US Army disinvites Franklin Graham

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Good..we just resolved the worlds problems..It is what it is...

I'll buy the coffee!

BTW what in Sams bells is Hillary doing?
In regards to the Faukland Islands?
Is she deliberately trying to **** off the Brits?
We'll have no allies when this admin is done...:mad:

WHAT? you mean that that Faulkland's have no right to determine THEIR own destiny? IS that OUR fault too? LOL!! Obama and Hilary are idiots.

By the way, if you really want to get a grip on what is going on in the Middle East you need to look at the Brits.
 

greg334

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Ah... I get it now.

Just because they kill less, they are not as important.

Terrorist are terrorist, be it a Christian Warrior or a Muslim. Even Mandela is a terrorist but he isn't Muslim and no one seems to mind that.

I am sitting at home taking care of my wife and listening the the BS case against the Hutaree group, who happened to plan mass murder (*allegedly) and happens to be a bunch of Christian Warriors. There seems to be a lot of these guys out in our country, they are frustrated, afraid of another religion and seeing their country be destroyed - using the same excuses that the 'new' clan used 100 years ago.

But what sect of Christianity are they?

Armenian?

Greek Orthodox?

Catholic?

Here in the United States, we have seen some Catholics do some really bad things. They didn't kill anyone but they have protected invaders. It is against church doctrine, meaning they are supporting the crimes of the invader and that can be construed along the lines of what the Nazis did by some peoples opinion.

The Greeks, oh my oh my, they eat Feta cheese and goat meat. But I don't remember one incident of violence.

Oh those Armenians, when have they demanded anything?

BUT it seems the ones who be doing some of this stuff come from one area of Christianity, the in your face Jesus saves people. Most of them are great people, they are charitable and tolerant but it is the few who take from the many when it comes down to unreasonable actions and speech.

So back to this Hutaree, it isn't that this is a single group who is espousing killing of police but others have after this group was arrested seem to defend them without hesitation. I know they don't represent the main stream sect of Christianity but regardless the people of the religion, of that specific sect needs to either distance themselves or deal with being lumped together with them as a hate group. It is just like the Muslims, they have just a few, not all leaders of the religion who are saying Jihad means kill infidels, but the entire religion is lumped together – i.e. Franklin Graham.

The attitude of some of these people;

The first thing that must be understood is that while the murder of any human being is the most serious crime one can commit, it is not necessarily a crime to kill a police officer.” - William N. Grigg who is a “Grateful follower of my Lord Jesus”

Now this is not buried in the article, but the opening paragraph - Pro Libertate: Casus Belli

Makes you wonder who are really reading, a Muslim Imam or a preacher yelling out “God D*amn America”?

This is just one of several articles that I read this morning and got to tell you that we need to actually support the police on this one and others like it.

Once we go down the path of allowing groups like this to espouse a war on government, and support them over the police who are trying to keep a lid on everything which is not an attack on any religion, then we are setting ourselves up to have what happened in Germany and other countries where tolerance is wiped out, a large majority run things and if you are not with them, you are against them – nothing in between.
 

aristotle

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Turtle... my father-in-law was likewise a retired Lt. Colonel in the US army, retiring after 20 years of active duty. An electrical engineer by training who served from 1966-1986. He and I had many conversations about military life in general, never once did he mention religious animosity in US ranks being a concern. My own stint in the US Navy likewise yielded no observations of religious harrassment or intimidation. Not to say there aren't isolated cases.

Personally, I do not belong to any church or organized religion. I have a healthy mistrust of such institutions. However, I do acknowledge and admire our nation's Judeo-Christian heritage. For whatever reasons, America enjoys Providential blessings.

Yet, I find this Weinstein fella very troubling. He has all the charm of a carnival barker with Tourette Syndrome. A self-aggrandizing circus act, Weistein, I am convinced is an agitator of the worst sort. An ACLU wannabee who sees bigotry behind every tree. His type will chip, chip, chip away at the armed forces until our military is torn asunder by political correctness.

Political correctness is the crux of this thread. FWIW, RLENT... I have never attacked you personally, just the ideas or opinions put forth. I continue to be amazed how those with zero military experience seem most ardent to attack. A little humility by those who have never served would be a welcome change, but that's not likely to happen. So, while you continue to enjoy all the comforts and blessings provided by our military servicemembers' sacrifices, flail away at their integrity. That's a proud tradition of Amerika's faultfinders.
 
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aristotle

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The more I learn about Franklin Graham, the more I admire this man. In an article today at ChristianPost.com - Today's Christian News Online there is a story reported by Michelle Vu giving more context to the brouhaha stirred up by CAIR against Franklin Graham. Despite continuing efforts by CAIR to remove Graham from the National Day of Prayer, several members of Congress are standing by Graham.

In an interesting side note, the article relates that Franklin Graham's son is currently serving overseas in the US military on his fourth combat deployment. Very impressive.
 

Turtle

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Eureka! - a blinding glimpse of the obvious. The fact that there is a huge difference in the degree of wacko makes all the difference in the world.
How can it possibly make any difference at all, much less all the difference in the world? Wacko is wacko, man. To concentrate on particular methods, like suicide bombers versus some other method, as if the method itself means squat, isn't even a case of not seeing the forest for the trees, it's not even being aware that you're in a forest at all.

The goal of a suicide bomber is not to kill himself, he can do that anywhere at any time. The goal is to kill as many people as possible and to strike fear into the hearts and minds of everyone else. They call it a victory, praise be to Allah, and we call evil, the act of a terrorist. We, on the other hand, us a different method, where not as many people have to die to accomplish the goal, although there's really not a lot of difference between a fundamentalist Islamic suicide bomber trying to kill non-Muslims and a soldier of a Christian nation with the moral high ground trying to kill Muslims who comes back in a body bag. The kill ratios are about the same, although we generally are ahead on that score. We explode bombs to kill as many people as possible and to strike fear into the hearts and minds of everyone else. They call it imperialistic, an act of brutal terror, we call it victory, and the ever-kewl shock and awe. America lives a winner, and America hates to lose.

They operate solo, or in small groups called terrorist cells and terrorist cell networks. We operate solo, or in small groups called platoons, battalions, divisions, fighter wings and battle fleets.

The degree of wacko here is that we're better equipped, better trained, and better funded. We're also markedly more successful. So, yeah, I guess you're right, the degrees of wacko does make all the difference in the world.

It is debatable as to whether we are a Christian nation, but we are absolutely a nation comprised chiefly of Christians. What we do as a nation is reflective of that. The people who make up the nation's military are selected from among us, chiefly Christians, and therefor do the bidding of a nation of Christians accordingly, with the mentality, mission and traditions of Christians and of a Christian military. The best defense is a good offense, we have that moral high ground, we're on a mission from God with Jesus as our navigator, we're fighting the good fight, so you and a lot of people can't or won't see it because we're right. We see a war plane flying overhead and we go, "Ohhhhhh, coooool," because we're fighting the good fight. They see a war plane plying overhead and they collectively pіss their pants, because they're terrified.

We kill Muslims, military and civilian alike, because of terrorism. We kill very few terrorists, however. We kill so few radical Islamic fundamentalist Muslim terrorists in relation to normal non-radical Muslim Islamists that it sure looks a lot like we're on a crusade to "kill 'am all and let God sort them out."

"The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. Hoooo-raaahhh."
 
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