Bill Clinton could have had Bin Laden, just another non fact

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
In 1996 we had no grounds to prosecute him anyway.

That single statement exemplifies the misconception of liberals - the idea that Bin Laden should be prosecuted as a common criminal. This guy has a lot in common with Adolf Hitler - he wants to kill anyone who doesn't subscribe to his beliefs. He is a leader of a fanatical religious group that has declared war on our country and our civilization. He and those like him are enemy combatants and should be dealt with in a military manner. If he's captured, he shouldn't get a civil trial - if he's lucky he's tried by a military tribunal and if he's found guilty and he gets to spend the rest of his life in a windowless concrete cell. On the other hand, if all goes well his whereabouts are covertly discovered by our special forces and he's sent to dwell with the 72 virginis for eternity. I suspect he's there now, and has been since our special forces bombed Tora Bora. Hopefully our new president will soon realize the basic principles of war and deal with his Al Quaeda cohorts accordingly.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
BBC is mid left, MSNBC is left and crazy, CNN (I mean TIME) is far left, CBS is lost, NBC is GE's mouth piece which is not right of anything, ABC is something close to center left, Pravda like the NYT, LA tims and others, the WH now has its own news service like the Soviet Information Bureau, which is interesting..... Oh yea, when the people who beleive Obama is the messiah say that the huffington post is legtimate news - we are in trouble...
 

DougTravels

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1993 WTC bombing.

Ok Leo, This thread arose from either misinformed or just plain wrong "facts". In defense you chime in that Bin Laden is responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing. From Wikipedia below is the facts regarding the 1993 WTC bombing. No reference to Bin Laden here.
It makes me wonder Leo, do you purposely post misinformation to bolster your arguments?
When it comes down to facts, are you ignorant or just apathetic?


The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a car bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,500 lb (680 kg) urea nitrate-hydrogen gas enhanced device[1] was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people.[2][3] It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured 1,042.

The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. And in November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.

Contents [hide]
1 Planning and organization
1.1 Yousef's view of the attack
2 The attack
2.1 Bomb characteristics
3 Investigation
4 Aftermath
4.1 Memorial
4.2 FBI involvement
4.3 Diplomatic Security Service (DSS) involvement
4.4 Allegations of Iraqi involvement
5 Legal responsibility
6 Notes
7 References
8 External links



Planning and organization
Ramzi Yousef, who was born as Abdul Basit Mahmoud Abdul Karim in Kuwait, spent time at Al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan,[4] before beginning in 1991 to plan a bombing attack within the United States. Yousef's uncle Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Ali Fadden, who later was considered the principal architect of the September 11 attacks, gave him advice and tips over the phone, and funded him with a US$660 wire transfer.[5]

Yousef arrived in the United States on September 1, 1992, traveling with Ahmed Ajaj from Pakistan, though both sat apart on the flight and acted as though they were traveling separately. Ajaj tried to enter with a Swedish passport, though it had been altered and thus raised suspicions among INS officials at John F. Kennedy International Airport. When officials put Ajaj through secondary inspection, they discovered bomb making instructions and other materials in his luggage, and arrested him. The name Abu Barra, an alias of Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, appeared in the manuals. Yousef tried to enter with a false Iraqi passport, claiming political asylum. Yousef was allowed into the United States, and was given a hearing date.[6]

Yousef set up residence on Nicole Pickett Avenue in Jersey City, New Jersey, traveled around New York and New Jersey and called Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, a controversial blind Muslim cleric, via cell phone. After being introduced to his co-conspirators by Abdel Rahman at the latter's Al-Farooq Mosque in Brooklyn, Yousef began assembling the 1,500 lb urea nitrate-hydrogen gas enhanced device for delivery to the WTC. He ordered chemicals from his hospital room when injured in a car crash - one of three accidents caused by Salameh in late 1992 and early in 1993.

El Sayyid Nosair, one of the blind sheik's men, was arrested in 1991 for the murder of Rabbi Meir Kahane. According to prosecutors, "the Red" Mahmud Abouhalima, also convicted in the bombing, told Wadih el Hage to buy the .38 caliber revolver used by Nosair in the Kahane shooting. In the initial court case in NYS Criminal Court Nosair was acquitted of murder but convicted of gun charges. (In a related and followup case in Federal Court, he was convicted). Dozens of Arabic bomb-making manuals and documents related to terrorist plots were found in Nosair's New Jersey apartment, with manuals from Army Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, secret memos linked to Joint Chiefs of Staff, and 1,440 rounds of ammunition. (Lance 2004 26 )


Yousef's view of the attack
According to the journalist Steve Coll, Yousef mailed letters to various New York newspapers just before the attack, in which he claimed he belonged to 'Israel's Army, Fifth Battalion'.[7] These letters made three demands: an end to all US aid to Israel, an end to US diplomatic relations with Israel, and a demand for a pledge by the United States to end interference "with any of the Middle East countries' interior affairs." He stated that the attack on the World Trade Center would be merely the first of such attacks if his demands were not met. In his letters Yousef admitted that the World Trade Center bombing was an act of terrorism, but that this was justified because "the terrorism that Israel practices (which America supports) must be faced with a similar one."


The attack

Image of the procession of rescue vehicles responding to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The Tower is on the far right of the frame.Ramzi Yousef and a Jordanian friend, Eyad Ismoil, drove a yellow Ryder van into Lower Manhattan, and pulled into the public parking garage beneath the World Trade Center around noon. Yousef ignited the 20-foot fuse, and fled. Twelve minutes later, at 12:17:37 pm, the bomb exploded in the underground garage, generating an estimated pressure of 150,000 psi.[8] The bomb opened a 30-m (98 ft) wide hole through four sublevels of concrete. The detonation velocity of this bomb was about 15,000 ft/s (4.5 km/s).

The bomb instantly cut off the center's main electrical power line, knocking out the emergency lighting system. The bomb caused smoke to rise up to the 93rd floor of both towers, including through the stairwells which were not pressurized.[9] With thick smoke filling the stairwells, evacuation was difficult for building occupants and led to many smoke inhalation injuries. Hundreds were trapped in elevators in the towers when the power was cut, including a group of 17 kindergartners, on their way down from the South Tower observation deck, who were trapped between the 35th and 36th floors for five hours.[10][11]

Also as a result of the loss of electricity most of New York City's radio and television stations lost their over-the-air broadcast signal for almost a week, with television stations only being able to broadcast via cable and satellite via a microwave hookup between the stations and three of the New York area's largest cable companies, Cablevision, Comcast, and Time Warner Cable. Telephone service for much of Lower Manhattan was also disrupted.

Altogether, six people were killed and 1,042 others were injured, most during the evacuation that followed the blast.[12] The towers did not collapse, according to Yousef's plan, but the explosion did damage the garage badly. Nevertheless, had the van been parked closer to the WTC's poured concrete foundations, Yousef's plan might have succeeded.[13] Yousef escaped to Pakistan several hours later after the bombing.

Yousef had left Jersey City much earlier in the morning, thus questions linger as to why he waited to noon to attack when the parking area was much less crowded. Conspirator Mahmud Abouhalima later stated that the original plan was to attack the United Nations headquarters earlier in the morning. Author Simon Reeve theorized that something went wrong, such as Yousef encountering too much security, and the target was changed to be the World Trade Center.[14]


Bomb characteristics
Yousef was assisted by Iraqi bomb maker Abdul Rahman Yasin, who helped assemble the complex 1310 lb (600 kg) bomb, which was made of a urea nitrate main charge with aluminum, magnesium and ferric oxide particles surrounding the explosive. The charge used nitroglycerine, ammonium nitrate dynamite, smokeless powder and fuse as booster explosives.[15] Three tanks of bottled hydrogen were also placed in a circular configuration around the main charge, to enhance the fireball and afterburn of the solid metal particles.[16]The use of compressed gas cylinders in this type of attack closely resembles the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing 10 years earlier. Both of these attacks used compressed gas cylinders to create fuel-air and thermobaric bombs[17] that release more energy than conventional high explosives. According to testimony in the bomb trial, only once before the 1993 attack had the FBI recorded a bomb that used urea nitrate.[18][19]

The Ryder van used in the bombing had 295 ft3 (8.3 m3) of space, which would hold up to a ton (907 kg) of explosives. However, the van was not filled to capacity. Yousef used four 20 ft (6 m) long fuses, all covered in surgical tubing. Yasin calculated that the fuse would trigger the bomb in twelve minutes after he had used a cigarette lighter to light the fuse.

Yousef wanted the smoke to remain in the tower, therefore catching the public eye by smothering people inside, killing them slowly. He anticipated Tower One collapsing onto Tower Two after the blast.

There remains a popular belief that there was cyanide in the bomb, which is reinforced by Judge Duffy's statement at sentencing, "[y]ou had sodium cyanide around, and I’m sure it was in the bomb." However, the bomb's true composition was not able to be ascertained from the crime scene and Robert Blitzer, a senior FBI official who worked on the case, stated that there was "no forensic evidence indicating the presence of sodium cyanide at the bomb site." Furthermore, Yousef is said only to have considered adding cyanide to the bomb, and to have regretted not doing so in Peter Lance's book 1000 Years For Revenge.


Investigation
Though the cause of the blast was not immediately known, with some suspecting a transformer explosion, agents and bomb technicians from the ATF, FBI, and the NYPD quickly responded to the scene. The magnitude of the explosion was far beyond that of a transformer explosion.


Underground damage after the bombingIn the days after the bombing, investigators surveyed the damage and looked for clues. While combing through the rubble in the underground parking area, a bomb technician located some internal component fragments from the vehicle that delivered the bomb. A vehicle identification number (VIN), found on a piece from an axle, gave investigators crucial information that led them to a Ryder truck rental outlet in Jersey City. Investigators determined that the vehicle had been rented by Mohammad Salameh, one of Yousef's co-conspirators.[20] Salameh had reported the van stolen, and when he returned on March 4, 1993, to get his deposit back, authorities arrested him.[21]

Salameh's arrest led police to the apartment of Abdul Rahman Yasin in Jersey City, New Jersey, which Yasin was sharing with his mother, in the same building as Ramzi Yousef's apartment. Yasin was taken to FBI headquarters in Newark, New Jersey, and was then released. The next day, he flew back to Iraq, via Amman, Jordan. Yasin was later indicted for the attack, and in 2001 he was placed on the initial list of the FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, on which he remains today. He disappeared before the U.S. coalition invasion, Operation Iraqi Freedom, in 2003. In March 1994, Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Mahmud Abouhalima and Ahmad Ajaj were each convicted in the World Trade Center bombing. In May 1994, they were sentenced to life imprisonment.

The capture of Salameh and Yasin led authorities to Ramzi Yousef's apartment, where they found bomb-making materials and a business card from Mohammed Jamal Khalifa. Khalifa was arrested on December 14, 1994, and was deported to Jordan by the INS on May 5, 1995. He was acquitted by a Jordanian court and lived as a free man in Saudi Arabia until his death in 2007.


Aftermath

Memorial
Deaths in the 1993 bombing[22]
1. Monica Smith, age 35, a secretary, who was seven-months pregnant, was in her office checking time-sheets in the B-2 level.
2. Robert (Bob) Kirkpatrick, age 61, a locksmith, was eating lunch in a room next to Smith's office.
3. Bill Macko, age 47, maintenance worker, was also eating lunch.
4. Stephen Knapp, age 48, maintenance supervisor, was eating lunch with Macko and Kirkpatrick.
5. John DiGiovanni, age 45, a dental products salesperson, was parking in the underground garage.
6. Wilfredo Mercado, age 37, a receiving agent for Windows on the World restaurant, was checking in deliveries.
A granite memorial fountain honoring the six victims of the bombing was designed by Elyn Zimmerman and dedicated in 1995 on Austin J. Tobin Plaza, directly above the site of the explosion. It contained the names of the six people who perished in the attack as well as an inscription that read:

"On February 26, 1993, a bomb set by terrorists exploded below this site. This horrible act of violence killed innocent people, injured thousands, and made victims of us all."

The fountain was destroyed with the rest of the World Trade Center during the September 11 attacks. A recovered fragment from the 1993 bombing memorial with the text "John", from bombing victim John DiGiovanni, is being used as the centerpiece of a new memorial honoring the victims of both the 1993 and 2001 attacks.[23]


FBI involvement
In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, a former Egyptian army officer named Emad Salem. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of hundreds of possible suspects.

Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead. He secretly recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers.[24]


Diplomatic Security Service (DSS) involvement
Although the FBI received the credit, Diplomatic Security Service special agents actually found and arrested Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, the architect of the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing. Special Agents Bill Miller and Jeff Riner were given a tip by an associate of Ramzi Yousef about his location. In coordination with the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), DSS and ISI arrested Yousef.[25]


Allegations of Iraqi involvement
In October 2001 in a PBS interview, former CIA Director James Woolsey claimed that Ramzi Youssef worked for Iraqi intelligence.[26] He suggested the grand jury investigation turned up evidence pointing to Iraq that the Justice Department "brushed aside." But Neil Herman, who headed the FBI investigation, noted that despite Yasin's presence in Baghdad, there was no evidence of Iraqi support for the attack. "We looked at that rather extensively. There were no ties to the Iraqi government." CNN terrorism analyst Peter L. Bergen writes, "In sum, by the mid-'90s, the Joint Terrorism Task Force in New York, the F.B.I., the U.S. Attorney's office in the Southern District of New York, the C.I.A., the N.S.C., and the State Department had all found no evidence implicating the Iraqi government in the first Trade Center attack."[27]

Claims of direct Iraqi involvement come from Laurie Mylroie of the American Enterprise Institute, with the claims rejected by other experts. Peter Bergen has called her a "crackpot" who claimed that "Saddam was not only behind the '93 Trade Center attack, but also every anti-American terrorist incident of the past decade, from the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania to the leveling of the federal building in Oklahoma City to September 11 itself."[27] Daniel Benjamin, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, writes: "The most knowledgeable analysts and investigators at the CIA and at the FBI believe that their work conclusively disproves Mylroie's claims."[28] Dr. Robert Leiken of the Nixon Center comments on the lack of evidence in her work: "Laurie has discovered Saddam's hand in every major attack on US interests since the Persian Gulf War, including U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and even the federal building in Oklahoma City. These allegations have all been definitively refuted by the FBI, the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) and other investigatory bodies...."[29]

In March 2008, the Pentagon released its study of some 600,000 documents captured in Iraq after the 2003 invasion (see 2008 Pentagon Report). The study "found no 'smoking gun' (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda."[30] Among the documents released by the Pentagon was a captured audio file of Saddam Hussein speculating that the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center had been carried out by Israel or American intelligence, or perhaps a Saudi or Egyptian faction. Saddam said that he did not trust the bomber Yasin, who was in Iraqi custody, because his testimony was too "organized." The Pentagon study found that Yasin "was a prisoner, and not a guest, in Iraq."[31] Mylroie denied that this was proof of Saddam's non-involvement, claiming that "one common purpose of such meetings was to develop cover stories for whatever Iraq sought to conceal."[32]


Legal responsibility
The victims of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings sued the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey for damages. A decision was handed down in 2006, assigning liability for the bombings to the Port Authority. The decision declared that the agency was 68 percent responsible for the bombing, and the terrorists bore only 32 percent of the responsibility. In January 2008, the Port Authority asked a five-judge panel of the Appellate Division of the New York State Supreme Court in Manhattan to throw out the decision, describing the jury's verdict as "bizarre".[33] On April 29, 2008, a New York State Appeals Court unanimously upheld the jury's verdict. Under New York law once a defendant is more than 50 percent at fault, he/she/it can be held fully financially liable.[34]

It has been argued that the problem with the apportionment of responsibility in the case is not the jury's verdict, but rather New York's tort-reform-produced state apportionment law. Traditionally courts do not compare intentional and negligent fault. When the Port Authority's very duty was to take care to prevent terrorist attacks, it makes no sense to diminish the Port Authority's liability because a terrorist attack took place. The Restatement Third of Torts: Apportionment of Liability recommends a rule to prevent juries from having to make nonsensical comparisons like the terrorist-Port Authority comparison in this case. However, if a jurisdiction does compare these intentional and negligent torts courts' second-best position is to do just what the NYS Appeals Court did -- to uphold all jury apportionments, even those that assign greater, or perhaps far greater, responsibility to negligent than intentional parties
 

DougTravels

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That single statement exemplifies the misconception of liberals - the idea that Bin Laden should be prosecuted as a common criminal. This guy has a lot in common with Adolf Hitler - he wants to kill anyone who doesn't subscribe to his beliefs. He is a leader of a fanatical religious group that has declared war on our country and our civilization. He and those like him are enemy combatants and should be dealt with in a military manner. If he's captured, he shouldn't get a civil trial - if he's lucky he's tried by a military tribunal and if he's found guilty and he gets to spend the rest of his life in a windowless concrete cell. On the other hand, if all goes well his whereabouts are covertly discovered by our special forces and he's sent to dwell with the 72 virginis for eternity. I suspect he's there now, and has been since our special forces bombed Tora Bora. Hopefully our new president will soon realize the basic principles of war and deal with his Al Quaeda cohorts accordingly.

Please tell us what grounds we had to detain, kill or charge Bin Laden with in 1996.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Please tell us what grounds we had to detain, kill or charge Bin Laden with in 1996.

1996?

You are kidding me? Right?

Doug, he was wanted in '94 for terrorist activities -

'93 attack of US troops in Somalia

'95 the bombing of the National Guard training center in Riyadh.

'96 bombing of the Khobar Towers

'98 coordinated attacks on US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya - on the ten most wanted list

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the connection to the Bin Laden is through Abdel-Rahman, you can figure out what the connection is...

Oh and the original target was the UN building.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Doug, although Bin Laden may not have been in NYC and planted the bomb that event would have been enough provocation to detain and question the man and as mentioned there were other events as well. By 1996 the man was known to be a sworn enemy of the nation desiring the elimination or subjugation of the entire nation.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
No Peacedog, I think you mis-undertand what I meant. I am opposed to GOVERNMENT funded (owned) news outlets. Too much like Pravda. As to censorship, there are many form of that. Like one-sided reporting, agenda pushing rather then reporting etc. It is becoming far more prevelent and the does NOT bode well for this Republic.
 

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
1996?

You are kidding me? Right?

Doug, he was wanted in '94 for terrorist activities -

'93 attack of US troops in Somalia

'95 the bombing of the National Guard training center in Riyadh.

'96 bombing of the Khobar Towers

'98 coordinated attacks on US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya - on the ten most wanted list

AND
the connection to the Bin Laden is through Abdel-Rahman, you can figure out what the connection is...

Oh and the original target was the UN building.

Greg you forgot about the hotel he bombed in 92 at the port in Aden the same port that the USS Cole was attacked in 8 years later,killed two and i believe they wear from Germany
 
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DougTravels

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What is not in dispute at all is the fact that, in early 1996, American officials regarded Osama bin Laden as a financier of terrorism and not as a mastermind largely because, at the time, there was no real evidence that bin Laden had harmed American citizens. So even if the Sudanese government really did offer to hand bin Laden over, the U.S. would have had no grounds for detaining him. In fact, the Justice Department did not secure an indictment against bin Laden until 1998 – at which point Clinton did order a cruise missile attack on an al Qaeda camp in an attempt to kill bin Laden.

We have to be careful about engaging in what historians call "Whig history," which is the practice of assuming that historical figures value exactly the same things that we do today. It's a fancy term for those "why didn't someone just shoot Hitler in 1930?" questions that one hears in dorm-room bull sessions. The answer, of course, is that no one knew quite how bad Hitler was in 1930. The same is true of bin Laden in 1996
 

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
no doug it's more a case of we knew he was a really bad man then interpole had a warrent out for him he just turned out to be even lower that we thought.

People need to stop kidding themself thinking that bin laden is not involved in Al-Qaeda operations and he's just paying for it.Al-Qaeda was started and is control by bin laden
 

Dreammaker

Seasoned Expediter
If you are really interested in Bill Clinton's complicity in 9/11, read America's Secret War by by George Friedman, head of Stratfor.com. You can read the book reviews at Amazon.com: America's Secret War: Inside the Hidden Worldwide Struggle Between the United States and Its Enemies: George Friedman: Books. This book cuts through the political nonsense and gives you a long view of the precedents and aftermath of 9/11. As in most post mortems, some of the Democratic/Republican finger pointing has substance and some doesn't. In the end, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 made what in hindsight appear to be errors of judgement that lead to the cluster we now have in the Middle East.

If you really want to get a longer view, you might want to read All the Shah's Men. Amazon.com: All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror: Stephen Kinzer: Books. This book offers a history of the U.S.'s and Britain's involvement with Iran. This book has singlehandedly changed my opinion about U.S. foreign policy.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
There were enough people who knew in 1996. The ones at the top who had the authority/ability to do something about it either didn't know or didn't care. I don't know if there was enough in 1930 for someone to shoot Hitler. I do know there was enough in 1996 for someone to shoot Bin Laden.
 

greg334

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In fact, the Justice Department did not secure an indictment against bin Laden until 1998

Doug,
You are making our point..... The justice department should not have anything to do with terrorism, just like the FBI overseas. They should only concern themselves with internal matters and matters that reach our shores.

There is a distinct line created in the consitution that the MILITARY is there to protect us, which means that the justice department and the FBI is not charged with hunting down and killing terrorist overseas. When the FBI becomes a constitutionaly charge deparment on international matters, then I can agree with their involvement.

READ THIS CAREFULLY -
Bin Laden has claimed to be the one to put together the killing of US soldiers in Mogadishu, Somalia in 1993... he was wanted then for those killings and the following it was CLINTON, Janet Reno and Groelick (the author of the "wall between departments and the one who should not have been on the 9/11 commission) are all who decided to handle ALL TERRORIST MATTERS as they were felonys - making them equal to carjackings and armed robberies. THIS MEANS THAT instead of killing them onsite or torturing them for more info, they are charged with a crime, captured if possible and then tried in US court on US soil which mocks us and our rights.

I seriously think you need to start heading down to Hamtramck or Dearborn and spend some time learning the whos whys and whats of these cultures.
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Please tell us what grounds we had to detain, kill or charge Bin Laden with in 1996.

Greg and others have more than sufficiently answered that, so I'll go back to my original point dealing with the liberal misunderstanding of terrorists. When it comes to Osama (or any other islamic wacko terrorist for that matter) we're not dealing with the Unabomber, Son of Sam, or Al Capone. Bin Laden et al are ENEMY COMBATANTS, NOT CIVIL CRIMINALS. The wear no uniform and have no allegiance to any country. Their offenses are Acts of War and dealing with them does not entail offering them access to US criminal court processes. Getting back to the original point of the thread, Bill Clinton simply didn't want to deal with the terrorist problem. He ignored the attacks on Kobar Towers, USS Cole, etc and in doing so emboldened the planners of 911. He knew the polls wouldn't respond favorably to military conflicts so he stuck his head in the sand (or probably somewhere else), so you see where we are today.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Apprently no matter how simple it's made it isn't simple enough to get through to some people. Silly me, I'm going to give it one more try. OK, here we go, very slowly this time.
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Bin Laden bad.
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Intelligent people... open eyes... open minds.
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Prior to 1996 Bin Laden known evil.
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Intelligent people (non-Clinton people) and intelligence people (CIA etc.) know.
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Bin Laden disappears.
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Oops, 1996 same as 2009, WRONG occupant in White House to take care of business and protect nation.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Simple, correct and 100% to the point. Obama fighting terrorism does about as much good as using anti-biotics to fight the flu!! It is a waste of time and effort. The result of sending a boy to do a man's job.
 
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