tbubster
Seasoned Expediter
Sorry but some have.By saying we are lowing ourselfs to their level by using waterboarding is saying that very thing.
Waterboarding is torture says McCain
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Sorry but some have.By saying we are lowing ourselfs to their level by using waterboarding is saying that very thing.
In your own post #26 you stated that you don't want the U.S. to go down to the terrorists level by using waterboarding so it appears that you are equating the two.
Sorry, not even close to an equation.
I already did, several posts ago. Do I need to answer twice?Any who, assuming you just missed it. I said that I was talking about no one in particular, just speaking in general.
That wasn't an answer, it was an evasion of a question you can't answer - because nobody is [or was] ridiculing anybody.
The time to choose your words is before you say them, not after they're challenged.
To answer your [hypothetical] question: I have no idea what I'd do, and it doesn't matter anyway. The question asked was whether waterboarding is torture, and a hypothetical scenario involving Hitler is just silly. [One of the few places that overused word actually applies.]
It's torture, it's illegal, unethical, and ineffective to boot. Period.
And if the US can justify behavior that is illegal, unethical, and ineffective, we're no better [morally] than the bad guys we are fighting.
I already did, several posts ago. Do I need to answer twice?
That wasn't an answer, it was an evasion of a question you can't answer - because nobody is [or was] ridiculing anybody.
The time to choose your words is before you say them, not after they're challenged.
To answer your [hypothetical] question: I have no idea what I'd do, and it doesn't matter anyway. The question asked was whether waterboarding is torture, and a hypothetical scenario involving Hitler is just silly. [One of the few places that overused word actually applies.]
It's torture, it's illegal, unethical, and ineffective to boot. Period.
And if the US can justify behavior that is illegal, unethical, and ineffective, we're no better [morally] than the bad guys we are fighting.
That was the answer. Sorry you don't like it. It won't change. By the way, what ever made you think that I was speaking of anyone in in here?
Silly? I know you have no idea you would defend this nation. It shows when you write. That's not a put down, just a fact.
We handcuff our forces. We do not allow them to fight. By the way, what ever made you think that I was speaking of anyone in here? We are gutting the intelligence agencies and the military.
I would do what ever I could to insure the safety of my family and this nation.
How would you stop a terror attack? How would you go after the "bad guys" ? What means would you use? If you are opposed to the methods being used you must have an idea of what would work better. Please share them.
If our government REALLY wanted to torture someone. They would put them in a room with Flat screen TV's covering all the walls. Behind unbreakable glass, along with the speakers. Then pipe in music videos of the late pedophile freak Mr. Jackson. Any one would confess to anything to get away.
That would be Torture.
That would be Torture.
It is often those who have never had the responsibility of keeping others safe that rattle off the most.
If 'rattle off' means the chest thumping bluster that gets indulged in here, we can all see who does that. [Pretty frequently, now you mention it.]
I wonder, IF we could have used "harshness" to stop the attacks on 9/11, who would or would not? I wonder, how loud some would rattle about not doing enough to stop those attacks?
As we'll never know, the answer is pointless.
All from the safety provided by the very people that they ridicule.
It doesn't take a genius to see to whom the statement refers: those who disagree with the 'waterboarding isn't torture, it's enhanced interrogation' sophistry, including those who disagreed in this thread.
The word 'ridicule' is totally inappropriate, but you refuse to admit it - you pretend instead that it doesn't matter because you weren't referring to anyone in particular - but it makes no difference who the word referred to, it's still wrong.
If you think I would hesitate to use force to stop a threat to myself, my children, or anyone who is threatened in my presence [whatever you think 'shows in my writing'] my ex can tell you how wrong you are about that.
If our government REALLY wanted to torture someone. They would put them in a room with Flat screen TV's covering all the walls. Behind unbreakable glass, along with the speakers. Then pipe in music videos of the late pedophile freak Mr. Jackson. Any one would confess to anything to get away.
That would be Torture.
Hey...I like Jacksons music....
We even have the fitness video on Wii....I love it...great workout!
We even have the fitness video on Wii....I love it...great workout!
Hey...I like Jacksons music....
We even have the fitness video on Wii....I love it...great workout!
That explains a LOT!! LOL!!
How about being forced to listen to "Obama Babbles" 24/7?
From a music stand point Jackson was a genius..his arraignments were awesome....BUT not so good on the personal side of things...I loved Thriller..
now if I had to listen to Presidential speeches all day..that would be torture....
now if I had to listen to Presidential speeches all day..that would be torture....
It is all a matter of taste. I thought he was all glitz with zero substance and marginal talent. Annoying voice, weak, lacking volume. I can, however, picture Obama and Jackson in a remake of "Dumb and Dumber". Which is hard to picture since I never saw the original movie.
Now, without a doubt, listening to presidential speeches could induce brain death.
Bush Jr and Obama...as stand up comedians...who'd be the straight man....Stumbling George or Babbling Obama?...LOL
Kinda nice without someone stickin their opposite comment in....
Kinda nice without someone stickin their opposite comment in....
LOL!! That will likely happen aa more log in!
Watcha you up too? I am stuck home today. No one could get out on the Lake with me today. My buddy is sick.
At the Petro first out...in Rochelle Ill.
Good luck, hope you get out of there soon. This week can sometimes be slow, holiday and all. Every time we have stayed out we have done poorly this week. Once got stuck at a Cracker Barrel in TX for dinner. Nasty.
We did have a really good time once. Thanksgiving Day at a little truck stop in the Yukon. Caribou burgers. Wonderful views.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Nice flex with the big 136
....... unfortunately, you didn't explain why it isn't torture - nor did you address the various issues that I raised, or the questions that I poised.You have, yet once again, just made an assertion .... as though simply saying something makes it true .....
Very impressive - but perhaps you should consider getting with these guys for a little personal training:
Further, based on your fingers and toes allusion above, it seems that you feel that if no body parts are missing then that somehow automatically means the activity is not torture (otherwise the premise of missing pieces/parts is largely irrelevant to the matter)
If that is your belief, then I suspect that a live demonstration whereby a little bit of 120 or 220 volt current (AC or DC, your choice) and a pair of electrodes attached to your genitalia, might dissuade of you of the idea that pieces-n-parts actually have to be missing, in order for torture to have occurred.
It seems to me, that since you cannot apparently provide any sound, logical reasoning or explanation as to why waterboarding is not torture, and since your assertion flies in the face of our own government's position on the matter in the past (before the lunatics gained control of the asylum), historical precedent, and international norms and coventions ..... you assert that it is not, simply because you desire it to be used, and wish to escape culpability for both the moral and legal baggage that attends.
Yeeaah ... sorta figured that might be the case ....
What about the juice - wanna try that instead ?
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