Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

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No you won't. You'll divert it to something else.

Or, you'll assert that a wide aerial shot of the Ferguson protests show thousands of black Fox News contributors.

On the Fox News website, they feature photos of their 42 program hosts. How many of them are black? One. That's 2%, just like milk.

Of the 162 Fox News contributors listed on their site, 13 are black. That's a massive 8%. Woot! They don't contribute a whole lot, though. The 8% of black contributors contribute less than 3% of the news reports.

But wait, there's more!

Just 17% of the commercials shown on Fox News feature blacks (compared to 30% on CNN).

When Fox News interviews a black person, it is virtually always via satellite instead of having them there in the building in-studio. Of all of the Fox News guests, 88% are white, 2.7% are Latin, 1.8% of Middle Eastern descent, .8% are Asian, other and undetermined. 6.7% are black.

Fox News averages just under 29,000 black viewers in Prime Time. That's a paltry 1.38% of the massively massive #1 Cable News Network.

I can think of a back female anchor who co hosts a news show - Arthell Neville. A black co anchor of a news show -Kelly Wright. The White House corespondent Wendell Goler. A black female anchor that has two shows on Fox. One is seen 5 days a week, in the middle of the day. And shockingly she is in studio actually sitting on a couch next to her other co hosts. Oh the horror. (Dripping sarcasm)
Don't forget Juan Williams who can also be seen as a commentator on numerous Fox News shows as well as filling in for Oreilly's show. Imagine that? Having the black liberal sub for his show? BTW, he is also a 'Fox AllStar' who can also be seen sitting at a round table(in studio) with the other white guests. - Fox Special Report
Seriously, the comment about having them on remote, it's just a retarded statement.
I'll have more later, but just wanted to correct some info. There is more than ONE minority that hosts or co hosts a show. More later.
 

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Most of it is playing to your audience. Fox is doing something right because the ratings show that. But no different than the other major networks. Anchors are generally white. Even NBC except on the weekends where you have Lester Holt. There are exceptions, but most follow those "industry standards" on a national level.
 

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Except the picture didn't have one minority in it, which is factually untrue.
If you're gonna do this, you really need to learn how to say what you mean. What that sentence says is, it's factually untrue that the picture doesn't have one minority in it, because the picture does, in fact, have one minority in it. It's bad enough to not understand what you read, but you don't even understand what you write.

The implication from the photo was that they have ZERO blacks and minorities and are ALL white on Fox News,(not a large representative, as most do) and they are racist.
That may be the inference you chose to place on it, but the implication of (not from. but of, as infer is how you take it; imply is how it was meant) the photo is that they have all white blondes on Fox News, and that they're racist. It's funny because it's, well, you know. :D

Good to know you were just looking for a chuckle and not actually looking for accuracy. Doesn't surprise me on the latter though.
Nothing wrong with a chuckle now and then to lighten things up. Calm down, it's only the Internet.
 

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I can think of a back female anchor who co hosts a news show - Arthell Neville. A black co anchor of a news show -Kelly Wright. The White House corespondent Wendell Goler. A black female anchor that has two shows on Fox. One is seen 5 days a week, in the middle of the day. And shockingly she is in studio actually sitting on a couch next to her other co hosts. Oh the horror. (Dripping sarcasm)
Don't forget Juan Williams who can also be seen as a commentator on numerous Fox News shows as well as filling in for Oreilly's show. Imagine that? Having the black liberal sub for his show? BTW, he is also a 'Fox AllStar' who can also be seen sitting at a round table(in studio) with the other white guests. - Fox Special Report
What is that, like five? Wow. Be that as it may, like I said, these numbers are according to Fox News' website. If you feel these numbers don't accurately reflect what is on Fox News, then you need to take it up with Fox News directly.

Seriously, the comment about having them on remote, it's just a retarded statement.
Retarded or not, it is, nevertheless, true. There are people who monitor and keep track of this stuff.

I'll have more later, but just wanted to correct some info. There is more than ONE minority that hosts or co hosts a show. More later.
There may very well be more than one, but not according to the Fox News website.
 

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Most of it is playing to your audience. Fox is doing something right because the ratings show that. But no different than the other major networks. Anchors are generally white. Even NBC except on the weekends where you have Lester Holt. There are exceptions, but most follow those "industry standards" on a national level.
Anchors need to be white... they just do.
That's the "Santa Clause is white... he just is" argument.

"Industry standards" versus "industry norms" and/or "accepted / acceptable practices" could be debated.

CNN has 36 program hosts, 9 of which are black. That's 25%, compared to Fox's 2%. On correspondents, compared to Fox News' 8%, CNN's are 17% black.

That's enough of a skew of disparity to be noticed, worthy of remark.

Fox News, despite their mantras to the contrary, is straight up right wing partisan, and their viewers, at less than 2% black, reflect that. So it's not exactly shocking that their on-air talent is closer to that demographic. But to suggest that Fox News is virtually awash with on-air black talent and that they accurately reflect the American people, as some so desperately want to claim, is just ridiculous.

It would not be incorrect, or wrong, to state, of the major news networks in North America, Fox News is far and away the whitest and the blondest.

They may even lead the World in that category, but Sweden may have them on the blonde front. :D
 

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Anchors need to be white... they just do.
That's the "Santa Clause is white... he just is" argument.

"Industry standards" versus "industry norms" and/or "accepted / acceptable practices" could be debated.

CNN has 36 program hosts, 9 of which are black. That's 25%, compared to Fox's 2%. On correspondents, compared to Fox News' 8%, CNN's are 17% black.

That's enough of a skew of disparity to be noticed, worthy of remark.

Fox News, despite their mantras to the contrary, is straight up right wing partisan, and their viewers, at less than 2% black, reflect that. So it's not exactly shocking that their on-air talent is closer to that demographic. But to suggest that Fox News is virtually awash with on-air black talent and that they accurately reflect the American people, as some so desperately want to claim, is just ridiculous.

It would not be incorrect, or wrong, to state, of the major news networks in North America, Fox News is far and away the whitest and the blondest.

They may even lead the World in that category, but Sweden may have them on the blonde front. :D

Very true. Probably the same, no I think less on Hispanics. I can only think of Geraldo. Could be another one but I can't think who it would be? Before I forget, he hosts his own show.lol
 
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Very true. Probably the same, no I think less on Hispanics. I can only think of Geraldo. Could be another one but I can't think who it would be? Before I forget, he hosts his own show.lol
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muttly

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If you're gonna do this, you really need to learn how to say what you mean. What that sentence says is, it's factually untrue that the picture doesn't have one minority in it, because the picture does, in fact, have one minority in it. It's bad enough to not understand what you read, but you don't even understand what you write.

That may be the inference you chose to place on it, but the implication of (not from. but of, as infer is how you take it; imply is how it was meant) the photo is that they have all white blondes on Fox News, and that they're racist. It's funny because it's, well, you know. :D

Nothing wrong with a chuckle now and then to lighten things up. Calm down, it's only the Internet.

I'm looking off the iPhone, so the pictures are small. Didn't see any black faces or minorities. You said there was one . If you're referring women as a minority, they makeup slightly over 50 % of population. Regardless, I mentioned previously that there were no Blacks in the photo.
The inference was there are all whites in the photo and that is what Fox News is. And the reason they're all white is because they are racists.
 

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I'm looking off the iPhone, so the pictures are small. Didn't see any black faces or minorities. You said there was one .
No, I didn't say there was one. You did. You didn't mean to say that. It's not the message you wanted to say, but it is, nevertheless, what your sentence said.

Let's look at the sentence again, shall we?

"Except the picture didn't have one minority in it, which is factually untrue."

OK, so what is factually untrue? The answer is, "the picture didn't have one minority in it." The picture is the subject of the sentence.

If it's not true (a lie, or factually untrue) that the picture didn't have one minority in it, then the picture must therefore have at least one minority in it. But the picture doesn't have one minority in it. So the statement, "except the picture didn't have one minority in it" is a true statement. It is factually true.

What you meant to say, what you wanted to say (it seems to me) is, "Except the picture shows that only blonde white people work at Fox News, which is factually inaccurate."

You still would have missed the joke, but at least your statement would have been true and accurate.

The inference was there are all whites in the photo and that is what Fox News is. And the reason they're all white is because they are racists.
Correct. The picture is designed to make fun of Fox News by bringing up the Fox News stereotype, namely: blonde, white and racist.

And, lest we not forget, I feel it incumbent upon me to mention that all stereotypes are rooted somewhere in the truth, to one degree or another, and that the on-air talent at Fox News is overwhelmingly white, blonde, and "Jesus is white... he just is."
 

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What is that, like five? Wow. Be that as it may, like I said, these numbers are according to Fox News' website. If you feel these numbers don't accurately reflect what is on Fox News, then you need to take it up with Fox News directly.

Retarded or not, it is, nevertheless, true. There are people who monitor and keep track of this stuff.

There may very well be more than one, but not according to the Fox News website.

Whoever keeps track of it( media matters) I would take with a grain of salt. Having people on Satellite is more practical most of the time. The fact that Media Matters would try to extrapolate some type of racial thing from blacks being interviewed not in studio says a lot about their agenda. Just yesterday, Megan Kelly was interviewing a black police captain from Milwaukee. I guess to clear up any notion, they should have told him to put aside that police thing for a moment and fly to New York, so he can be interviewed for five minutes. Not really practical is it? But I guess Media Matters documented that as yet another example if a black interviewed on remote.
Media Matters obviously didn't include the black news anchors I listed that are on for numerous hours on numerous days. It also didn't measure HOW MUCH a black contributor like the very liberal Juan Williams gave commentary on various shows. If they did, it would be a great deal. He's on about every show as a guest. Probably the most of any contributor, and he's black.
 

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Whoever keeps track of it( media matters) I would take with a grain of salt.
You don't even know who it is, but by gum you're gonna take it with a grain of salt. But no, the information did not originate at Media Matters.

Media Matters obviously didn't include the black news anchors I listed that are on for numerous hours on numerous days. It also didn't measure HOW MUCH a black contributor like the very liberal Juan Williams gave commentary on various shows. If they did, it would be a great deal. He's on about every show as a guest. Probably the most of any contributor, and he's black.
What part of "according to the Fox News website" are you having the most difficulty with? Perhaps I can help.
 

muttly

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Anchors need to be white... they just do.
That's the "Santa Clause is white... he just is" argument.

"Industry standards" versus "industry norms" and/or "accepted / acceptable practices" could be debated.

CNN has 36 program hosts, 9 of which are black. That's 25%, compared to Fox's 2%. On correspondents, compared to Fox News' 8%, CNN's are 17% black.

That's enough of a skew of disparity to be noticed, worthy of remark.

Fox News, despite their mantras to the contrary, is straight up right wing partisan, and their viewers, at less than 2% black, reflect that. So it's not exactly shocking that their on-air talent is closer to that demographic. But to suggest that Fox News is virtually awash with on-air black talent and that they accurately reflect the American people, as some so desperately want to claim, is just ridiculous.

It would not be incorrect, or wrong, to state, of the major news networks in North America, Fox News is far and away the whitest and the blondest.

They may even lead the World in that category, but Sweden may have them on the blonde front. :D

There could be other reasons there aren't more at Fox News. One is the low amount of blacks that go into journalism. So there isn't a vast pool to begin with. Generally the people that get into journalism tend to be more liberal and many do it for idealistic reasons. They tend to be less conservative. Blacks in general tend to be democrats. (Over 90% vote democrat) Black journalists are probably even more liberal and ideological than the black pollution as a whole. Many might be reluctant to work for Fox News because they are 'conservative' leaning. Just like conservatives would be reluctant to work for MSNBC. Many prefer to go into black media news outlets instead of staying in the 'mainstream' media outlets, so they can do the stories they prefer or can relate to more .The ones that do decide to work at Fox News probably come under some amount criticism from peers for working there.
I don't think it is about Fox News being racist and reluctant to hire them.Again, the ones that Fox News have on the air, are contributing quite a bit on various shows that don't show up in a Think Progress statistic.There isn't any dictate from Rupert Murdoch or Roger Ailes to keep them off the air.
Regarding the low viewership. The main reason can be attributed to the fact that many aren't conservatives. So they won't have the same interest in watching a news program that leans conservative.
Blacks in general(like anyone else) won't automatically tune in to watch other blacks on a news program if they don't share their ideology, just like they won't vote for one in politics for the same reason.
 
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You don't even know who it is, but by gum you're gonna take it with a grain of salt. But no, the information did not originate at Media Matters.


What part of "according to the Fox News website" are you having the most difficulty with? Perhaps I can help.

You said there was only ONE black that had a show . It didn't include the numerous anchors that routinely host and cohost multiple hours of newscasts.
 

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You said there was only ONE black that had a show . It didn't include the numerous anchors that routinely host and cohost multiple hours of newscasts.
Yes I did say that. And I said that because that's what it says at the Fox News website. That's what "according to the Fox News website" means.

AND, like I ALSO said, "If you feel these numbers don't accurately reflect what is on Fox News, then you need to take it up with Fox News directly."


 

RLENT

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If you're gonna do this, you really need to learn how to say what you mean. What that sentence says is, it's factually untrue that the picture doesn't have one minority in it, because the picture does, in fact, have one minority in it. It's bad enough to not understand what you read, but you don't even understand what you write.
But ya gotta admit, it is pretty hilarious.

It's kinda like watching someone try to use a dangerous power tool that they really aren't competent with ...

The comedic possibilities are nearly infinite ...

That may be the inference you chose to place on it, but the implication of (not from. but of, as infer is how you take it; imply is how it was meant) the photo is that they have all white blondes on Fox News, and that they're racist. It's funny because it's, well, you know. :D
No ... he clearly doesn't know ...

Nothing wrong with a chuckle now and then to lighten things up. Calm down, it's only the Internet.
But, but , but ... you don't understand: it's Fox News ... The Oracle Of The Divine "Conservative" Truth ...

Chuckling at the expense of The Oracle is tantamount to blasphemy ...
 
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RLENT

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What is that, like five? Wow.
Someone who isn't real sharp might not understand when they are, in fact, making the case for something they are actually trying to refute ...

Retarded or not, it is, nevertheless, true. There are people who monitor and keep track of this stuff.
Fanatical ideological extremists are usually impervious to truth ...

It's just in their makeup ...
 
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