Welfare Recipients Driving $15,000 cars

[Camper]

It's rather rich how people on welfare can complain that they're not allowed to own $15,000 cars when most working folks who pay their benefits drive around in old clunkers that are worth far less than what these welfare queens drive.

How many of you drive a car(your personal vehicle) that's worth over $15,000? I, myself drive an '84 Toyota Pickup with almost 800,000 miles on it. It runs as well as any new vehicle(better than anything built by the UAW).

As people face cash aid cuts, Michigan set to quiz food stamp users about what cars they own | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

 

[tbubster]

I also drive an old truck.Runs great however I do PM on it all the time.When at home I volunteer at a food pantry.It really is funny to see some of the people that come in to get help.Driving cars that cost more then what some of the other people make in a year.Some of the cars we see people driving are one or two years old.They can affored to keep paying that car note and full coverage insurance every month but they can not afford to put food on the table.

Prioritys and responsibilitys some people know and understand what they are some dont.Its like this.A person gets rid of the new car they get rid of that payment.They get an older car spend maybe half of what they did a month on Pm for the older care that they spent on payment for new car they save money and lessen the burden they put on everyone else.

 

[leezaback]

We drive a 1989 S-10-looks-run great.
makes you wonder what the working class is doing wrong !

 

[skyraider]

I also drive an old truck.Runs great however I do PM on it all the time.When at home I volunteer at a food pantry.It really is funny to see some of the people that come in to get help.Driving cars that cost more then what some of the other people make in a year.Some of the cars we see people driving are one or two years old.They can afforded to keep paying that car note and full coverage insurance every month but they can not afford to put food on the table.

Priority's and responsibility's some people know and understand what they are some dont.Its like this.A person gets rid of the new car they get rid of that payment.They get an older car spend maybe half of what they did a month on Pm for the older care that they spent on payment for new car they save money and lessen the burden they put on everyone else.

Sounds like some of the above drivers would make good expeditor's, van notes,high insurance, and we are eating the 2 hot dogs specials at the J, I cant really see any difference. Yep, sounds like us for sure. Ps , u do know that some expeditor's walk into motels for the small Continental breakfast bar dont u? If I'm Lying, I'm dying>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[clcooper]

Prioritys and responsibilitys . what are your Prioritys and responsibilitys . the same as anybody else .

to feed and house your family any way you can .

GREED and Inresponsibility .

 

[clcooper]

Ps , u do know that some expeditor's walk into motels for the small Continental breakfast bar dont u? If I'm Lying, I'm dying>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

but that is ok for them to do that . it isnt taxpayers money

 

[greg334]

We'll see a lot of push back from this, a lot of UAW members get their food through the food stamp program.

 

[skyraider]

but that is ok for them to do that . it isnt taxpayers money

hmmm, I would venture to say the existing guest pay for it .

 

[Camper]

We'll see a lot of push back from this, a lot of UAW members get their food through the food stamp program.

Yeah, they're getting food stamps in one hand while holding that $5,000 signing bonus each of them just got in the other.

This alone is reason enough for a nationwide boycott of all UAW made products.



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[tbubster]

Sounds like some of the above drivers would make good expeditor's, van notes,high insurance, and we are eating the 2 hot dogs specials at the J, I cant really see any difference. Yep, sounds like us for sure. Ps , u do know that some expeditor's walk into motels for the small Continental breakfast bar dont u? If I'm Lying, I'm dying>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

you are right.However many of us expeditors dont have our hand out.We take on the life we have and the sacrifices of the things we miss from not being at home all the time so we dont have to depend on others to take care of ourselfs and our loved ones.As far as free breakfest goes if you did not stay pay to stay the night then it is stealing plain and simple

Prioritys and responsibilitys . what are your Prioritys and responsibilitys . the same as anybody else .

to feed and house your family any way you can .

GREED and Inresponsibility .

How about getting rid of a car you can not afford to pay for?Using money you dont have to pay for something you can not afford and then expecting someone else to provide you with food is GREED and Inresponsibility.Keeping up with the joneses is what many are trying to do.

but that is ok for them to do that . it isnt taxpayers money

If you did not pay for something that is not free then it is stealing.It is never ok to steal no matter whos money it is.

We'll see a lot of push back from this, a lot of UAW members get their food through the food stamp program.

Page 2: GM, UAW Agree on New 4-Year Contract - ABC News

Most GM workers make around $56 per hour in wages and benefits, less than at Ford but far higher than at other companies like Chrysler and Hyundai Motor Co

Wage packages like these are the reason we need this kind of scrutiny.

 

[Ragman]

. . .
makes you wonder what the working class is doing wrong !

Working.

 

[LisaLouHoo]

We'll see a lot of push back from this, a lot of UAW members get their food through the food stamp program.

THEY DO?!?

My grandfather, father, late husband, several in-laws, cousins, and friends worked or still do work for GM, and belong to the UAW. None of them did or do get food through the foodstamp program.

They must be missing something they didn't know about.

"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008

 

[greg334]

Well tonight both the UAW and GM have said the average US Autoworker who works at GM makes an average of $116k a year with benefits and salary. This excludes the bonus, the profit sharing and other things, like OT which can raise it up to $145k a year.

Pretty good for putting a nut and a bolt.

 

[LisaLouHoo]

It's rather rich how people on welfare can complain that they're not allowed to own $15,000 cars when most working folks who pay their benefits drive around in old clunkers that are worth far less than what these welfare queens drive.

How many of you drive a car(your personal vehicle) that's worth over $15,000? I, myself drive an '84 Toyota Pickup with almost 800,000 miles on it. It runs as well as any new vehicle(better than anything built by the UAW).

I'm not on welfare obviously and I drive a 2010 Avalanche Z-71 4x4. He just turned 12,000 miles last week, bless his heart. IDK his current KBB value, but his list price when I bought him was $51,000.

I do know all too well the welfare fraud that has gone on here. A mother of one of my friends pulled this number: attended college on our dime. Chose a major not offered by any Flint colleges, but rather exclusive to colleges more than 25 miles away so the state would furnish her a car. Of course, she took the minimum credits required to string it out. When she got close to completing her course of study, *presto!*...she would change majors. She did this for 14 years until the system underwent its first overhaul.

Also, standing in line at the grocery store, in my jeans and t, with my hamburger, pork chops, potatoes and bread; the person in front of me dressed to the nines buying steak, whole fresh pineapple, scallions, salmon...then THEY whip out their state food card.

But you know what I and the rest of us have? Our pride. That truly is worth something.

And we have our vehicles. That we bought and maintain ourselves.


"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008

 

[LisaLouHoo]

Well tonight both the UAW and GM have said the average US Autoworker who works at GM makes an average of $116k a year with benefits and salary. This excludes the bonus, the profit sharing and other things, like OT which can raise it up to $145k a year.

Pretty good for putting a nut and a bolt.

Sounds like easy work, huh? My grandfather was killed on the assembly line. Many people suffer repetitive motion injuries just putting in "nuts and bolts" for 30+ years. Standing on one's feet 8 hours, not moving from their workstation. Performing the same task over and over, 63-78 times an hour depending on line speed. Their jobs are constantly threatened. There is a lot of stress in that line of work. It is also mimd numbing. Sure, they make really good money and have great benefits. In order to entice people to work for them, the auto companies have to sweeten the deal.

It's not gravy work. Anyone who has ever worked or grown up surrounded by auto assembly would know that. However, the pay and benefits make it worth sticking with and still make it a desirable choice for employment.

The average cash gross my late husband made was $55,000 a year. Plus he had heel spurs, arthritic knees, hips, and lower back due to standing on 8' thick cement floors 8 hours a day for 33 years, plus advanced carpal tunnel which was beyond surgical repair and left his right thumb numb 24/7.

All from just screwing in some nuts and bolts...

"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008

 

[cheri1122]

We'll see a lot of push back from this, a lot of UAW members get their food through the food stamp program.

Can you cite any source for that, other than anecdotal? Cause I aint believing it.....

 

[Camper]

Sounds like easy work, huh? My grandfather was killed on the assembly line. Many people suffer repetitive motion injuries just putting in "nuts and bolts" for 30+ years. Standing on one's feet 8 hours, not moving from their workstation. Performing the same task over and over, 63-78 times an hour depending on line speed. Their jobs are constantly threatened. There is a lot of stress in that line of work. It is also mimd numbing. Sure, they make really good money and have great benefits. In order to entice people to work for them, the auto companies have to sweeten the deal.

It's not gravy work. Anyone who has ever worked or grown up surrounded by auto assembly would know that. However, the pay and benefits make it worth sticking with and still make it a desirable choice for employment.

The average cash gross my late husband made was $55,000 a year. Plus he had heel spurs, arthritic knees, hips, and lower back due to standing on 8' thick cement floors 8 hours a day for 33 years, plus advanced carpal tunnel which was beyond surgical repair and left his right thumb numb 24/7.

All from just screwing in some nuts and bolts...

"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008

Even $55k is way too generous for this type of unskilled labor. Until the big three grow a pair and move every shred of their opporations to a right to work state, including their headquarters, I will continue to encourage the boycott of any and all Big 3 products.

Another thing you conveniently left out is the benefits which when added to that $55k salary bring the total compensation to something north of $100k. That would be where Greg is getting his figure of $116k.

As far as your sob story about the injuries you claim these workers endure- well guess what, most, if not all occupations involve risk of injury. Truckers, fisherman and corrections officers face far more risks yet get compensated far less than UAW workers.



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[LisaLouHoo]

Even $55k is way too generous for this type of unskilled labor. Until the big three grow a pair and move every shred of their opporations to a right to work state, including their headquarters, I will continue to encourage the boycott of any and all Big 3 products.

Another thing you conveniently left out is the benefits which when added to that $55k salary bring the total compensation to something north of $100k. That would be where Greg is getting his figure of $116k.

As far as your sob story about the injuries you claim these workers endure- well guess what, most, if not all occupations involve risk of injury. Truckers, fisherman and corrections officers face far more risks yet get compensated far less than UAW workers.



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No, I didn't "conveniently" leave out the benefits compensation. People hear the entire package but they never hear what the cash compensation is. Now they know.

Did I make as much as UAW/GM workers with my college degree? No. Did I whine about it? No. That's just the way it is around here. I always knew I wouldn't.

The fact that I married GM was also a way of life around here. Until the mid-80's one couldn't swing a jealous non-GMer by their feet without hitting someone who worked for GM. Odds were high I was going to marry GM.

Believe me, I have spent all of my days listening to the envious whining of those who never worked for the Big 3. All the complaining in the world from "outsiders" isn't going to change what the Big 3 and the UAW do. So forget about it, worry about your own self, and put your big girl panties on and deal with it.

"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008

 

[Camper]

No, I didn't "conveniently" leave out the benefits compensation. People hear the entire package but they never hear what the cash compensation is. Now they know.


"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008

No, you're either wrong or you're in denial by omission. That $55k figure you threw out there is the low end of what most UAW workers make, just in cash compensation. Again, that's the low end. Throw in all the benefits, and as Greg said, the figure is well into six figure territory.




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[LisaLouHoo]

No, you're either wrong or you're in denial by omission. That $55k figure you threw out there is the low end of what most UAW workers make, just in cash compensation. Again, that's the low end. Throw in all the benefits, and as Greg said, the figure is well into six figure territory.

You miss the point again. I am talking merely cash that is spendable.

Yes, with all the benefits the total compensation is over $100k. But one can't pay a mortgage or buy a car or groceries with their Blue Cross or Legal Services benefits.

To state they "make" over $100k is true but misleading. The ACTUAL MONEY is less.

Wrong? Hardly. I have lived the GM life since birth. I have been around it all my life. In denial? No. Just setting the record straight for those who don't understand the breakdown.

Seriously, who here who has no Big Three experience wouldn't jump at the chance to get in on a job like that?

Then their complaining about compensation packages would stop.

But enough with hijacking the thread...which started when Gregg accused UAW members of using food stamps...???????

Back to the much overdue Michigan Welfare Reform, anyone?

"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008