Armstrong Vs. Obama

[davekc]

Romney sign ban on an entire class of guns. There for, he sucks and I can't put ANYTHING past him.

MY beliefs.

I wouldn't support a ban on guns personally, but what he banned was AK-47's and UZI machine guns. Not sure the founding fathers imagined those at the time.
Whether Romney or another politician signed something like this is hardly indicative of what their overall record would be.
But if one isn't voting, it really isn't relevant.

With regards to Armstrong, he can't take credit for his walk on the moon. As Obama would say, "somebody else did that".

 

[layoutshooter]

I wouldn't support a ban on guns personally, but what he banned was AK-47's and UZI machine guns. Not sure the founding fathers imagined those at the time.
Whether Romney or another politician signed something like this is hardly indicative of what their overall record would be.
But if one isn't voting, it really isn't relevant.

No, not machine guns. There are NO LEGAL machine guns sold to private citizens in the U.S. EXCEPT for those who have a Class 3 firearms license. He banned semi-auto rifles. NOT from police use, just from law abiding citizens. IF he believed in the words: "Shall not be infringed" he would have vetoed that law.

NO police force should be allowed to have ANYTHING that a law abiding citizen cannot have. They are not the power, they are the servant.

Who is not voting?

 

[Turtle]

I wouldn't support a ban on guns personally, but what he banned was AK-47's and UZI machine guns. Not sure the founding fathers imagined those at the time.

Actually they did. They imagined the citizenry having precisely the same arms as the government had, since the government is derived from the governed.

 

[davekc]

I guess it is a split then. Cops can have assault rifles but not the machine guns.
As for voting, Rosanne really doesn't count.

 

[layoutshooter]

I guess it is a split then. Cops can have assault rifles but not the machine guns.
As for voting, Rosanne really doesn't count.

Please define an 'assault rifle' and from which era.

What does Rosanne voting or not voting have to do with anything? Besides, we already know who that witch is voting for!

 

[davekc]

She is running for president of the green party I believe. The only assault rifles I seen listed was a ak47 and something called a M10.

 

[layoutshooter]

The ONLY thing 'green' about Rosanne are her teeth!

The AK47 rifles sold in the U.S. are not 'assault rifles' in the strict sense of the word since they cannot fire on full automatic or automatic bursts.

The AK47 fires the same round as a M14 or any number of pump, bolt action, single shot or semi-automatic rifles. It is a 7.62MM. In other words a .308. A very common deer rifle cartridge. There is no basic difference between a AK47 or a Remington 7400 in .308. They just look different.

All the hype about so-called assault rifles is just that, hype.

The AR15, is a semi-auto rifle in 5.56mm, .223. It is a rather wimpy cartridge as far as modern rifles shells go. Not even legal in all states because it is not a very good bullet for killing deer sized game. It is far more suited to small to mid-sized varmints, like ground hogs and coyotes. That is ONE of the reasons that the U.S. Army is considering a change to a larger caliber bullet and round. Like the 6.8MM or .280.

 

[layoutshooter]

Sameo Sameo:


ALL .308/7.62mm Good deer hunting caliber.

Rock River Arms: RRA LAR-8 Varmint A4

ak47 - Google Search

Model 7400

Bolt Action Centerfire - Model 700 Centerfire Rifle - Remington Bolt Action Centerfire Rifle

Pump Action Centerfire - Model 7600 Centerfire Rifle - Remington Pump Action Centerfire Rifle

 

[purgoose10]

Guns or no guns Lassie still has my vote.

 

[layoutshooter]

Comparing one female dog to another, Lassie and Rosanne, Lassie is FAR better looking!

(I know that Lassie was played on the TV show by mainly male dogs in drag.)

 

[davekc]

Only thing that was single out was the AK. I guess that it is the weapon of choice for shooting people? Didn't say anything about the others you mentioned. As you can tell, I know little about guns. I am the type of guy that would hire someone.

 

[layoutshooter]

Only thing that was single out was the AK. I guess that it is the weapon of choice for shooting people? Didn't say anything about the others you mentioned. As you can tell, I know little about guns. I am the type of guy that would hire someone.

Just liberal hype. Start with "assault rifles" then move on from there.

The administration, through the BATFE have ALREADY outlawed the importation of 100% if all semi-auto and pump shotguns that can be or are fitted with a 'pistol grip'. They did so WITHOUT going through congress. That includes normal, everyday sporting arms, like Winchester, Benelli, Stoeger, Berretta. Congress have defunded that action, but ONLY until Dec. 31.

Obama, and Romney, are both on record wanting ALL semi-auto firearms outlawed. That would make MILLIONS of law abiding citizens, criminals.

I am FAR more afraid of the man/woman who is good with the rifle below. EXACT same round. FAR more dangerous than a person who just shoots blindly had large, unarmed crowds.

3 shots, at 500YRDS with only 1.27 inches between them.

My Remington Custom 700, in 30.06, is MORE than capable of under 1/2 groups at 100YRDS, I AM not, the rifle is. Lots of work done to that rifle. A 30.06 and ,308 are the same bullet, different brass. Ballistically the same.



http://www.snipercentral.com/m24.htm

 

[davekc]

Might be tough to pass that one regardless of who is president. What would they do with the people that already have them? Not sure how that would work?

 

[layoutshooter]

Might be tough to pass that one regardless of who is president. What would they do with the people that already have them? Not sure how that would work?

They would first CLAIM that only sale, even between individuals, would be banned. All existing guns would be 'grandfathered' BUT, registered so they know where they are. Then in a year of so, just come and take them. In the middle of the night if needed.

Just like when they decided in a Chicago suburb years back that a "staturday night special" included ALL handuns under a certain caliber, included .22 caliber, high end, $2-5000 target pistols, took them and melted them down.

 

[davekc]

Think it would be a tough sell but in todays world, one never knows.
As an afterthought, might be better with Romney. With a house full of tea party representives, I don't think there is where he would look to burn some political capital. Now Obama, he would just skip Congress all together like he has been doing.

 

[layoutshooter]

Think it would be a tough sell but in todays world, one never knows.

Don't count on it. That is just ONE of the things that would touch of that civil war.

They have been trying to do this since the '60's. They get close each year.

Just ONE Chicago attempt in 2001:

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U.S. Newswire 31 Jan 2001 09:20 ISRA Promises Suburban Chicago Mayors Tough Fight Against Gun Control Scheme Contact: Richard Pearson of the Illinois State Rifle Association, 815-635-3198; Web Site: Illinois State Rifle Association SPRINGFIELD, Ill., Jan. 31 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA): Lawful gun owners throughout northeastern Illinois are planning their response to a sweeping gun ban and confiscation scheme announced Wednesday by Chicago Mayor Richie Daley in conjunction with a dozen suburban mayors. Under the announced plan, residents of affected towns and villages would be forced to surrender many of their lawfully owned target pistols, hunting rifles and shotguns to local authorities. Furthermore, they would find themselves, and what little remained of their gun collections, registered on an insecure database readily available to the same crooked cops that sell confiscated drugs and weapons right out of the Chicago Police Department's evidence rooms. In response to the proposal, the ISRA is mobilizing a grassroots effort to fight passage of any local ordinances that may be drafted as the result of Wednesday's announcement. Elected officials in the affected towns should expect heavy lobbying pressure from gun owners in their villages. "I'm sure these small town officials jumped at the chance of a photo-op with a big city mayor like Daley," said ISRA President Richard Pearson. "But when they return home, they'll have to face their constituents." "This is exactly the kind of fight our people like," continued Pearson. "Any attempt to pass these proposed gun grabs will require action on the part of individual village councils. You can bet that our people will be working this issue in those council chambers, and on the streets. With this being an election year, we won't be shy about making the Daley suburban gun confiscation scheme an issue in both state-wide and local elections." "Village trustees work best when deciding whether to plant posies or petunias on the village green," said Pearson. "These publicity-hungry small town officials let Daley seduce them into becoming sacrificial lambs for the big city issue of gun control. They're going to find that they've stepped into a big stinking, rotten mess. They'll rue the day they ever met Richie Daley."

 

[davekc]

Didn't say it couldn't happen, but I am not seeing a republican president in the near future attempting that.

 

[layoutshooter]

Didn't say it couldn't happen, but I am not seeing a republican president in the near future attempting that.

Bush one did. Romney likely will.

 

[cheri1122]

I wouldn't support a ban on guns personally, but what he banned was AK-47's and UZI machine guns. Not sure the founding fathers imagined those at the time.
Whether Romney or another politician signed something like this is hardly indicative of what their overall record would be.
But if one isn't voting, it really isn't relevant.

With regards to Armstrong, he can't take credit for his walk on the moon. As Obama would say, "somebody else did that".

Armstrong would have been the first to acknowledge that he didn't get there by himself - there was a lot of taxpayer support that enabled his hard work to succeed.
Exactly what Mitt told the Olympic athletes when he was in charge: "You didn't do it without a whole lot of support." Pretty hypocritical for him and his [I want to say 'minions' but I just can't bring myself to sound like a cartoon character] supporters to pretend Obama meant something different.
Ironic, too, as Romney's such a committed fan of not paying taxes that support the infrastructure, education, police/fire departments, etc., Or none that his highly paid accountants can find creative and extremely complex ways to eliminate, and they are GOOD at what they do.
I know: it's all legal. Same as all those who ignore the chance to be a 'good samaritan' when it presents itself: it's perfectly legal.
Romney knows a lot about how to make a business succeed, but government isn't a business. Like NASA: profit isn't what it's for. Those who believe business experience is necessary in a POTUS are comparing apples & razor blades.
And if Mitt believes it, why'd he choose a VP that has zero business experience?

 

[layoutshooter]

Armstrong would have been the first to acknowledge that he didn't get there by himself - there was a lot of taxpayer support that enabled his hard work to succeed.
Exactly what Mitt told the Olympic athletes when he was in charge: "You didn't do it without a whole lot of support." Pretty hypocritical for him and his [I want to say 'minions' but I just can't bring myself to sound like a cartoon character] supporters to pretend Obama meant something different.
Ironic, too, as Romney's such a committed fan of not paying taxes that support the infrastructure, education, police/fire departments, etc., Or none that his highly paid accountants can find creative and extremely complex ways to eliminate, and they are GOOD at what they do.
I know: it's all legal. Same as all those who ignore the chance to be a 'good samaritan' when it presents itself: it's perfectly legal.
Romney knows a lot about how to make a business succeed, but government isn't a business. Like NASA: profit isn't what it's for. Those who believe business experience is necessary in a POTUS are comparing apples & razor blades.
And if Mitt believes it, why'd he choose a VP that has zero business experience?

The Federal government has NO business in education, state or locale law enforcement or fire fighting. NONE.

Infrastructure? Like the roads they don't maintain?

The manned program was funded and worked only because it was a "Cold War" project. It was a means to pay for developing weapons systems, computer systems etc. The "space race" part was the hype to get the funding. It worked.

Turn private industry loose and we will live on the moon in a few years. One thing i learned from those I knew who worked on the moon shot was that it could have been done in half the time and for half the money had the government not been involved. To the man that all said the government held them back.

True, Armstrong did not do it alone, but he developed the stones and the attitude without the help of taxpayers. HE had the stones to fight in Korea, be a test pilot and the drive to do it. Qualities very much lacking today.