was a particularly cold day and thinking it might need a little oil, I oiled it.

A few minute later when it was my turn to shoot I raised the gun to my shoulder and squeezed. We still don't know exactly what happend but the shell exploded out the back of the casing. The explosion blew burning powder back into my eye and the sound, deafening as it was, caused me to temporarily got deaf in my left ear. All standard safety precautions had been taken. Obviously it could have been much worse. Fast forward, the injuries were temporary with vision and hearing back to normal. No crime was committed. It just happened.

Another time, the same friend's father was in a field hunting rabbits and stopped to take a rest. He lowered his shot gun to the ground, on it's butt, barrel pointing upward, and reached into his pocket for a cigarette. He swears the safety was on but when the butt landed on the ground it went off. he ended up with buckshot in one of his eyes, I forget which one, and ended up with blurred vision in that eye for the rest of his life.

Again, like Turtle said, these are only a few of the stories I know about. I have many more, these are just ones I remembered off the top of my head.
 

zorry

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The arrest rate for the NFL and NBA would be higher than that of the blue collar kids that shot with Mom or Dad.

Because of the environment they grew up in.
And who knows , maybe Mom and Dad did teach them to shoot. Someone did.
 

layoutshooter

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They definitely are not the only two instances where "stuff" happens.

On the day after Thanksgiving 1978 A friend and I were getting ready for Ohio deer gun season. In our state at that time you could use only a 12g, 20g, or .410 shotgun with a slug to hunt deer. We were in a field at his grandfather's farm, shooting at various targets, cans, etc. At the time I was shooting a 12 gauge Mossberg bolt action shotgun. I had been having trouble with the bolt operating properly. It was a particularly cold day and thinking it might need a little oil, I oiled it.

A few minute later when it was my turn to shoot I raised the gun to my shoulder and squeezed. We still don't know exactly what happend but the shell exploded out the back of the casing. The explosion blew burning powder back into my eye and the sound, deafening as it was, caused me to temporarily got deaf in my left ear. All standard safety precautions had been taken. Obviously it could have been much worse. Fast forward, the injuries were temporary with vision and hearing back to normal. No crime was committed. It just happened.

Another time, the same friend's father was in a field hunting rabbits and stopped to take a rest. He lowered his shot gun to the ground, on it's butt, barrel pointing upward, and reached into his pocket for a cigarette. He swears the safety was on but when the butt landed on the ground it went off. he ended up with buckshot in one of his eyes, I forget which one, and ended up with blurred vision in that eye for the rest of his life.

Again, like Turtle said, these are only a few of the stories I know about. I have many more, these are just ones I remembered off the top of my head.

Again, the stats PROVE beyond any doubt, that shooting sports, including hunting, are some of the most safest of all participation sports. As so many in here are so fond of saying, your sphere of knowlege is too small. Look at the national stats, over decades, and the true answer will be known.

Almost nothing than man does is free of accident, and likely never will be. Almost nothing is free of deaths, and likely never will be. Nothing will EVER change the leading cause of death, which is EXACTLY the same world wide, conception. Once conceived, everyone dies. Most everyone will get hurt, many seriously. Nothing will ever change any of that

I have NO idea why in the world your grandfather would be using buckshot to hunt rabbit with. That makes NO sense what so ever. That is the FIRST time in my life that I have heard of someone doing that.
 

layoutshooter

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The arrest rate for the NFL and NBA would be higher than that of the blue collar kids that shot with Mom or Dad.

Because of the environment they grew up in.
And who knows , maybe Mom and Dad did teach them to shoot. Someone did.

Who taught who to shoot? I don't know what "blue collar" has to do with it. Participation in shooting sports spans all economic groups from dirt poor to filthy rich and all points in between.
 

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Apparently someone has either bought huge amounts of stock in or just gotten a mancrush on whatever the idiotic thing is that stupid television shows are loading dialogue with "hashtag" whatever.
 

RLENT

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Apparently someone has either bought huge amounts of stock in or just gotten a mancrush on whatever the idiotic thing is that stupid television shows are loading dialogue with "hashtag" whatever.
Better that I suppose than being enraged over monies that I wasn't forced to pay ... ;)
 

letzrockexpress

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Again, the stats PROVE beyond any doubt, that shooting sports, including hunting, are some of the most safest of all participation sports. As so many in here are so fond of saying, your sphere of knowlege is too small. Look at the national stats, over decades, and the true answer will be known.

Almost nothing than man does is free of accident, and likely never will be. Almost nothing is free of deaths, and likely never will be. Nothing will EVER change the leading cause of death, which is EXACTLY the same world wide, conception. Once conceived, everyone dies. Most everyone will get hurt, many seriously. Nothing will ever change any of that

I have NO idea why in the world your grandfather would be using buckshot to hunt rabbit with. That makes NO sense what so ever. That is the FIRST time in my life that I have heard of someone doing that.

Not surprisingly, you have totally missed the point. The point is that I have, Turtle has, and many others out there have personal knowledge of instances where bad things have happened to people we know while shooting a gun. Who do you know of, personally, who has had a debilitating injury due to playing football? Name just one. I can't name one. I don't know what your reading comprehension is but it was not my grand father, it was my friend's father. It probably wasn't buck shot. It was shot though. Time has eroded my recollection. It was almost 40 years ago. As you yourself have admitted in the past, you can't remember every detail about something that happened 40 years ago...

My sphere of knowledge is big enough to know what happened to me personally. It also happens to be fact.
 

layoutshooter

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Jerry Mucha broke his back playing football. Larry Gambino tore up his knee so bad playing baseball he never walked right again, or played ball. My uncle Junior slide into second base, caught a spike and shattered his ankle, ended his shot at the pros. We had one kid in grade school lose an eye playing baseball, hit with a foul ball. WAY too many years gone be to remember his name. I will likely remember that about 3 this morning or something stupid like that. I have NO idea how many broken arms and legs there were, concussions were common. I also know one kid who was killed by a gun, accidently self inflicted. I seen MANY "chicklets" on the ice and a few broken limbs. I knew one kid, Larry Bonnie who slipped and fell in the bath tub when he was 17, shattered his "C" spine, never walked again.

Fact still remain, shooting sports are safer than most participation sports.
 

Turtle

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I never said that the shooting sports were accident free. I said, correctly, that they have some of the lowest accident rates of a participation sports.
What you said was, and what I take issue with is, precisely what I quoted above. I'll quote it again for you.

"I DOUBT that many, if any, kids involved in the shooting sports have had brain injuries. Guns don't cause brain injuries, defensive backs do!"

I don't doubt that you doubt it, but you are nevertheless undoubtedly incorrect to doubt it. I'm not talking about accident rates, I'm talking specifically about brain injuries, which is to your statement, and which is one hundred percent the context of my reply to your statement.
 

layoutshooter

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What you said was, and what I take issue with is, precisely what I quoted above. I'll quote it again for you.

"I DOUBT that many, if any, kids involved in the shooting sports have had brain injuries. Guns don't cause brain injuries, defensive backs do!"

I don't doubt that you doubt it, but you are nevertheless undoubtedly incorrect to doubt it. I'm not talking about accident rates, I'm talking specifically about brain injuries, which is to your statement, and which is one hundred percent the context of my reply to your statement.

Got it! I missed your point, my fault.

I am, however, correct on the rates etc, although, as you point out, they have nothing to do with your point.

I would be willing to bet though, that FAR more brain injuries occur in football, hockey, or any number of participation sports, than occur in shooting sports. Not only in sheer numbers but in rate per 100K
 
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I would be willing to bet though, that FAR more brain injuries occur in football, hockey, or any number of participation sports, than occur in shooting sports. Not only in sheer numbers but in rate per 100K
That's great, but it's a totally different point and as a response to my point completely changes the subject. It's also a very safe point to make considering the top ten list of the most dangerous sports are listed above.
 

layoutshooter

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That's great, but it's a totally different point and as a response to my point completely changes the subject. It's also a very safe point to make considering the top ten list of the most dangerous sports are listed above.

I said I missed your original point, and yes it was correct.

It is a safe point, because it is correct and proven.

In respect to the idea that the NFL won't advertise firearms, it's their right. I believe that it is foolish, BUT, it's their right to be foolish. WHY are they that way? Who knows? PC? Ignorance?

The facts not only are the shooting sports safe, FAR safer than the sport that they are involved in, they provide wonderful positive experiences for millions of people, of all ages, genders, races, nationalities, and economic groups. It is a HUGE potential source of revenue that they are losing out on. Revenue that would be gleaned while trying to reach a significant portion of our society, involved in legal, safe, positive recreation.
 

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In respect to the idea that the NFL won't advertise firearms, it's their right. I believe that it is foolish, BUT, it's their right to be foolish. WHY are they that way? Who knows? PC? Ignorance?
Why is it foolish to not want to associate your product with a Newtown or mall shooting? "Football promotes violence, mass shootings are violent, therefore we need to outlaw football." Foolish.

The facts not only are the shooting sports safe, FAR safer than the sport that they are involved in, they provide wonderful positive experiences for millions of people, of all ages, genders, races, nationalities, and economic groups. It is a HUGE potential source of revenue that they are losing out on. Revenue that would be gleaned while trying to reach a significant portion of our society, involved in legal, safe, positive recreation.
So you think firearms and ammunition makers should be sponsors of the NFL? You think the NFL is missing out on revenue by not wanting to associate itself with a company that advertises:

The Bushmaster 200 AAC Blackout, the Official Assault Rifle of the NFL!

Yeah, that'll happen. <snort>

They certainly could reap the revenue from firearms and ammunition makers, but that would be a drop in the bucket of the potential revenue from casinos which they are ignoring. Clearly it's not about the revenue, it's about what products and services the NFL wishes to align itself with.

The simple fact is, the NFL rejected this commercial because it is a commercial for a social or political cause, and it's an advertisement for firearms, both of which violate the NFL's Advertising Policy.
 

layoutshooter

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Why is it foolish to not want to associate your product with a Newtown or mall shooting? "Football promotes violence, mass shootings are violent, therefore we need to outlaw football." Foolish.

So you think firearms and ammunition makers should be sponsors of the NFL? You think the NFL is missing out on revenue by not wanting to associate itself with a company that advertises:

The Bushmaster 200 AAC Blackout, the Official Assault Rifle of the NFL!

Yeah, that'll happen. <snort>

They certainly could reap the revenue from firearms and ammunition makers, but that would be a drop in the bucket of the potential revenue from casinos which they are ignoring. Clearly it's not about the revenue, it's about what products and services the NFL wishes to align itself with.

The simple fact is, the NFL rejected this commercial because it is a commercial for a social or political cause, and it's an advertisement for firearms, both of which violate the NFL's Advertising Policy.

First off, Bushmaster, nor anyone else makes, a 200 AAC Blackout. No such caliber.:p (it's a 300 Blackout, I am the caliber police) As you well know, there are NO assault rifles sold to the general population in the United States. It takes a class 3 firearms permit for to purchase or own such a rifle. Second. Out of the MILLIONS of people that own firearms only a tiny minority have used them to commit crimes like Newtown. A FAR greater percentage of drunken beer drinkers, drinking the beers they DO advertise, have killed far more people than the mass murders have. They don't seem to be associated with drunk drivers.

Also, do not forget that the 300 Blackout is a very good caliber for whitetail and hogs. It has light recoil, making it a good choice for younger shooters, people with shoulder issues etc. In states where hunting with a surpressed rifle is legal it is one of the best calibers for sub-sonic rounds.


It is hysteria. The media REFUSES to show the true nature of gun owners and the shooting sports? Why? They are anti-gun and want them taken away from the People. At BEST the NFL is playing to the hysteria.

As I said, they can do as they please.
 
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layoutshooter

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wow ! 155 posts to get to this. Again.


I TOLD you, I am BORED! My hunting is likely done for the year, I have NOTHING to do but bother people in here. Nothing better than an argument over nothing to kill a lot of time! :cool:
 
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