Armstrong Vs. Obama

Ragman

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They aren't participating, they are making a choice to operate the vehicle, and therefor must show they are able to financially handle their obligations that can arise from accident or injury.

They are obligated to register the vehicle. in order to do so, you MUST have insurance.
 

davekc

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How do you run the financial side like a business?

One of the keys to business success is increasing revenues while cutting expenses. Increased revenues is key to business survival.
If you attempt to raise our Government revenue through taxes the people will turn on you.
Mitt Romney's plan for our country is to severely decrease revenue through Bush style tax cuts. The opposite of a business model.
Have you ever heard of a failing business being saved by purposely decreasing their revenues??
Just saying Government is such a different animal from business that hoping for a business expert to come in and turn it around like a company may be a bit naive.*
Now for a pure business solution:
If we could export everyone over 65 to China, we could make Medicare and Social Security solvent overnight. Plus the roads would be safer and the grocery lines shorter.
That would be a smart business solution.*:rolleyes:

In a one dimensional argument I could agree with you. Here is the problem. Spending too much with falling revenues. To raise revenue, you have to expand the base. Not enough rich people to carry the load. That why I really think we need a flat or some type of consumtion tax.
From a "business" standpoint, without raising taxes, you still have to increase that base.
US corporate tax is high so that is why businesses move much of what they do overseas. Some of it labor, and some of it is the taxes they pay. Tough gig if you are going to keep them high or tax them more. Too many options to go other places and operate cheaper. As mentioned, Obama's "job czar" is one of the worst offenders, but he says that is why they do it.
The need for someone with a business background is to understand and react to businesses that are leaving. Don't even get me started on the business need when talking about government regulations.
 

Humble2drive

Expert Expediter
. . . That why I really think we need a flat or some type of consumtion tax.

With you on that one.

The need for someone with a business background is to understand and react to businesses that are leaving. Don't even get me started on the business need when talking about government regulations.

Yes. Many advantages to a biz background. Can't help but think someone with a lot of success in the used car sales business would fair well.:D
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Is it fair that everyone who utilizes an automobile must pay for insurance in able to participate?

If so, would it be fair to extend that argument to healthcare by recognizing that the reality is that everyone who lives here and breathes here does or will use our healthcare system at some point. Shouldn't they pay something in order to participate?

I think that there can be no argument that we all pay for those free loaders through higher premiums and higher healthcare costs.
Which will end up costing us more??:confused:

There are millions of drivers operating on American roadways without insurance. Many are uninsurable due to their own poor driving record. Consider the drunk driver who lost his license and had his auto insurance cancelled. Now, even if this hypothetical driver manages to get his license reinstated, his insurance rates will be so exorbitant that, in effect, he is forevermore uninsurable.

There are numerous scenarios where folks operate an automobile without regard for insurance. Some buy a policy just to register their car with the county clerk in order to get a license plate, then cancel the policy afterward. All sorts of games are played. Perhaps a few million illegal immigrants in this country drive without a license or insurance. The poor often cannot afford auto insurance on a continuous basis. People who find themselves in arrears with respect to child support payments often get their operator's license suspended, rendering their insurance void, yet many will drive anyway. It is a wrong assumption to think auto insurance compliance is universal. Depending upon where one lives, maybe 15-20% of drivers operate without insurance coverage.

If we submit ourselves to this socialized medicine mandate, we might as well allow the federal government to implant us with microchips. They own us.
 

davekc

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With you on that one.



Yes. Many advantages to a biz background. Can't help but think someone with a lot of success in the used car sales business would fair well.:D

Might be right on the used car salesman. Have to know how to maximize profits and losses :cool:
 

Turtle

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They are obligated to register the vehicle. in order to do so, you MUST have insurance.
Well, you're only obligated to register the vehicle if you want to operate it on the public roads. If you don't, then you're not.
 

cubansammich

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The Affordable Care Act mandates health insurance for citizens as a condition of being a legal citizen, of living here, of breathing.

Horse hockey. those who do not have a job will not be obligated to purchase insurance and they will be covered. This wouldn't be possible if the ACA were a condition of citizenship as you say. The rest of us can pay the fine if we don't want to participate in the program.

That's precisely what it is. It establishes and regulates medical health insurance in direct compliance with the theories of socialism. That's the actual definition of socialized medicine.

Wrong again. The healthcare system will not be administered by the government as it is in nations with socialized medicine. Your misunderstanding of the what the Affordable Care Act is not your fault. The democrats should have done a far better job of explaining it to the american people. Few understand it fully.
 

xiggi

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Horse hockey. those who do not have a job will not be obligated to purchase insurance and they will be covered. This wouldn't be possible if the ACA were a condition of citizenship as you say. The rest of us can pay the fine if we don't want to participate in the program.



Wrong again. The healthcare system will not be administered by the government as it is in nations with socialized medicine. Your misunderstanding of the what the Affordable Care Act is not your fault. The democrats should have done a far better job of explaining it to the american people. Few understand it fully.

Your first statement, everyone will be required to purchase insurance. Low income will be in a government pool and depending on earnings it will discounted to as low as 0 dollars the tab picked up by tax payers. After paying the fine or tax as the court called it you must enroll in the program to get treatment.

Second it will be administered by a 15 member panel of appointed people and they will be government employees. All guidelines will be derived by government they will also set the rules for the insurance companies.

The only thing the dems failed to explain is how much harm it will do to both our medical system and the federal and state budgets they have increased taxes and taken money from both Medicare and social security to help pay for it.

You seem to be one of those not fully understanding it. When goverment writes the rules and has final say so they are the administrators.

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cubansammich

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Your first statement, everyone will be required to purchase insurance. Low income will be in a government pool and depending on earnings it will discounted to as low as 0 dollars the tab picked up by tax payers. After paying the fine or tax as the court called it you must enroll in the program to get treatment.

Second it will be administered by a 15 member panel of appointed people and they will be goverment employees. All guidelines will be derived by goverment they will also set the rules for the insurance companies.

What worthwhile program is not administered or overseen by a goverment board or panel? Whatever it is it ain't socialism. This panel will not be approving or disallowing services or procedures on a case by case basis nor will the doctors and other service providers be being paid by the goverment as in a socialized system. To the low income issue zero dollars equals not having to pay.

The only thing the dems failed to explain is how much harm it will do to both our medical system and the federal and state budgets they have increased taxes and taken money from both Medicare and social security to help pay for it.

There is no evidence of this when you take in to consideration dollars lost from the billions of services already rendered but yet to be paid for at emergency rooms, clinics, urgent cares, etc..

You seem to be one of those not fully understanding it. When goverment writes the rules and has final say so they are the administrators.

I suppose we are doomed then. The big scary goverment is going to own us.
 
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