Will you Step up?

davekc

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If GATS isn't ... then please tell where is???


Hmmmm....?????

At GATS, Hope Rivenburgh will have an opportunity like none other ... to meet with the players of the industry, as well as many drivers ... to help educate and inform over 20,000 in 3 days about the proposed legislation.

At GATS, the folks with Jason's Law will have an opportunity to gain over 20,000 signatures to the petition to encourage Congress to act. And these will be signatures from those most greatly effected by the legislation ... YOU !!

Hope and her group are not looking for anything in return ... she is doing this out of the generosity of her heart. And the realization that through her husband's murder, she and her family can make a difference.

Hope Rivenburgh didn't write the legislation, HR2156 and S971. It is pending legislation written by, presented by and sponsored by a number of Congressman and Senators.

This legislation starts to address a number of issues that have been plaguing the trucking industry since I started driving in 1992 ... and many years prior ... the lack of adequate and safe parking for truckers.

Are you aware that Virginia is CLOSING 18 rest areas this week !!

Read this ... Va. About to Close 18 Rest Stops


Or how about this ... New Mexico to consider closing rest areas

Or this ... Vermont considers closing more roadside rest areas

Truckers complain that no one cares about the trucker ... yet when you have someone doing something for you ... you trash them, disparage them, and ridicule others that are supporting their actions.

In all honesty, you make me sick to my stomach to say that you are part of the industry that I am proud to be part of.

Hold on their padre.
Just who do you think you are? You come on here wanting a handout, and then trash the very people you are trying to solicit money from for a cause that will change very little.
You wanted to know where to go? Washington where the bill will be voted on. Already mentioned. If it is to be voted on, the signatures from a truck show attendee(s) will have little value.
While I applaud the effort, this bill would bring maybe recognition to the parking issue, but nothing else.
I think Turtle, Pelican, Greg and Highway echoed my thoughts perfectly, so no need to repeat the same thing.
A bill to tax business for truck parking is foolish. As mentioned, it is a comfort bill.
Just have to realize, bad things can happen to good people.
Where are you putting this parking in downtown NYC, Chicago,, or LA?
Would you be discriminating against "certain" businesses.
Guess what? Your not. Proper trip planning is the solution.
BTW...........if you are thinking of throwing some money in the pot for travel and signatures, our most recent trip to Hawaii indicated that they have a serious parking problem that need addressed.
I personally find some of your comments offensive to others.
Hope that didn't make you sick.:eek:
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Thank you for all your sound advice ... maybe you need to direct it to the folks at Jason's Law. I'm confident that they will appreciate your sound advice.

Here is the web site ...

Jason's Law

And here is how you can email them with all your great suggestions... Contact Jason's Law

BTW, you are aware that Hope has twin infants 3 months old ... you want them to ride in a big rig from Albany, NY to Dallas TX??

You are a sport, aren't you?

You know you just blew it.

I was going to send an email off to a few who could have and would have helped if I asked them to. I won't now for any reason.

I don't know the situation of the family nor their travel plans, so I did not know about two 3 month old kids traveling. I would not want them to go there because to me that is too irresponsible as a parent to risk the kids in today's climate, swine flu and so on.

Honestly the messenger matters just as much as the message, I will stay mute on this bill when I talk to my representative and senators in the next few weeks. However I will again bring to them my concerns about the HOS issues to see if they will get it on their agendas - seeing that is mine and most of the trucking professions cause to begin with.

As for compassion, I don't sit there and criticize people for not caring, I have enough to worry about. I instead have been doing this long enough, longer than you have been in this industry and don't need someone like you to tell me about my concerns.

If my suggestions are helpful, then next time you talk to Hope, make them to her..you have my permission to forward my suggestions. I won't contact anyone, it is not my cause.

I think it is time to lock the thread.......
 
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pelicn

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Keeshond0622,

What you are trying to do is admirable but instead of arguing with us about the merits of the cause, put your energy into doing what Greg has suggested.

Also, in answer to your question, Yes, I do know that VA is closing rest areas. I have spoken to many friends that live in that state and they in turn called their respective representatives to voice their opinions on the matter.
 

Turtle

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Are you aware that Virginia is CLOSING 18 rest areas this week !!
Yeah, read Post #13 above, pay particular attention to paragraph three. I detailed it pretty well. Did you not read that part? There's a lot of other really important information in that post you should wrap your brain around, too.
 

Keeshond0622

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Keeshond0622,

What you are trying to do is admirable but instead of arguing with us about the merits of the cause, put your energy into doing what Greg has suggested.

Also, in answer to your question, Yes, I do know that VA is closing rest areas. I have spoken to many friends that live in that state and they in turn called their respective representatives to voice their opinions on the matter.

Why argue?? Why not pull your hands out of your pockets and give $2.00 to help get the "voice of trucking" for this issue to GATS ... so they can gather more grass roots support for this legislation?

As I said before, the trucking big wigs are sitting back and watching the truckers ... your inaction speaks volumes.

As far as VA rest areas ... this just might be a way to help re-open those rest areas.

Oh, BTW, do you realize that there is an organization that is fighting against "commercializing" the rest areas ... because they want travelers to get off the interstates into little convenience store areas?



Gee, thats a safe place to pull a big rig, eh?

Check this out ... Jobs Next Exit

They argue that if rest areas are commercialized .. then truckstops will go out of business. As you and I know ... that is not the case.

The issue is providing safe, secure truck parking ... not forcing every truck into already overburdened truckstops, to provide merchants with a buck.

As I've said before, if giving a $2 contribution is going to break you, please call me personally ... I'll understand. (You can find my phone number on the donation page at GoTruckStop.com)
 

davekc

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Staff member
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Maybe you have heard of the old saying "delivery is everything"?
A two dollar donation isn't your biggest obstacle.
You would have been better served by coming on and asking for ideas and contributing thoughts PRIOR to soliciting money.
Then your cause would have likely gained a little more traction.
Spending thousands to get a specific person to a truck show won't get you closer to what you are trying to accomplish.
 

Keeshond0622

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You would have been better served by coming on and asking for ideas and contributing thoughts PRIOR to soliciting money.
Then your cause would have likely gained a little more traction.
Spending thousands to get a specific person to a truck show won't get you closer to what you are trying to accomplish.

You aren't serious are you?

Is your poor ego hurt because Hope Rivenburgh didn't ask you first if she should start a project to benefit truck drivers and the lack of parking issue?

Sir, this is the best way to get the message out ... Hope Rivenburgh, the widow of Jason Rivenburgh, is the "face" of this issue. She, but not only her, has lost a husband, specifically because there was a lack of SAFE parking areas for big rigs near where her late husband was delivering.

It is sad to see that as a moderator of such a fine web site as this is ... that you fail to grasp the concept here.

This is not a "fun time" for Hope and all the folks involved. Let me say this again, as stronly as I may ...

Jason Rivenburgh was KILLED ... Shot dead ... by 2 punks.

Hope would give anything to have him back ... but 2 punks snuffed out a life. A death that did not need to occur, if there was more safe, secure parking for big rigs.

I have finally come to the realization that furthering this conversation is useless ... some folks just don't grasp the concept here.
 
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Turtle

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Why argue?? Why not pull your hands out of your pockets and give $2.00 to help get the "voice of trucking" for this issue to GATS ... so they can gather more grass roots support for this legislation?
Grassroots or not, the Bill will pass. It's a non-threatening, ultra-non-controversial Bill that costs pocket change and feels good, and more importantly, will make a representative look good when he snags some of the money for his home district for the show. Beating the grass for the "voice of trucking" to be heard is superfluous and won't matter.

As I said before, the trucking big wigs are sitting back and watching the truckers ... your inaction speaks volumes.
The trucking big could care less. How much money did OOIDA and ATA throw into the pot?

As far as VA rest areas ... this just might be a way to help re-open those rest areas.
Have you not read, carefully, what has been written? Even if this Bill opens them back up, they aren't sustainable because the taxpayer money isn't there to sustain it. Besides, rest areas are one of the most dangerous places to park. They are no more secure than an abandoned gas station in South Carolina. In fact, I've slept at the spot Hope's husband was shot, and there are two gas stations right across the street with lots of traffic, people and activity, which isn't the case at most truck stops at night.

Oh, BTW, do you realize that there is an organization that is fighting against "commercializing" the rest areas ... because they want travelers to get off the interstates into little convenience store areas?
Yeah. These are the same people who have "NO TRUCKS" at the entrance to their establishments, and "NO DOG WALKING" along the sides of the parking lot.

They argue that if rest areas are commercialized .. then truckstops will go out of business. As you and I know ... that is not the case.
The truck stops know better, too.

The issue is providing safe, secure truck parking ... not forcing every truck into already overburdened truckstops, to provide merchants with a buck.
If the issue is safe, secure truck parking, why are you banging the drum for more and larger rest areas, when rest areas are shown, without a doubt, to the one of the unsafest places to park? The only way to have safe, secure truck parking to prevent a random act of violence is to have private armed security, and lots of it, at all these easy on easy off turnouts, rest areas and bull pens. This Bill doesn't come close to doing that.

As I've said before, if giving a $2 contribution is going to break you, please call me personally ... I'll understand. (You can find my phone number on the donation page at GoTruckStop.com)
I watched the evolution of all this at askthetrucker.com (and a couple of other places) as it happened. I think you stepped up and told Hope that you'd get her and her entourage to GATS, no problem, you'll handle it, you'll be the hero, and now you're coming up a little short and don't want to look the fool.

Sir, this is the best way to get the message out...
No, it's not. Besides, it's a message that doesn't even need to be gotten out. It's already in committee and is certainly to pass without a second thought by Congress.

Jason Rivenburgh was KILLED ... Shot dead ... by 2 punks.
It would really help your cause of you knew he actual facts of the case. If he was shot by 2 punks, how come the police arrested 1, charged him with murder, and then arrested his two buddies for accessory after the fact and were both released on bond?

A death that did not need to occur, if there was more safe, secure parking for big rigs.
That's an assumption you cannot make. This was a random act of violence. There are truck stops 9 miles and 14 miles from where he parked and was shot. There are also two truck stops 25 miles north of where he parked, both of which he drove right past to get to Exit 136 where he parked. A lack of safe, secure parking for big rigs did not play a factor here.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
If you ask me I think it would be better to get some kinda of legislation passed to allow drivers to carry some kind of protection in the truck with them if they would like. Something like a taser or pistol. Just my thoughts. Then if you go through the proper steps to get the certification then you buy the weapon with your own money. Business and government is strapped for cash enough already without asking for more. If some of those drivers that have been killed woulda pulled a pistol and started sending rounds down range they maybe alive today. That's my thoughts. Thank you.
 

highway star

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It is sad to see that as a moderator of such a fine web site as this is ... that you fail to grasp the concept here.

This is not a "fun time" for Hope and all the folks involved. Let me say this again, as stronly as I may ...

Jason Rivenburgh was KILLED ... Shot dead ... by 2 punks.


I have finally come to the realization that furthering this conversation is useless ... some folks just don't grasp the concept here.

Make no mistake, we all think this is very, very sad. As you keep pointing out, there's a widow and children suffering greatly from this. Of course we get that, but you keep insulting our intelligence by suggesting we, somehow, don't.

The concept we grasp, very well, is that these things are a sad fact of life. Talking down to the members here because they can separate compassion from common sense isn't doing you any good. If you get your booth at GATS, will you be as condesending to the people that don't support you when you're face to face?
 

Keeshond0622

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If you get your booth at GATS, will you be as condesending to the people that don't support you when you're face to face?

Sir, I am going to be as plain and succinct as I can be ...

GoTruckStop.com nor I will be at the GATS.

Hope Rivenburgh and Jason's Law WILL BE AT GATS - with or without your help !!

I have donated ... (get it?) ... given my booth ($1200 value) to Hope Rivenburgh and Jason's Law. (no strings attached)

I personally can not afford a second booth at GATS ... there will be other shows for GoTruckStop.com ... but the timing is right for Jason's Law to be at GATS.

I have personally donated $130 to offset their travel expenses.

I have personally donated the cost of the carpeting , tables and chairs ($141- Show Special) for the booth.

Even more importantly, others have given over $550 of their own money to help offset travel expenses, through our fund-raising efforts. And to of those ... I personally say THANK YOU !!

The BIG questions is ...

Do you have enough compassion, gumption and what it takes to take your hands out of your pocket and cough up a dollar or two to help offset travel expenses for an organization that is attempting to do something that will impact you and others in your industry in a POSITIVE way ... more safe and secure parking areas?

We are ALL big boys here ... if the directness of my words make you "feel" uneasy ... I have succeeded.

This is the time to show if you are real man ... the type of man your Grandmother and Mother would be proud of.

If you don't understand these words ... then I guess you never will.

'Nuff said !!

 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
TJ,
What organization are you representing?

I can not find any information about any application for exemption or one that was given to anyone involved in the family or in the area of the family.

The link you posted goes to your website, and then it goes to Paypal, which there is no disclosure of who owns that account.
 

Keeshond0622

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TJ,
What organization are you representing?

I can not find any information about any application for exemption or one that was given to anyone involved in the family or in the area of the family.

The link you posted goes to your website, and then it goes to Paypal, which there is no disclosure of who owns that account.

That is a very good question ...

The answer was addressed in our very fist post ...

Let me make this clear .. the donations are going to Hope & Jason's Law ... not GoTruckStop.com (GoTruckStop.com is simply using their PayPal account as a payment method.)

If you feel more comfortable contacting others involved with the fund raising to make sure this is legit ... feel free.

If you are involved with Twitter ...

Try ....

@JasonsLaw

@TruckerDesiree

@askthetrucker

Or even call Bonnie Gamble at the Great American Trucking Show ... (888)349-4287 or email her at Bonnie Gamble

I am confident that they will vouch for my sincerity and honesty.

GoTruckStop.com is simply collecting the funds to be forwarded to Hope and Jason's Law ... just as if you were helping to raise monies at a bar or restaurant for "Jerry's Kids" by buying a "shamrock" or other ...

And in fact GoTruckStop.com is also kicking in the fees that PayPal charges to process your donations, since PayPal deducts a portion of the funds for their processing fees.

Right now that's another $50 or so.

So how about it ....

 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I am not asking anyone else, I am asking you - What organization are you representing?

There is a BIG difference between The Muscular Dystrophy Association (aka Jerry's kids) which helps many and one that is helping one family to pass one law. The fund raising that is done through The Muscular Dystrophy Association is not what you are doing in any way.

Now it is Hope and Jason's law?
 

Keeshond0622

Not a Member
I am not asking anyone else, I am asking you - What organization are you representing?

There is a BIG difference between The Muscular Dystrophy Association (aka Jerry's kids) which helps many and one that is helping one family to pass one law. The fund raising that is done through The Muscular Dystrophy Association is not what you are doing in any way.

Now it is Hope and Jason's law?

GoTruckStop.com and others are putting together a fund raising effort to help offset the costs involved with Jason's Law attending the Great American Trucking Show ... plain and simple.

All donations and contributions will go directly to Jason's Law ... through GoTruckStop.com's PayPal account.

How much plainer do I need to be?

But since you mentioned numbers ... if Jason's Law is passed and signed ... it will have a positive effect on millions of truckers, rv'ers, and the motoring public.


(Side Note : I really want to thank you for asking ALL these questions ... it keeps this thread at the top of the forum. ;);) )
 
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chefdennis

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I contribute to many charities over a yrs time, i have said here on these forms that what people should do and where those in need should go before they seek governmental help...your efforts to help should have been seen as a good thing...but instead when questioned your attitude was to turn on the very people you are looking for help from, thats just not smart business....and speaking of business, I have to wonder what your argumenative stance and attacks on people on here are doing to any business that you would have hoped to gain from those that come to this forum.......i mean it looks as if you wanted our business before this deal with Jasons Law....the way you have attacked people here, i know for me, you won't be selling be anything at all ever........

It might be time for you to just pack it in...those here that you wanted to get in touch with have read your thread...you ain't gettin any new readers from here on out, just those lookin to see how far this will carry out............

As a businessman, you have handled this whole thing here in a bad way from the start.....and that is sad..you have aleinated the very people you wanted to draw to the cause and to your business.......
 

greg334

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Well OK what ever TJ.

I promise this is my last post on this subject....

1 - the use of your website and not the family's website is the first flag that popped up and is one way that shows that they are either not involved with the fund raising or even know about it. Nothing is mentioned on their website about even going to the show nor anyone involved. It would seem to me that using their website is the only way to do this and if they have time to travel to a show, then they have time to post something on their site. The family or the bank should be in control of the money, not you. Being blunt, I feel you are using this as a marketing ploy because you have consistently brought up what you have given and have been very aggressive on giving.

2 - you have used the word organization indicates you represent a legitimate charitable organization who has done the proper work to get the permits to solicit for donations in other states outside of New York. If you don't represent them, say so AND MAKE IT CLEAR. Get the family involved to make sure that you are not just raising fund to raise funds and be a hero.

3 - there is laws setup to prevent fraud, one such law which seems to be uniformed is that anyone can donate to a family to help them, but the money has to go to helping the family with expenses like burial fees, medical fees, shelter issues, etc.... This does not mean paying for trips to get support for a bill in congress, that is a political issue which is another thing that means that they may be liable for the taxes of all the stuff they get (booth, chairs, carpet, air fare, etc...).

For those who think I am rambling on and on about this, it is important that we protect charities who actually serve a purpose by making sure others follow the laws and not to donate ad hoc or use donations improperly. I have seen some serious abuse and charities hurt by people 'doing the right thing'. I would rather see legit donations happen through the right channels and fight for that.

I think that we should help the family out, using the address that Turtle has posted...... you know $500 or so would be better used to help the kids out in their future by buying a savings bond but not giving money to them to get them to a show for a bill - wheres the compassion with a trip to Dallas.
 

Turtle

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I've watched the evolution of all this and can see how it happened. So, TJ's bald faced deception in the GPS threads (and others in other places) notwithstanding, I don't doubt his sincerity and honesty in this matter, where all funds collected will go towards the expenses of getting the Rivenburgs and the Hardendorfs to GATS. It's a sincere, if not emotional cause he has undertaken. The problem I have is his hostility towards those who do not share his emotion in the matter. As someone who has worked in sales, I know that emotion-based sales do not work very well unless you are able to get the buyer to take on the same emotion as the seller. Otherwise, it's just guilt-based sales, couped with seller anger to reinforce it, which is what we have here.

This is the crux of the problem right here:

"Do you have enough compassion, gumption and what it takes to take your hands out of your pocket and cough up a dollar or two to help offset travel expenses for an organization that is attempting to do something that will impact you and others in your industry in a POSITIVE way ... more safe and secure parking areas?

We are ALL big boys here ... if the directness of my words make you "feel" uneasy ... I have succeeded."


In failing to engender the proper emotion in the buyer, the last line is clearly a statement of failure, because few here, if any, feel uneasy over the directness of his words. Ticked off that someone would come on here and talk down to us like that, maybe, but not uneasy or guilty, that's for sure. And here's why: I can't speak for everyone here, but I would guess that most here do, in fact, have the compassion, the gumption and whatever it takes to cough up a dollar or two for a worthy cause. But the cause being promoted here isn't a worthy one. It's supposed to be all about safe and secure parking areas, but the Bill doesn't do that. Also, this is a Bill that is very likely to pass whether the "voice of trucking" is heard loudly or at all, so "getting the word out" at a truck show isn't a worthy cause, either, much less is the travel expenses for those to do so.

Sorry, TJ but that's just the way it is. If the Bill was one that would really make a difference, or if getting the word out were important, you'd have no problem in getting together enough funds to get Hope and her family to Dallas. As Greg said, this is a political issue, and while you may think it will have a positive effect on millions of truckers, rv'ers, and the motoring public, I think you're wrong. I know you are, as this Bill doesn't do anything substantial or different than what we already have out there, so it won't change a thing.

I feel for Hope and her family. I really do. My brother died a month after his 40th birthday and left behind a wife with three kids, 3-year old boy/girl twins and a 1-year old girl. And even though this Bill isn't much likely to make one bit of difference to the situation that got her husband killed, and getting the word out in a grass roots effort will make even less of a difference (other than it will, hopefully, make drivers even more aware their surroundings), I think it's a good thing that she has found something to occupy her time and thoughts. My sister-in-law didn't have that. I do with her and those kids all the happiness that life can provide.
 

Keeshond0622

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the way you have attacked people here, i know for me, you won't be selling be anything at all ever........

It might be time for you to just pack it in...those here that you wanted to get in touch with have read your thread...you ain't gettin any new readers from here on out, just those lookin to see how far this will carry out............

As a businessman, you have handled this whole thing here in a bad way from the start.....and that is sad..you have aleinated the very people you wanted to draw to the cause and to your business.......

First of all, maybe this is hard for you to believe ... but it was NEVER about benefiting GoTruckStop.com

I offered my booth at GATS out of generosity ... nothing more , nothing less.

I stepped up to the plate in putting together the fund raising page ... to help off-set the costs of Jason's Law going to the GATS show ... nothing more, nothing less.

I pledged $130 of my own money ... t o provide an example ... nothing more, nothing less. (I darn well had better put my money where my mouth was.)

I stepped up to the table and pledged to pay for the carpet, tables and chairs for the booth at GATS ... where it was clear and evident that your wonderful OOIDA and the ATA (both whom support Jason's Law ... OOIDA Call to Action - "Jason's Law" ) were NOT going to help out. (As far as I know, and I have daily contact with Hope Rivenburgh ... they have not stepped up as of last night.)

This has never been about me, or GoTruckStop.com or anything else ... it has always been about getting off one's butt ... and making a difference.

As Gen. Colin Powell used to tell his folks at America's Promise ... "Get out the stands ... and on to the field."

I appreciate your comments and it is unfortunate that you have such a sour attitude toward just giving a simple $2.00.

It's OK ... we didn't have the folks that are continuing this argument from the beginning anyway. As I said before ... the big wigs and some journalists believe that truckers are just "dumb, fat, and lazy ... and love to b*tch and complain. But when it comes to helping themselves ... they would rather b*tch and complain."

Not my attitude and belief ... but you know what, after reading some of the posts here ... I'm having second thoughts.
 
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