Where does it state that? That is not what DOT officials have told us or anytime I have heard them answer that question on the radio. That would be giving the DOT authority to override the Bill of Rights.
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Where does it state that? That is not what DOT officials have told us or anytime I have heard them answer that question on the radio. That would be giving the DOT authority to override the Bill of Rights.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
There is no DOT reg forbidding firearms in a cmv,,, the issue that you run into is the law pertaining to each STATES law about how a firearm can be transported in a MOTOR Vehicle...
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Guys use to swing by the office and drop off their pieces all the time at the office before going into Canada on a load. I see nothing wrong with drivers having protection, many have been saved many times buy flashing their guns and chasing off a wood be mugger in a rough part of town or a dirty truck stop.
Sorry 60mph and easytrader...I look to be wrong..
Federal Motor Carrier Regulations contain no provisions for restricting properly licensed, and legally carrying permit holders.
All Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
Likewise the extra requirements for transportation of HAZMAT materials, have no restrictions with regard to firearms.
How to Comply with Federal HM Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
You should make yourself keenly aware of the laws of the states (and in at least a few cases, cities, which have their own ordinances that predate some state preemption law) in which you move about such as legal methods of carry, concealed permit reciprocity agreements. Jurisdictions that do not recognize your permit, or right to carry, must still follow the Federal Peaceable Journey requirements.
Further, about Ports.. Now your very possibly into the T.S.A. regulations as well, and should be aware of them. I believe a Port qualifies as a sensitive area, much like Airports.
In most cases the only reason a CDL holder cannot carry a firearm, is because the employer says they cannot.
Federal Motor Carrier Regulations contain no provisions for restricting properly licensed, and legally carrying permit holders.
All Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
Likewise the extra requirements for transportation of HAZMAT materials, have no restrictions with regard to firearms.
How to Comply with Federal HM Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
You should make yourself keenly aware of the laws of the states (and in at least a few cases, cities, which have their own ordinances that predate some state preemption law) in which you move about such as legal methods of carry, concealed permit reciprocity agreements. Jurisdictions that do not recognize your permit, or right to carry, must still follow the Federal Peaceable Journey requirements.
Further, about Ports.. Now your very possibly into the T.S.A. regulations as well, and should be aware of them. I believe a Port qualifies as a sensitive area, much like Airports.
In most cases the only reason a CDL holder cannot carry a firearm, is because the employer says they cannot.
Title 18 Section 926(a). The Peacable Journey law.
TITLE 18–CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I–CRIMES
CHAPTER 44–FIREARMS
Sec. 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or
regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person
who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting,
shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a
firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully
possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully
possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the
firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being
transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the
passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in
the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s
compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked
container other than the glove compartment or console.
OK…now that we have the Federal Law on this matter, what does it mean? I would say that you could give this to 50 attorneys, and all 50 would interpret it differently! I believe what it is saying, is a CDL driver may carry a gun in the truck with him or her, PROVIDING that it does not violate any other STATE law, in which the driver will be passing through. Thus my point again…city, county and state laws may be the prevention for CDL truck drivers to carry guns…
Yep you have a right to bare arms...BUT NOT loaded...constitution does not say you have a specific right to a loaded firearm...
Another piece of advise is to get personal liability insurance if you are going to carry a gun and make sure it covers you if you use one. One act of self defense in an area were guns are not tolerated may cause you financial difficulty for the rest of your life. That is probably one of the biggest fears that every cop has, not that he did his job and had to shoot someone, but what happens to him in civil court where some gun hating jury wants to make an example and takes pity on the perpretrator who got shot and now cannot support himself or his family and wants you to support them.
TITLE 18–CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I–CRIMES
CHAPTER 44–FIREARMS
Sec. 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or
regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person
who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting,
shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a
firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully
possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully
possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the
firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being
transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the
passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in
the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s
compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked
container other than the glove compartment or console.
OK…now that we have the Federal Law on this matter, what does it mean? I would say that you could give this to 50 attorneys, and all 50 would interpret it differently! I believe what it is saying, is a CDL driver may carry a gun in the truck with him or her, PROVIDING that it does not violate any other STATE law, in which the driver will be passing through. Thus my point again…city, county and state laws may be the prevention for CDL truck drivers to carry guns…
Yep you have a right to bare arms...BUT NOT loaded...constitution does not say you have a specific right to a loaded firearm...
Another piece of advise is to get personal liability insurance if you are going to carry a gun and make sure it covers you if you use one. One act of self defense in an area were guns are not tolerated may cause you financial difficulty for the rest of your life. That is probably one of the biggest fears that every cop has, not that he did his job and had to shoot someone, but what happens to him in civil court where some gun hating jury wants to make an example and takes pity on the perpretrator who got shot and now cannot support himself or his family and wants you to support them.
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EASYTRADER
Expert Expediter
I don't need a lawyer to 'Interpret' a law. I can read with the best of them.
That Federal Law is clearly Un-Constitutional, as it is an infringement on 'Bearing' arms.
Incidently ALL laws restricting the transfer, possession, or bearing of
arms are un-constitutional.
You may choose to allow your government to disarm you, but once you are disarmed you are at their mercy.
In the real world only, supperior fire power, will
protect your freedoms. You should read your own counties history. look-up Tea-Pot Dome, US Calvary Charge on the bonus marchers, Kent State Massacre, Ruby Ridge Massacre, Waco Texas Massacre. There are plenty more, but I'm to depressed to list them.
During Huricane Katrina the National Guard was ordered to seize firearms, luckily for the population most of the units refused to follow that order on the grounds it was unconstitutional.
Several New Orleans Police officers, were caught on video looting. Five New Orleans police were recently charged with murder, because they killed somebody and troed to dispose of the body buy locking it in a trunk of a car and setting the car on fire.
Our government is incompetent, and already out of control. We have maybe 2 election cycles to fix it before US Treasuries go NO BID.
Why do you guys think Gold is ralling? China and russia are buying it and dumping dollars. When they have coverted enough dollars to hard assets, treasuries will go NO BID. Just like what happened in Iceland, and Greece.
The calculator doesn't lie.
We have already allowed the Federal Government to run up DEbts 300% of national production. This is going to end badly.
The whole of the bill of rights hangs on the citizens abilty, to protect those rights from government.
I find it a sad state of affairs when something this elementary needs to be explained.
I weep for the future, of this country. It will probly be in my lifetime, when people leave the united states for russia or china seeking freedom.
Btw, last year 718 Americans officially disavowed their citizenship. That may seem like a small number, untill one considers that the average disavowals per anum is under 100.
The number one reason given was 'Economic Freedom'.
The trickle has already begun. First the wealthy will leave, then the adventurous, finally the starving.
That Federal Law is clearly Un-Constitutional, as it is an infringement on 'Bearing' arms.
Incidently ALL laws restricting the transfer, possession, or bearing of
arms are un-constitutional.
You may choose to allow your government to disarm you, but once you are disarmed you are at their mercy.
In the real world only, supperior fire power, will
protect your freedoms. You should read your own counties history. look-up Tea-Pot Dome, US Calvary Charge on the bonus marchers, Kent State Massacre, Ruby Ridge Massacre, Waco Texas Massacre. There are plenty more, but I'm to depressed to list them.
During Huricane Katrina the National Guard was ordered to seize firearms, luckily for the population most of the units refused to follow that order on the grounds it was unconstitutional.
Several New Orleans Police officers, were caught on video looting. Five New Orleans police were recently charged with murder, because they killed somebody and troed to dispose of the body buy locking it in a trunk of a car and setting the car on fire.
Our government is incompetent, and already out of control. We have maybe 2 election cycles to fix it before US Treasuries go NO BID.
Why do you guys think Gold is ralling? China and russia are buying it and dumping dollars. When they have coverted enough dollars to hard assets, treasuries will go NO BID. Just like what happened in Iceland, and Greece.
The calculator doesn't lie.
We have already allowed the Federal Government to run up DEbts 300% of national production. This is going to end badly.
The whole of the bill of rights hangs on the citizens abilty, to protect those rights from government.
I find it a sad state of affairs when something this elementary needs to be explained.
I weep for the future, of this country. It will probly be in my lifetime, when people leave the united states for russia or china seeking freedom.
Btw, last year 718 Americans officially disavowed their citizenship. That may seem like a small number, untill one considers that the average disavowals per anum is under 100.
The number one reason given was 'Economic Freedom'.
The trickle has already begun. First the wealthy will leave, then the adventurous, finally the starving.
EASYTRADER
Expert Expediter
Sorry for wandering off topic. I'm just distgusted seeing what has become of my country.
I don't want to leave my children, to fend for themselves in the smoking ruins of what was once a great nation.
I don't understand why nobody else seems to see the trainwreck that is coming.
I am led to believe that Sarah Palin is our last great hope. I like the lady don't get me wrong, but if anybody thinks she'll have the guts to balance the federal budget, and force a balanced budget ammendment along with serious tax reform after failing to run Alaska for one term . . . OMG
Were screwed, their isn't one serious contender in any party, just a bunch of goof-ballz who are varying degrees of useless.
I don't want to leave my children, to fend for themselves in the smoking ruins of what was once a great nation.
I don't understand why nobody else seems to see the trainwreck that is coming.
I am led to believe that Sarah Palin is our last great hope. I like the lady don't get me wrong, but if anybody thinks she'll have the guts to balance the federal budget, and force a balanced budget ammendment along with serious tax reform after failing to run Alaska for one term . . . OMG
Were screwed, their isn't one serious contender in any party, just a bunch of goof-ballz who are varying degrees of useless.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
It doesn't frickn' matter because this group, this profession has too many idiots and dumba**es in it. If we are allowed to carry, which we are not in some states, it would open the door for more BS and more problems down the road.
I have already seen a few fights over stupid sh*t, someone hits a truck when backing up, another gets p*ssed off at a guy on the CB and so on. The one I like is the guy polishing his wheels and diapering his paint when his neighbor dumps out a cup of coffee and this idiot goes ballistic because some coffee splashed on to his truck, beat the guy senseless. Can you imagine what would happen if there was a gun involved?
Like some of these guys with their "big rigs", they would also have the biggest firearm that they could get just to make a point that they are superior to the other idiots.
Most of us live on the road in aluminum cans, the last time I checked, aluminum doesn't stop bullets all that well and from experience with 22s, they tend to go through wood and plaster pretty good. So imagine two idiots fighting near your truck and one has a gun, which goes off and goes through your sleeper.
Some of these professionals already have a screw loose and spend way way too much time alone in the cab driving, so that alone is a reason not to make a BIG deal over this.
Protection?
What in the h*ll do you need protection for?
I can understand if you are in Memphis, or some of the nice places in Detroit.
If you are hauling Viagra, maybe or some Nuke material but ...
I have already seen a few fights over stupid sh*t, someone hits a truck when backing up, another gets p*ssed off at a guy on the CB and so on. The one I like is the guy polishing his wheels and diapering his paint when his neighbor dumps out a cup of coffee and this idiot goes ballistic because some coffee splashed on to his truck, beat the guy senseless. Can you imagine what would happen if there was a gun involved?
Like some of these guys with their "big rigs", they would also have the biggest firearm that they could get just to make a point that they are superior to the other idiots.
Most of us live on the road in aluminum cans, the last time I checked, aluminum doesn't stop bullets all that well and from experience with 22s, they tend to go through wood and plaster pretty good. So imagine two idiots fighting near your truck and one has a gun, which goes off and goes through your sleeper.
Some of these professionals already have a screw loose and spend way way too much time alone in the cab driving, so that alone is a reason not to make a BIG deal over this.
Protection?
What in the h*ll do you need protection for?
I can understand if you are in Memphis, or some of the nice places in Detroit.
If you are hauling Viagra, maybe or some Nuke material but ...
EASYTRADER
Expert Expediter
indently,
it would be unconstitutional for the dot to ban firearms , since the 2nd ammendment uses the word 'infringe', you guys may not like
it, but all arms control laws within the US Violate the 2nd ammemdment.
Anyway, the whole point of having a constitution, is to set in stone the rules of the road.
You may think, the government should have various gun laws. You may be right. The proper way to have these laws would be to ammend the constitution.
By allowing the government to decide which limits apply and which don't, you have basically nullified the whole point of the constitution.
it would be unconstitutional for the dot to ban firearms , since the 2nd ammendment uses the word 'infringe', you guys may not like
it, but all arms control laws within the US Violate the 2nd ammemdment.
Anyway, the whole point of having a constitution, is to set in stone the rules of the road.
You may think, the government should have various gun laws. You may be right. The proper way to have these laws would be to ammend the constitution.
By allowing the government to decide which limits apply and which don't, you have basically nullified the whole point of the constitution.
Easy there Easytrader...regardless of any law....most carriers forbid firearms as a condition of employment...period...
There is no need for more gun laws. We just need to enforce the law we have. Put criminals in jail and LEAVE them there. We need to quit excusing crime. It IS 100% a CHOICE to commit a crime.
As to loads that we carry needing protection, well, most everything we haul is a target for someone. Nothing is safe from the criminal. Many loads that expediters carry are PRIME targets for terrorists.
As to loads that we carry needing protection, well, most everything we haul is a target for someone. Nothing is safe from the criminal. Many loads that expediters carry are PRIME targets for terrorists.
Getting back to the incident that prompted this thread, Diane and I delivered a load to Ft. McGuire/Dix on Wednesday -- one week after the lockdown incident. It was as routine as any other delivery we have made to this location. There were the customary steps to go through but nothing different this time from the others.
I got one question why would anyone need a weapon in a Expedite truck in the first place.
Some of you people on here are realy somthing else.
Go sit on the poarch, for not Listening. and Knowing better.
your done.
When the tail gate drops the B S stops
I droped the tail gate I've herd enough.
Now this weekend since I got to be gone again Im going to enjoy the fireworks show sitting on the droped tail gate.
Have a Happy 4th of July.
Some of you people on here are realy somthing else.
Go sit on the poarch, for not Listening. and Knowing better.
your done.
When the tail gate drops the B S stops
I droped the tail gate I've herd enough.
Now this weekend since I got to be gone again Im going to enjoy the fireworks show sitting on the droped tail gate.
Have a Happy 4th of July.
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No for the above but its a weapon plain and simple and u just cant have it. OK
Get with the Program.
Shrillers a high pitched sound instrument that emits a sound loud enough to imobolize personel by transmitting sound waves over 250 decibles. don't get caught with it either.
BB GUNS - PELLET PISTOLS falls into the Weapon Catagory as with- Taisers - Peperspray - Mace -Tear gass - Flair Guns - Blow Guns - Cross Bows - Compound Bows or Regualr BOWs - not to mention your rifles - Pistols - shot guns - Black powder guns - rocket launchers & IED ect. & Knives over 2" that includes Stake Knives for you man and wife teams. Tire Buddies, Marline Spikes, Tire buddies / Tire Thumpers, Scraper Blades that use razor blades, throwing Stars -Daggers - Swords, Hyperdermic needles over 2" Just to name a few. All weapons. Also them camera Phones not allowed on many bases along with your Personnel Computers with cammeras or Recording devices ect ect. Also for your information those neet little Hatchets they sell in the J to chop Ice are considered a weapon. So keep that in mind all of ya. If they realy want to be harsh
if you got even Pry Bar that can be considered a weapon as well. Especialy if its in the cab of the Truck.
Now that being said inventory your stuff and get rid of it if you got it.
On the computers and the Cammera phones they may let you leave them with the gate guard.
Have a happy 4th of July
Why would any one need a weapon in the first place out here.
Just member somthing u got a fire Extinguisher ??
Have a happy 4th of July!!!!!!!!
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I think I'm down to my large can of 20ft shooting wasp spray now for my armed and dangerous moments.
Isn't it amazing how many truckers are afraid of wasps?
Streakn1
Veteran Expediter
So what you are saying is the day I show up at one of these locations and they deem my breaker bar as a potentially lethal weapon, I could be forced to surrender that at the gate? Afterall, I could put a real hurt'n on somebody with that if needed!
So I wonder how they would expect me to un-secure their freight so they can unload it inside? Maybe I'll just sit their and collect detention time until someone figures out I need my breaker bar to do my job (just like my prybar). LOL
I know, Just un-secure the freight at the gate and leave the bar with the guard. Then drive on in and watch the freight fall off along the way! NOT
I'm sure the day will come!
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They just assume these days that we are guilty until proven innocent. Unless your an illegal alien. They give them jobs.