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What it's like at Panther
- Thread starter Bruno
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You also fail to mention the fleet owners that move from Panther to other carriers. A bit one-sided, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
I am sure there are some. I just can't think of any at the moment.
My thought wasn't why he left but rather a source for the figures you are seeking.
I am sure there are some. I just can't think of any at the moment.
My thought wasn't why he left but rather a source for the figures you are seeking.
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nightcreacher
Veteran Expediter
Bruno has a chance to compare apples to apples,as its the same person driving the same truck for 2 different companies.You cant compare two companies with 2 different drivers and different size trucks,but we should all learn from the comparison here,but just 1 month won't tell the story.Tell me next year how you did compared to last year
Even that kind of comparison would be cloudy because conditions change within carriers, between competing carriers, and in the economy. If a team and truck has an OK year with one carrier and moves to another, and then has a slow year because the economy slowed down, or because it took the team a while to adapt to the new carrier, it would be unwise to conclude that the old carrier is better than the new.
This year, Diane and I are in the same truck and with the same carrier we were last year, but we will not do as well this year. It is not because of the carrier but because of personal things we did this year that we did not do last (driving contest, canoe trip, multiple trips home, etc.). It may be that competition has reduced rates and run count. It may be that the economy is having an adverse impact on our income. But there is no way to know for sure given how our actions differed one year to the next.
Keeping the focus on Bruno's top three team loads provides the limited piece I seek.
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nightcreacher
Veteran Expediter
I agree some what,but in my case,this year is doing better than last year,and i'm not talking 'cause the fsc is higher.When I take out the fsc for this year and last,my actual revenues are better this year,even though the economy is slow.My run count is up,'cause I'm doing shorter runs that pay more per mile.
Yes the D-times was wrong our one driver was reading it to me wrong. But I fixed the 1st post. I really can't give you the full numbers yet Phil because I haven't been on that long to give a whole months numbers. JamminJim, and Davekc and some of the others can give you the numbers better than me. I will say it's a total different system and what you may think is bad place to sit at FedEx may be a GREAT place at Panther. Remember Phil we have more trucks to compare it to. We was going to leave both C unit's and the ER unit on with FedEx now we are just leaving the ER unit I manage on with FedEx. The one C unit at FedEX is now a D unit at Panther because it has a 22 ft box and can hold a payload of 12,500lb. FedEx dropped it to a C unit because it wouldn't hold 13,000lbs because of the lift gate.
Phil I honestly thing you and your wife would do better at Panther because of the size of your box. You would get a base of $1.65 a mile plus 100% of the FSC ( which has been an avg over .50 a mile ) and .50 a mile for deadhead after 100 miles unless your on a elite load you get paid for every deadhead mile from what Erwin was telling us in Elite class. With the unit you have I feel Panther would give you more loads because they will not limit your loads to just 5000 lbs of freight. Something to think about Phil, you don't know how many times you have missed nice loads because the customer called in with a load that was over 5000 lbs and your truck could do the load but because of the 5000 lbs rule at FedEx you didn't get the load. That don't happen at Panther. If you can haul the load your going to get the load offer. I tried to get FedEx to change some things in regards to super C units and super D units but it fell on deaf ears. How many D units at FedEx can haul more that 13,000 lbs? I bet alot, I know the two d units I manage can haul over 20,000 lbs because they are plated for 46,000 lbs. Those two trucks are now on with Panther and we are moving all four of our trucks over to Panther. Out of the 7 trucks I manage only the ER unit it staying on with FedEx at the present time. I just wish we would have made the move sooner.
Phil I honestly thing you and your wife would do better at Panther because of the size of your box. You would get a base of $1.65 a mile plus 100% of the FSC ( which has been an avg over .50 a mile ) and .50 a mile for deadhead after 100 miles unless your on a elite load you get paid for every deadhead mile from what Erwin was telling us in Elite class. With the unit you have I feel Panther would give you more loads because they will not limit your loads to just 5000 lbs of freight. Something to think about Phil, you don't know how many times you have missed nice loads because the customer called in with a load that was over 5000 lbs and your truck could do the load but because of the 5000 lbs rule at FedEx you didn't get the load. That don't happen at Panther. If you can haul the load your going to get the load offer. I tried to get FedEx to change some things in regards to super C units and super D units but it fell on deaf ears. How many D units at FedEx can haul more that 13,000 lbs? I bet alot, I know the two d units I manage can haul over 20,000 lbs because they are plated for 46,000 lbs. Those two trucks are now on with Panther and we are moving all four of our trucks over to Panther. Out of the 7 trucks I manage only the ER unit it staying on with FedEx at the present time. I just wish we would have made the move sooner.
I think you have the "D" time wrong. And what about me I said everything was and still is peaches and cream at the two headed beast a year ago.
Yes, Jim was another one that I talked to and said he loved it at Panther.
juliewray60
Not a Member
You aint kidding.
Sounds like one of the Kids
opening up Christmas presents.
OH YEAH !!! it's all great and its
the best. Two weeks later, and the
toy's sitten in the corner collecting
nuttin but dust.
nightcreacher is oh so correct:
"Long term assestments certainly cant
be made with short term experience."
Juliewray If you don't have nothing nice to say don't post your crazy post's on EO. I was just posting my Christmas Presents then as you say. You must not be able to read, I said you need to ask Jaminjim or Davekc for more facts that it was to soon for me to post about that.
You may not have enough info for a month, but you do have enough to answer the question asked. The question was about the best three loads of the nine loads you mentioned. That information you have in hand right now.
All of this may be true, but the question is not that complicated. You spoke of nine loads. I am asking about the best three of those nine. What are the deadhead and loaded miles, what is the truck type, and what is the total pay? If you don't want to answer, just say so, and I will stop asking.
With all due respect, that is our decision to make. You can help us make it by providing the real-world numbers I request. Jaminjim did it. I did it. Would you be so kind as to do it too?
Actually I know precisely. We used to drive D-units for three years when we drove fleet-owner trucks. D-unit freight and shippers we know very well. With that knowledge and experience, we chose a C truck with which to meet our goals. With two years now in it, our run count has not suffered. Interestingly, our revenue rose. That is not due to box size but driver variables.
That's all well and good, Bruno, and I'm glad you are happy with your move. Now, may i trouble you again for the specifics you left out of your first post? Would you be so kind as to answer my question about your best three loads out of the nine you referenced? Again, if you do not want to answer, just say so and I will drop it.
For newbie readers, let me be clear. I am in no way discouraging people from considering Panther. Obviously, a bunch of good people are happy and successful there. This is not about which carrier is best. There is no such thing as a best carrier. There is only the carrier that is best for you.
My reasons for my question to Bruno are explained above. The inquiry is sincere and I am hoping real owner-operators will share information that I can compare with information from other sources that are more removed from the road.
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juliewray60
Not a Member
Crazy ...... you say ?????
I'd say it's crazy that someone with only one months activity even dare suggest that someone as successful as Phil jump ship to Panther.......now that's crazy.
And yes....I can read & compose in the English Language.
Phil
The longest long was 1283 miles.
The truck had 3254 loaded miles, but only had 310 miles of deadhead. This is our Dry box D unit with no lift gate. They did gross $4715.40 before the FSC was add in. The FSC is around .48 per loaded mile.
Total miles 3564
Total money to the truck $6277.32
Total money for all miles $1.9302952
This was for taking every load that was offered to the truck. Phil this is a Dry Box truck with no lift gate. I can do one of the DR units if you would like because their rate is much higher per mile.
The longest long was 1283 miles.
The truck had 3254 loaded miles, but only had 310 miles of deadhead. This is our Dry box D unit with no lift gate. They did gross $4715.40 before the FSC was add in. The FSC is around .48 per loaded mile.
Total miles 3564
Total money to the truck $6277.32
Total money for all miles $1.9302952
This was for taking every load that was offered to the truck. Phil this is a Dry Box truck with no lift gate. I can do one of the DR units if you would like because their rate is much higher per mile.
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I have almost 15 years in this business and 21 years of driving, I'm not just an Owner I also DRIVE, I have over 2 million miles on the road. That's why I can say that. I didn't just jump ship. This was a year long thing, It was very hard for me to leave FedEx Custom Critical.
What makes Phil so successful? No knock to Phil. Phil has one truck that his wife drivers with him. Any one husband and wife team can do the same. Phil just share's his things on EO to help people in the business and thank you Phil for doing that. I can think of many Husband and Wife teams that have done the same or even better.
Linda and Bob Caffee come to mind on that note.
We have 7 trucks does that make us any better than someone else? Nope, we all put our pants on the same. One leg at a time.
Bruno is not the 1st name I posted under on EO. I aslo posted under the name DavidWMayfield.
Phil I hope you got what you was looking for?
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Linda and Dave this is not a pi$$ing contest. This is just info of what Panther has been like for us and our drivers so far. If there is something I don't like about Panther I will be the 1st one to open my mouth. I speak my mind just go back and read some of my post's about the FedEx FSC program. That is part of the reason I quit posting on here for over a year. I was kinda told nicely to stop, if you get what I'm saying.
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Hey Bruno,
I would have responded quicker but I was in the bathroom........
anyway, my request was for you to back up your boasts about your good fortune.
Hey I didnt bring up your topics , you did, but you said it with inuendo, smoke and mirrors
can get by some, but not most here on EO.
Rare is it that I just state something. I try to have facts, you know, good info for others to
evaluate ( not just my ever so humble opinion) as to whether or not what I am experiencing is good or would be good for them.
If i tell you i just ate at the best diner in town and you should too. You might need more info, like where is this place and whats its name.
But if i foregot to mention that it was vegetarian or in S Philly and ya better go armed, some may think its a perfect place to take the family for a corn beef sandwich.
Bore us with the facts jack....er Bruno.
PS. your fly is open.
Be Informed.
I would have responded quicker but I was in the bathroom........
anyway, my request was for you to back up your boasts about your good fortune.
Hey I didnt bring up your topics , you did, but you said it with inuendo, smoke and mirrors
can get by some, but not most here on EO.
Rare is it that I just state something. I try to have facts, you know, good info for others to
evaluate ( not just my ever so humble opinion) as to whether or not what I am experiencing is good or would be good for them.
If i tell you i just ate at the best diner in town and you should too. You might need more info, like where is this place and whats its name.
But if i foregot to mention that it was vegetarian or in S Philly and ya better go armed, some may think its a perfect place to take the family for a corn beef sandwich.
Bore us with the facts jack....er Bruno.
PS. your fly is open.
Be Informed.
Hey Bruno,
I would have responded quicker but I was in the bathroom........
anyway, my request was for you to back up your boasts about your good fortune.[OUOTE]
1. It wasn't boasting I was just telling the FACTS on how Panther was so far for us. I'm sorry you don't like Panther and you love FedEX Custom Critical so much. I have seen you bad mouth Panther every time no matter who is posting about Panther. You think FedEx is the best, I'm glad for you.
Hey I didnt bring up your topics , you did, but you said it with inuendo, smoke and mirrors
can get by some, but not most here on EO.
2. Talk about smoke and mirrors. FedEx has a FSC program that they are making money off of and they know it. Why do you think you can't run a rate quote anymore without being a customer. Because they don't want you to see what they are charging the customer for the FSC. Your only getting about 40% of the FSC they charge the customer and is fact. At Panther you have a choice what program you want. How can a company take money from the FSC when they don't pay the fuel.
Rare is it that I just state something. I try to have facts, you know, good info for others to
evaluate ( not just my ever so humble opinion) as to whether or not what I am experiencing is good or would be good for them.
3. I'm telling what I'm Experiencing so far at Panther. Sorry you Don't like it but you don't have to read it either if you don't like it.
If i tell you i just ate at the best diner in town and you should too. You might need more info, like where is this place and whats its name.
But if i foregot to mention that it was vegetarian or in S Philly and ya better go armed, some may think its a perfect place to take the family for a corn beef sandwich.
Bore us with the facts jack....er Bruno.
4. Talk about BS You might want to go back to the bathroom again so you can let some more of it out.
PS. your fly is open.
5. Yep it may be open, but you need to remove the brown on your nose. Because FedEx don't care about you to them your just a number.
Be Informed.
6. I'm very well informed see you at Panther soon. Unless you want to haul .93 a mile freight for FedEx Freight.
I would have responded quicker but I was in the bathroom........
anyway, my request was for you to back up your boasts about your good fortune.[OUOTE]
1. It wasn't boasting I was just telling the FACTS on how Panther was so far for us. I'm sorry you don't like Panther and you love FedEX Custom Critical so much. I have seen you bad mouth Panther every time no matter who is posting about Panther. You think FedEx is the best, I'm glad for you.
Hey I didnt bring up your topics , you did, but you said it with inuendo, smoke and mirrors
can get by some, but not most here on EO.
2. Talk about smoke and mirrors. FedEx has a FSC program that they are making money off of and they know it. Why do you think you can't run a rate quote anymore without being a customer. Because they don't want you to see what they are charging the customer for the FSC. Your only getting about 40% of the FSC they charge the customer and is fact. At Panther you have a choice what program you want. How can a company take money from the FSC when they don't pay the fuel.
Rare is it that I just state something. I try to have facts, you know, good info for others to
evaluate ( not just my ever so humble opinion) as to whether or not what I am experiencing is good or would be good for them.
3. I'm telling what I'm Experiencing so far at Panther. Sorry you Don't like it but you don't have to read it either if you don't like it.
If i tell you i just ate at the best diner in town and you should too. You might need more info, like where is this place and whats its name.
But if i foregot to mention that it was vegetarian or in S Philly and ya better go armed, some may think its a perfect place to take the family for a corn beef sandwich.
Bore us with the facts jack....er Bruno.
4. Talk about BS You might want to go back to the bathroom again so you can let some more of it out.
PS. your fly is open.
5. Yep it may be open, but you need to remove the brown on your nose. Because FedEx don't care about you to them your just a number.
Be Informed.
6. I'm very well informed see you at Panther soon. Unless you want to haul .93 a mile freight for FedEx Freight.
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Oh Bruno,
Someone dares to ask him for facts.
again you are blowing smoke.
Dont start on me or Fedex, this your post, and my questions are on target.
Find one response here on EO where I bashed Panther.
You wont. Never will. I only question those who ummmmmmm are questionable
Oh by the way, please notice every word I have used is spelled with an actual letter.
None of my comment fall under crude or lewd, can you say the same dude.
having a big mouth ( your words ) is neither being informed or intelligent.......
Good luck.
Someone dares to ask him for facts.
again you are blowing smoke.
Dont start on me or Fedex, this your post, and my questions are on target.
Find one response here on EO where I bashed Panther.
You wont. Never will. I only question those who ummmmmmm are questionable
Oh by the way, please notice every word I have used is spelled with an actual letter.
None of my comment fall under crude or lewd, can you say the same dude.
having a big mouth ( your words ) is neither being informed or intelligent.......
Good luck.
With contrite heart I bow out of this blog, as I am sure, I am insulting someone with
my attack on bruno.
my apologies to EOland.
my attack on bruno.
my apologies to EOland.