Folks...
....we are sliding on personal territory.....
Topic was welfare benefits....
....we are sliding on personal territory.....Topic was welfare benefits....
Welfare Recipients Driving $15,000 cars
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Well, many who have taken a 100% pay cut would love to be in his shoes.
Speaking of Ford, there's speculation that if the UAW tried to pull a strike, the workers there would side with the company. That would be the ultimate stick in the eye of the UAW. If that happens, I'll be the first in line for a new F150. Nah, nevermind, They'll have to relocate to a RTW state first before they earn one red cent from me. Arizona would be an ideal place for them to relocate.
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Camper
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Folks...
Topic was welfare benefits....
One can argue that UAW/GM related benefits are welfare benefits.
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I remember back in my youth in Ontario...you could own a car as a means of transportation but there was a value limit...you couldn't have a $15,000 car....you'd be forced to sell it and any money made your check would be reduced...
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$15,000, when you think about it is very liberal. In fact, there are plenty of reliable cars under $1,000. You just have to know what to look for. The general rule of thumb is to stick with japanese 4cylinder models and you will almost never go wrong.
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Agreed....all family functions that are frills should be cancelled....first priority JOB, food for the family and roof over the head...nothing more....bare bones minimum...
LisaLouHoo
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I never held a union job in my life. Forgive me for studying hard, being an honor student, going to college, securing the best non-union jobs out here, marrying well, saving smart, paying off a 15 year mortgage in 7 years, retiring at 42, learning how to enjoy life again after the death of my husband of 24 years. I haven't lived in the real world? I worked and lived very hard to get to where I am today.
If you recall,GW Bush mandated companies had to insure pensions after the Enron debacle. The GM pensions were not (how many times do I have to say this?) involved in the bailout. Perhaps look to the people who do not patronize American auto manufacturers.
Just admit you're out of turn when it comes to the UAW pension debate. You trying to prove me wrong when I am not is tantamount to you saying "I know you are but what am I?"
Show me proof you draw a domestic auto worker pension. Then you will have some credence in this discussion.
"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008
Camper
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And what does this have to do with the topic at hand? Also, if you live in Michigan where houses cost less than cars(still over priced), paying a house off in 7 years is no accomplishment. I'm also guessing you don't have kids or any actual responsibilities. Try living in a more competive area, having kids and then we'll talk about paying a house off being an accomplishment. As for the rest of your life story, a). that's further proof of how anyone can go to college(again, no accomplishment) and b). nobody cares. Stick to the topic.
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paullud
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It's great that you worked hard and were able to benefit from the fruits of your labor. You should try and get into politics and straighten out your state, get the welfare system in better shape and lower taxes. Michigan is a beautiful state but it has been mismanaged and has been run into the ground by welfare programs and handouts. I would like to move to MI because it has a lot of potential to become great.
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Michigan will never be what it should until it loses at least half it's current population and becomes more like Minnesota(bigger with half the people). The last thing it needs is transplants from New York or anywhere for that matter.
paullud
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I would say one of the best things for MI would be for people to realize it's potential and move there to start over running the government and starting businesses.
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Actually, the best thing MI has going for it is it's the only state to have lost population.
Open space and wild life should be all that's there. The last thing they need are know it all Gen-yers coming in.
I'd say New England would be a much better fit for those types of people, or better yet, right where you are in New York.
So, back to topic: Welfare queens driving $15,000 cars
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paullud
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The best place for those types is Massachusetts or California, that way they can even have their pick of weather. MI needs people of a different political spectrum to move in and change it's ways. They need people to come in that are willing to invest time, labor, and capital into creating a great place to do business. I really don't know of any know it all Generation Y people, they are usually into technology, green ideals, and fame. They are actually very far from being the know it all type. The know it all type is from previous generations and a lot of conservatives and liberals of today that feel the need to jam their views down everyones throat because after all they know best.
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California has more than enough people
The only business MI should have is tourism. Again, I think Minnesota is a good model for what MI should be. It has far fewer people, more open space and less government fat. Actually, Wisconsin is another potential role model for what MI should become, especially given the new anti-union/anti growth administration they elected.
Well, you must not know too many of them then. Most of the ones I know are very much entitlement minded. The only ones I know of who aren't like that are foreign born ones. In fact, I would argue that first generation immigrants, in general have the best work ethic. They're far less to complain about wages and far more likely to appreciate having a job in the first place.
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paullud
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Given that my age puts me at the tail end of Generation X, I went to school with plenty of Generation Y people and rarely saw a know it all mentality. The know it all mentality usually shows up in people that think they have experienced all life has to offer and therefore need to educate everyone else. The other thing you mentioned about being entitlement minded really has to do more with the politics of the environment the person grows up in. In a state like MI a lot have seen welfare as a way of life so they continue that cycle.
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Actually, if you're 31 like you said you are in a previous post, you're technically a member of Generation Y which spans from 1979 through, I believe 1999. Those born in 2000 or later are part of what's called the millennial generation.
No, actually, the most unassuming generation, IMO happens to be the WWII generation- Those who lived through the Great Depression and the 2nd World War. IMO, this pervasive entitlement mentality started with the Baby Boom Generation and has gotten worse with each generation thereafter.
This isn't a problem unique to Michigan or any state in particular. This is very much a nationwide problem.
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