We need a Major Conflict

layoutshooter

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There was a Nike site on Wise Road in Commerce Twp. not much more than a mile from where I grew up. I even once got to see the actual missles out of the ground. Routine exercise, or...?


Most likely routine, but can't say for sure!! I do know that during my career we opened the silo doors, for real, 6 times over my 20 years. Thank God we never had to launch. Those 6 days were very very scary.

We have a lot of army types from that Nike site in Riverview living on our street. The government leased a number of houses for family housing. The base did not have any. There were several FBI agents living in those houses as well. Wh\ithall those people we living there, along with the cop that lived next door, the crime rate on our block was NIL!!

There was a man across the street by the name of MSG Flame. He brought home a rope one day from the base. It was a large diameter manila rope, several hundred feet long. It was summer and hot, no one had AC in their houses at that time and on weekends people sat out on the porches till very late, kids playing everywhere. Well, the MSG brought out that rope on one of those nights. We had one of the worlds biggest "tug-o-wars" that night in the street. People came form all over the neighborhood, there were hundreds of people out on that rope that night. What fun!! It was a far different world back then. I miss that world.
 

OntarioVanMan

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within 5 years of the end of world war 2, immigation was around 50 million and about 20 million new jobs created..vaulted the U.S. from mediocracy to a super power...
 

RLENT

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... as dreadful as the idea seems....
OVM,

The only things I can manage after reading your thoughts here in this thread is the following:

1. Have you started raising that whacky tobacky up there as a cash crop, and have lately been partaking of some of the harvest ?

2. You may wish to consider getting your water tested for heavy metals and other pollutants ....

3. Inspect all the food in the pantry immediately for signs of mold or fungus, specifically ergot fungi .... and don't eat any more of it if you find any ....
 
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OntarioVanMan

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OVM,

The only things I can manage after reading your thoughts here in this thread is the following:

1. Have you started raising that whacky tobacky up there as a cash crop, and have lately been partaking of some of the harvest ?

2. You may wish to consider getting your water tested for heavy metals and other pollutants ....

3. Inspect all the food in the pantry immediately for signs of mold or fungus, specifically ergot fungi .... and don't eat any more of it if you find any ....

You think I am wrong?

Isn't the idea of FULL contact war dreadful?

Greg,,yeah..USA was a so so country before WW2....an also ran, a country without standing....
 

RLENT

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You think I am wrong?
Nope ..... I don't think it ....... :D

I do however certainly recognize that the views you are espousing (that war is needed .... for no other reason than economics) is a form of insanity that has been very popular and in vogue in certain circles for some time ... :rolleyes:
 

OntarioVanMan

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Nope ..... I don't think it ....... :D

I do however certainly recognize that the views you are espousing (that war is needed .... for no other reason than economics) is a form of insanity that has been very popular and in vogue in certain circles for some time ... :rolleyes:

Did I specificly say "no other reason"?

I mean money begets power, that begets control...

I mean look at the US..We've lost the money edge around the world...and the power is weakening as we can not control countries/people like we used to..
 

RLENT

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Did I specificly say "no other reason"?
No, I did ..... you however implied it:

"Look at our history, world history...our whole economy is built on it...."

I mean money begets power, that begets control ...
Uh .... ok ..... :rolleyes:

I mean look at the US..We've lost the money edge around the world...and the power is weakening as we can not control countries/people like we used to..
We've lost the money edge simply because in relation to other countries we are no longer as productive as we once were, comparatively speaking ....

BTW - we have no business controlling other countries .... they aren't ours to control ..... at least that was what the Founders seemed to think about it .....

Forgetting that admonition is likely to put one in the position of manufacturing our own enemies ..... simply as a consequence of misguided and misinformed foreign policy ....

Power is a very interesting thing ..... it's almost like a double-edged sword .... it's a bit of a trick to use it wisely ....

And woe unto those who fail to do so .... for surely they themselves will become a target ....
 

Tennesseahawk

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Somehow, I think OVM is being sarcastic here. It just doesn't fit his ideology to go to war. Reminds me of Rush's push to make soccer illegal, due to head injuries. Just doesn't add up.

I'll add two examples of war waged for economical purposes... The Iran/Iraq War, and impending Gulf War; and Hitler's side of WW2. Those were real winners, eh?
 

OntarioVanMan

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Hawk..you are somewhat correct..was is not my preferred idea of a solution but if one looks back on history...just how lucrative war was.....Look around the world...a lot of countries are imploding...they need an outlet...US foriegn policy is all about control....Control other countries politics to advance our agenda of wotld expansion, (business wise) at the same time call it fighting for freedom....some cases it is....some it isn't.
 

Tennesseahawk

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I see what you're saying. Yes, it is a realistic solution. In these tough times, some lunatic is more than likely to burst, and start a war. One that many countries would be interested in joining, for economic reasons, and wrap it in patriotism. Many would guess is Kim Jong Il will be that lunatic. But I see him as more like a savvy mobster. He'll push the envelope to the point where China won't back him up. My guess is Iran will be the culprit.
 
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OntarioVanMan

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Even N Korea doesn't have the resources to maintain a war for long time...unless aided by Russia, Iran and China...Right now I see a lot of frustration around the world...
 

layoutshooter

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Even N Korea doesn't have the resources to maintain a war for long time...unless aided by Russia, Iran and China...Right now I see a lot of frustration around the world...

North Korea has no intention of maintaining a war on it's own. They never have. They are totally controlled by outside sources and are just doing their bidding.

There may be a larger conflict coming, I truly hope not. War is such a waste. This could be such an exciting time in our history. Too bad we don't have any real leaders in the world to take us over that hump to the next step. I see so many wonderful possibilities right now. If just 5-6 so called "world leaders" would just vanish. So few are the cause of this entire mess and so many will pay for their egos.
 

RLENT

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Somehow, I think OVM is being sarcastic here. It just doesn't fit his ideology to go to war.
That probably accounts for why it took so long for me to respond initially ... it took me that long just to pick my jaw up off the floor .....

Hawk..you are somewhat correct..was is not my preferred idea of a solution but if one looks back on history ... just how lucrative war was .....
..... yeah .... just how lucrative .... to how few ....

And just how costly it is/was to so many, who paid the ultimate price ....
 

layoutshooter

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That probably accounts for why it took so long for me to respond initially ... it took me that long just to pick my jaw up off the floor .....


..... yeah .... just how lucrative .... to how few ....

And just how costly it is/was to so many, who paid the ultimate price ....

Not only those who paid the ultimate price, that forgets the physically and mentally wounded.

Many made money during WWII. The money that went through Detroit was staggering. Every plant was running 24/7

The cost of war is ALWAYS higher that avoiding it. War should be avoided, but not always at ALL costs.

Also, keep this in mind, peace is not the absence of armed conflict. There is no peace when millions are being murdered by their governments. The world is not at peace now.
 

greg334

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Layout,
Not a lot of people actually made money. The ones who really cleaned up were the workers who had all the overtime in '42. Once the '43 tax changes were active, you saw taxes as high as 95% being applied to a lot of profits.

The real issue wasn't the amount of money people made, but their costs and trying to keep up with it as a business with a sizable investment of machinery that was converted to war production was taxed, then replace the machinery because it was just wore out. Daisy Air Rifle in Plymouth is a good example, they bought new presses in '40 with a planned replacement 10 years later but those presses were just barely functioning when the government canceled their contract in July '45.

Audits were regular occurance, I bought a business inventory once that had all the accounting and government contract stuff still in the building. It was amazing what they went through to make just any profit.

The military industrial complex came about after the war. It seems with the expansion of the soviet threat in 1949, thee was a solid need to expand the military again.
 

Ragman

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The military industrial complex came about after the war. It seems with the expansion of the soviet threat in 1949, thee was a solid need to expand the military again.

I didn't know that . What a wonderful educational place this EO is. :D
 
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