Why decent people hate cops, Chapter 10,309

[xiggi]

There is three branches to government the judicial branch being one.

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[layoutshooter]

There is three branches to government the judicial branch being one.

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I am well aware of the three branches of government. I asked, where does the political power reside under the Constitution? I was taught that the People controlled the government and the government was subserviant to them. Which is why I asked, is it possible for the courts, or the government in general, to overstep their Constitutional bounds, and if so, do we have to do as they say? In other words, who has the final say? The courts or the People?

 

[AMonger]

Of course you did not answer my question you went with your feelings. Very liberal of you who would have known.

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I most certainly did answer your question. First, you engaged in falsehood by saying the constitution and the law are two different things. That's false. The constitution is "the supreme law of the land, and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, the laws or constitution of any state to the contrary notwithstanding." Recognize that phrase?
Second, I pointed out that their job is to execute the will of their municipality. That's what their municipality expects of them, even when that will is at odds with the law. That's how Bosses Hoggs develop.

 

[AMonger]

No you are assuming that your view is correct over those of the courts. They have found that in some cases it is constitutional to suspend gun ownership rights from certain people. Sorry but we are stuck with their decisions if we agree with them or not which means it is not violating some peoples rights to be arrested for gun possession.

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You are failing to differentiate between court decisions and the law. The court cannot make law. That is the sole province of the legislature, and both the court and the legislature are subservient to the constitution. And the constitution makes no such exceptions, therefore the courts are not authorized to make exceptions.

Here's what Lincoln said about the difference between The Law and the court:

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." --Abraham Lincoln

 

[EASYTRADER]

Ziggi,

Pretty convenient that government employees can restrct your 'rights',

I see that the sates may ammend the constitution, and that the house of representatives can as well, but can you show me an article or ammendment tat gives that power to the courts?

 

[skyraider]

That's half the point. Why can cops exceed their authority, ignore the Bill of Rights, abuse citizens and get nothing for it except a commendation? Because we put up with it, and part of "we" is the servile citizens who cheer on rogue cops and thank them for what they do.
Modern law enforcement needs about 6 cups of Andy Taylor added to the mix and shaken vigorously.

AMonger is right you know:

I did not make this up , its on film , you decide, and why your at it, download the Rodney King beating, you decide about cops.

 

[skyraider]

one more time, could have been your wife or gf or daughter, what would you have done ?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

All the more reason to refuse Purgatory when offered.

Is that what you're going to do, because you knowingly voted for the lesser of two evils?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

The OP makes no logical sense.

First this: Why decent people hate cops.

Followed by a story from someone who was asked to answer a few questions from police then was thankful that he did not receive a ticket for his broken license plate light.

Not even an interesting story much less anything that could provoke hate.

A clueless person would be glad to answer some questions and might even feel silly that he got caught rubber necking and looking suspicious. Just sayin.

Sorry... had to fix it for you.

 

[AMonger]

could have been your wife or gf or daughter, what would you have done ?

Most people here, they'd say, "Well, my daughter must have done something to deserve being clubbed over the head 19 times. All hail the police! Maybe I should offer to clean her brains off of his night stick..." Badge lickers...I hate 'em.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Here's what Lincoln said about the difference between The Law and the court:

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." --Abraham Lincoln

That's funny, considering he was guilty of taking a huge steaming dump on said document.

 

[Monty]

one more time, could have been your wife or gf or daughter, what would you have done ?

First of all, you see a DRUNK patron. The fact he may be a cop is incidental to the issue.

Second, what would I have done? I sure as hell would not have SAT ON MY REAR END, as the other bar patrons did and allowed him to beat this woman.

Such incidents as this are not indicitave of general COP behavior, but it sure is the way DRUNKS act.

 

[xiggi]

I am in no way trying to say all decisions by the courts are right. What i am pointing out is cops are hired to uphold the law as deemed legal by the courts or enacted by politicians if it has not reached the courts. For them to ignore such would be ignoring their duty. They should not decide what law they will or will not enforce.

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[LDB]

I tore Purgatory out of the atlas long before I correctly voted in this election.

 

[xiggi]

Most people here, they'd say, "Well, my daughter must have done something to deserve being clubbed over the head 19 times. All hail the police! Maybe I should offer to clean her brains off of his night stick..." Badge lickers...I hate 'em.

That is an idiotic statement.

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[Monty]

Most people here, they'd say, "Well, my daughter must have done something to deserve being clubbed over the head 19 times. All hail the police! Maybe I should offer to clean her brains off of his night stick..." Badge lickers...I hate 'em.

That's a mighty big brush you use there ..... and if your hate is so profound, I am sure your next encounter with a LEO will not go so well for you.

btw, I would simply ignore your anti-establishment rants, but it's like a train wreck. You just have to see what happens next.

That said, I place no credibility in those rants.

 

[EASYTRADER]

Ziggi,

I guess we sort of agree, cops are hired thuggs to enforce the will of their employer whether it is constitutional or not.

I would not want to be a Cop today, Cops today are the equivelent to the Red Coats in 1776.

Not all British soldiers were evil, even John Adams defended the Boston Massacre guys (they were aquitted). But, unfortunately when the bullets start flying 'guilt' is determined by the color of your uniform.

It doesn't matter how many kittens you've rescued, when you come to take my gun, or house or person (deleted to prevent data mining)

Their was a truck driver in Germany who was hung at the end of the war for 'crimes against hummanity', all he did was drive a bunch of jews around in a truck where the exhaust was routed into the cargo box. The way it worked was, the Police would round up the people, load them in the truck and this guy would drive them for 2 hrs out to the country, where their asphysiated bodies were thrown it a pit.

His defense 'It was legal. . .besides I'm only a truck driver'

If you are in 'law' enforcement, you had better search your soul. Because what's legal and what's Just aren't the same thing, you will be held accountable for your actions either in this life or the next.

I don't hate cops BTW.

I have nothing further to say on this matter.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Ziggi,

I guess we sort of agree, cops are hired thuggs to enforce the will of their employer whether it is constitutional or not.

I would not want to be a Cop today, Cops today are the equivelent to the Red Coats in 1776.

Not all British soldiers were evil, even John Adams defended the Boston Massacre guys (they were aquitted). But, unfortunately when the bullets start flying 'guilt' is determined by the color of your uniform.

It doesn't matter how many kittens you've rescued, when you come to take my gun, or house or body, you're gonna get 2 in the chest and 1 in the head.

Their was a truck driver in Germany who was hung at the end of the war for 'crimes against hummanity', all he did was drive a bunch of jews around in a truck where the exhaust was routed into the cargo box. The way it worked was, the Police would round up the people, load them in the truck and this guy would drive them for 2 hrs out to the country, where their asphysiated bodies were thrown it a pit.

His defense 'It was legal. . .besides I'm only a truck driver'

If you are in 'law' enforcement, you had better search your soul. Because what's legal and what's Just aren't the same thing, you will be held accountable for your actions either in this life or the next.

I don't hate cops BTW.

I have nothing further to say on this matter.

Exactly. If you go to court, know the difference between 'legal' and 'lawful'. Use both in their right context, and you'll get taken seriously.

 

[wvcourier]

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[AMonger]

That's funny, considering he was guilty of taking a huge steaming dump on said document.

Yes, but look at it this way: if EVEN HE said this, someone who hated the constitution so much that he said if three men are in a room and one is talking about the constitution, the other two are traitors, how true must it be? It would be like your sworn enemy saying something good about you.