You know Doug, there are only two reasons to keep using the "Claim" thing, one: you are trying to discredit my backroud, which you cannot or two: you are calling me a liar. You should learn to play nice.
Bill Clinton could have had Bin Laden, just another non fact
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Wow.... Doug.... I understand your passion but hey here is a couple things.....
1 - the start of that answer is "probably not, and it would not have mattered anyway as there was no evidence at the time that bin Laden has committed any crimes against American citizens"
Doug, the attacks have been against the US, the UNITED STATES which then negates any of their reasoning, the fact that there was an attack in '93.
2 - There is a note on the bottom of the answer - Correction: We originally answered this question with a flat 'yes' early this week, based on the account in "The Looming Tower," but an alert reader pointed out to us the more tangled history laid out in the 9/11 Commission report. We said flatly that Sudan had made such an offer. We have deleted our original answer and are posting this corrected version in its place.
Doug, there is a considerable amount of information that indicates the 9/11 commission was just like the warren commission and took a single point of view. With Greolick on the commission, she no doubt ran interference for Clinton administration and there was a lack of a push from Republicans to actually get the right info into the report - this is proven by Sandy Berger committed an act of espionage destroying documents that would have allowed a clearer picture of the involvement of the administration and the Bush administration taking the position that Berger should not go through a trial which they should have jumped on him and Greolick with both feet. It is amazing that many (like Tallcal) can crucify Libby but ignore Berger....
3 - there is a lot more to this than we will ever know. We are not privy to real info about the past, so like other things, we will just have to live with it.
4 - you believe everything you read/hear/see on the Internet?
5 - can you please explain to me what the democratic party actually stands for?
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Many of the answers we should have were in the documents stolen by Sandy Berger. He was never truely held accountable for his actions. The cover-up was never investigated. Now one of the main figures in that episode of sleeze and espionage is running the CIA. Great bunch up there in Washington, eh? 
mjolnir131
Veteran Expediter
oh you mean like reading the whole thing including the "Clinton later claimed to have misspoken and stated that there had never been an offer to turn over bin Laden."
if i did not know what had been going on and you asked me your first question i might be moved to chose factcheck.org however knowing your discriptions are way way off base like most "fact" the left uses i would say you made a fairly poor choice
I notice they did not mention his 3rd change to that story But that is a major problem with the democratic party change the facts and story 3 or 4 time and then stick with it depending on which direction the wind blows.i don't see many post here that are hard right exept for chef maybe.
unless i missed a post i have not read anywhere on this thread anybody saying clinton difenatly knew let him go and should be impeached for it i did see allot of tearing down of most of your supposting facts and statement.
He's talking about me. I posted as a complaint about how a certain group of people have *******ized that word as well as continually promoting and maintaining racism as a means to an end. It may not have come across exactly as it was supposed to because I'm the first to admit I don't have the patience to write the way Turtle does. Doug takes it completely out of context and continues to misapply it since that's what suits his agenda. Oh well. I don't have the background that you have but I do have enough experience and know enough to know there is no bull in what you say.
Thanks, Leo. I do take a bit of pride in what I have accomplished in my life. I worked hard everywhere I have been and that ethic has served me well.
Dreammaker
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The problem is you've got one group who are willing to criticize when and where due and another group only willing to criticize the other side. The first group openly finds fault with their own when warranted. The second group doesn't fault their own for a multi trillion dollar problem but quickly faults the other side for an identical situation that was multi billions of dollars.
mjolnir131
Veteran Expediter
every field has a cant and it's fairly easy for those in or near that field to know if somebody is or isn't in their field buy how they talk about things. thats why it's easy for me to play spot the fake vet at parties.
Man, you have that right!! There is few things in the world that are easier to spot than the "Fake Vet"!!! They both amuse and sicken me at the same time.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Let me start by saying that I am a Gulf War Veteran during Desert Shield and Desert Storm. I served our great country from '90 to '94 in the USN aboard the USS Mount Vernon (LSD-39). The reason I mention this is because when we were in the Persian Gulf fighting the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq and ultimately driving out Saddam's troops, I remember our Marines (our ship was a troop transport in which we had approx. 700 Marines onboard) saying how discouraged they were we did not finish the job and take out Saddam Hussein. We did what we were supposed to do, liberate Kuwait from Iraqi forces. Hindsight is 20/20. Bush knew of all the atrocities Saddam had committed on Kuwaiti's and his own people along with intelligence of biological and chemical weapons, harboring and training of terrorists, etc, etc. So, since we knew of all these things why didn't we invade Iraq and take Saddam out of power then? The reason I ask this is because according to George W. that is why we went to war after 9/11. My point is, the same argument you have for Clinton not taking out Bin Laden when he had the chance the same can be said for George H.W. Why didn't he take out Saddam when he had the opportunity and the backing of the World? And why did George W. invade Iraq when intelligence said Bin Laden was in Afghanistan?
As far as I am concerned, we the American people bare some of the responsibility for our countries latest Presidents, since we are the ones that have placed them in office. And as far as our intelligence community, I feel they should take most of the blame for not being able to convince our Presidents and Congress of the dangers we possibly may face as a nation. I am afraid they have become complacent just as we have as a country, prior to the attacks of 9/11.
I thought George H.W. did a good job as President, I thought President Clinton did a good job, but George W. was way over his head and for people to stick up for his presidency shows that you my friend argue for the sake arguing and listen way to much of Rush and the likes of Glenn Beck. God have mercy on your souls.
I like President Obama, support him as our President, and will do so until he deserves otherwise. Am I weary of some of his policies and the things he has put in motion? sure....just like every other President before him, but I am not going to poke fun and call him childish names and bash him unfoundedly. In addition, those that have done so over and over and again and again, you have no credibility when doing so in such a manner. Quite frankly the ones that have done so, quite sickens me, and has me worried about our nation as a whole.
As far as I am concerned, we the American people bare some of the responsibility for our countries latest Presidents, since we are the ones that have placed them in office. And as far as our intelligence community, I feel they should take most of the blame for not being able to convince our Presidents and Congress of the dangers we possibly may face as a nation. I am afraid they have become complacent just as we have as a country, prior to the attacks of 9/11.
I thought George H.W. did a good job as President, I thought President Clinton did a good job, but George W. was way over his head and for people to stick up for his presidency shows that you my friend argue for the sake arguing and listen way to much of Rush and the likes of Glenn Beck. God have mercy on your souls.
I like President Obama, support him as our President, and will do so until he deserves otherwise. Am I weary of some of his policies and the things he has put in motion? sure....just like every other President before him, but I am not going to poke fun and call him childish names and bash him unfoundedly. In addition, those that have done so over and over and again and again, you have no credibility when doing so in such a manner. Quite frankly the ones that have done so, quite sickens me, and has me worried about our nation as a whole.
And does it equally worry you when those on the other side do the same in reverse? Do they lose all credibility when they place Bush one level beneath the devil and place Obama above Jesus in their deification and slobbering praise of him? Frankly, I've voted against the presidential candidate for almost two decades now. I've criticized the man in the office regularly for those same two decades. I've also given props when they've been earned. I'm quite worried about the nation as well although not for the same reason you are.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
From a biased point of view here, I really have not seen the reverse that you speak of. I don't recall Bush being compared to the devil and Obama above Jesus. I think you have listened to Rush and Glen Beck a bit too much and cannot decipher their shows with the comments made on this board. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much,".
Actually, a couple of weeks ago someone else had mentioned how the Liberals, Left wing nutjobs, Democrats, etc, etc, treated Bush as you continue to treat O'bama. So I did a search on here on Bush, George W., Bush Bashing, so on and so forth and I really didn't see any of the type of behavior and name calling of Bush as I see for O'bama.
I can see maybe DougTravels coming close to what you speak of but I think he just wants O'bama or anyone else to be treated fairly. Quite frankly I think he is entertaining, especially when it come to you LDB.
You have missed it then. Bush may not be placed beneath the devil but he's compared to the devil, if not in those exact words then in meaning based on unbiased reading of what is said. Nobody has come out and said directly that Obama is better than Jesus but there are a few on here who are so over the top in their fawning over him it's not much of a stretch to see it that way.
DougTravels
Not a Member
Although I never voted for George W, I had great hope and fully supported him in the days and weeks following 911. He showed great leadership for a short period of time and guided us through a very dark time.
It was his own administative failures and his using fear to gain more and more power that turned America and me personally off to his policies.
In closing Bush has been bashed due to his inneffective policies, where Obama is being bashed and named called by people who seem to know what he will do.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
What policies?
Please point them out....
Obama is being judged for the same reasons Clinton was judged in his first 100 days, his past. He, Obama is not a saint nor was he a poor kid made good against the odds, he was given chances and took advantage of a lot of things as same as Clarence Thomas did. I find it really ironic that Thomas is always the Uncle Tom but Obama is the messiah by the same people who tell you that Bush's policies ruined the country - they leave out congress.
They ALL SUCK!!! VOTE OUT ALL THE BUMS!!! Right now Obama is the head BUM. Last time it was Bush. Better wake up people, ALL of these scum bags are sticking it in your ear and you just smile, thank them and then vote them back in.
The current resident of the White House, NO WAY HE IS MY PRESIDENT, is now insitututing fascist policies on a whole scale basis.
I abhore everything that Obama stands for. Is is opposed to my beliefs and my way of life. He has no reguard for the Bill of Rights. In short, he just sucks!!
If we don't start taking back control of our government in 2010 it will all be over. It IS our last chance to keep the Republic.
VOTE 'EM ALL OUT!! I will be voting that way.
The current resident of the White House, NO WAY HE IS MY PRESIDENT, is now insitututing fascist policies on a whole scale basis.
I abhore everything that Obama stands for. Is is opposed to my beliefs and my way of life. He has no reguard for the Bill of Rights. In short, he just sucks!!
If we don't start taking back control of our government in 2010 it will all be over. It IS our last chance to keep the Republic.
VOTE 'EM ALL OUT!! I will be voting that way.
Yepper Greg, and we get to pay for much of it too!! Hey, why do sooooo many people believe Slick Willy on this or any other subject, he is the one who committed perjury in office. Once a lying sack of turkey dung, always one.