Unfrickinbelivable

[OntarioVanMan]

This is where it gets confusing....In a CV theres not much to haggle about cept location and DH. We pretty much sold our souls for flat rate mileage rate.

You C's and D's pretty much always have to haggle....

 

[Falligator]

Hey, col...I'd say that I suck it up b/c right now as it stands my acceptance rating is 94% and my availability is 100%...for the year. Those are pretty damn good numbers in my book. And I'd much rather have a load than sit and wait but 2 loads back to back from Ocoee, Fl to Miami are definitely losers. And I had taken 1 of them. If dispatch had thrown a 20$ bonus for tolls and a first out, I would have taken the load but the response I got was " We have other trucks we could offer it to". Ok, so if you've got other trucks to offer it to, then don't call me wanting me to dh 60+ miles to get the load, then I have to dh back to the same area 235 miles when I get done with the load. when you've got other trucks sitting closer to p/u.

 

[jaminjim]

You should have been quoting the Col. not me.

 

[Falligator]

Yeah, I did...I hit the wrong quote button so I edited it. You just got to the post when I was editing it so it still wasn't changed, but yes. I take almost every load that I am sent.

 

[Falligator]

And if ya'll don't believe me I'll throw a copy and past from the Panther owner website.

 

[pjjjjj]

I wouldn't fault you for those runs.....BUT for the other "Independent Business Owners" What kind of owner are you IF you don't service a customer in a timely manner? For dispatch to have to go thru 10 drivers and haggle over a penny is stupid.....if your in service, your in service to serve in a timely manner...

I know if I were a dispatcher I'd go to, the go to guy to cover the load. No matter pass over 6 people to do it! I'd not waste my time. It's no wonder they need 20 dispatchers.....just to deal with "cherry pickers"

Is it considered cherrypicking to turn down a load which you know will cost you more than you will get paid?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Is it considered cherrypicking to turn down a load which you know will cost you more than you will get paid?

No........

 

[x06col]

I'd say we'all don't matter, an I don't care. If you like what you see in the mirror, you should be happy as a plum.

BTW did you catch the part about the green roads?

Jim, yes those type things are available, but, after waiting a day or so (phew) there isn't much energy left to mess with that kinda stuff. Ya know?

 

[Falligator]

I'd be a lot happier, If I could find this year I was dh less than last. That would be cool. So far, I'm happy with everything, but again, I am a newbie and the first year as an o/o I had a ton of dh miles.

 

[x06col]

The green roads??? Falligator, did you catch that?????

 

[greg334]

I don't know what you are all complaining about.

I thought that the panther life was great.....

I thought that you all made that $1.20/mile straight truck and .77/mile for the vans all the time. *not including FSC or am I wrong?

I don't how you all can use the word cherry pick when you don't make the offers.

As x06col, your only customer is really Panther and they control things. Doing Brokered loads is not a slam dunk, am I right?

Also, I don't get the 'change the rate after you accept it' thing at all. You have a contract about exclusive use of your services to service panther customers, so how is it that they can tell you one rate and then after the freight is on the truck, change the rate? Or is it that the freight has to be delivered for you to find out this info. Seems to me very underhanded, unethical and somewhat on the border of possibly illegal. How many of you actually told them that you refuse to deliver what is on your truck after you took it to delivery and took it back to the shipper?

 

[Fr8 Shaker]

Greg, I think the rate change that they are talking about is in the f.s.c. when it comes across the qc it is stated that it is an estimated f.s.c. and they don't know what they actually get for the f.s.c. until they get their statement.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

How can they not know what the FSC is?? they have to quote a shipper...sounds fishy.

 

[greg334]

Greg, I think the rate change that they are talking about is in the f.s.c. when it comes across the qc it is stated that it is an estimated f.s.c. and they don't know what they actually get for the f.s.c. until they get their statement.

Still, I stand by my post.

If they are in business to make money, then they should not play games with stupid policies - eat the cost to move the freight at what is accepted between the owner and the company or tell the customer that it will cost this much and that's too bad. To me, they are like my first company, running over dollars to chase pennies and it is very bad business in the long run.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Greg...remember Panther is not a true trucking company but just a financial investment company the happens to be in the trucking business...They prolly lease the computers, lease the building don't even own the pot to piss in...could be gone tomorrow if things go sour and not look back. The sequel could be P3....

 

[Fr8 Shaker]

Still, I stand by my post.

If they are in business to make money, then they should not play games with stupid policies - eat the cost to move the freight at what is accepted between the owner and the company or tell the customer that it will cost this much and that's too bad. To me, they are like my first company, running over dollars to chase pennies and it is very bad business in the long run.

Yeah Greg I couldn't agree with you more... penny wise, dollar foolish!

 

[Moot]

Greg, the following is sent out via QC and e-mail after accepting a load. It is a disclaimer stating that what ever was agreed upon is subject to change. The change I have had is to the mileage. Always less than the load offer and once as much as 8%.
------------------------------------------------------------
You have accepted the following rates
in relation to this PRO. As an
independent contractor, it is your
responsibility to ensure these terms
are in accordance with your contract
and agreed upon terms with dispatch.
(Estimated terms are subject to change
based on paying customer contract.)

ESTIMATED MILES: 438
RPM: 0.80
OR FLAT RATE: 0.00
ESTIMATED FSC RPM:
ESTIMATED DH MILES:
DH RPM:
OR DH FLAT:
DISP: QC 02-19-08 19:17
----------------------------------------
HANDLOAD: 25.00
BONUS: 125.00
DISP: QC 02-19-08 19:17

Load may require a swap based on
meeting customer needs and to ensure
compliance with FMCSA regulations.
Rates will be changed accordingly.
Please contact dispatch with any
discrepancies. Please be safe.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Moot...isn't that a load of crap? You mean they don't know the actual mileage? Sounds like a disclaimer from hell!!!

 

[cheri1122]

In other words, they're telling you that they can change any of the numbers, later, and you have no grounds for complaint - sounds just like the mythical megacorporation on an old tv show, called "Wesayso" (the Corporation, not the show). What an excellent way to maintain that revolving door of contractors!
And 'cherrypicking'? If loads are turned down because they aren't profitable, (businessman first, remember), then the loads would seem to be the problem. Calling folks who refuse to make a profit for the carrier, at their own expense, 'cherrypickers' shifts the blame to the businessperson who has every right to make decisions in their own best interest. How about putting the blame where it belongs: on the carrier that booked the load? If they can't find anyone willing to take the load, they ought to be looking at factors other than the drivers, IMO.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Cheri...it's not all about crappy loads...even good paying loads say 3-400 miles are turned down for longer ones.....as this is always a business persons proagative the right to say aye or nay...do you really think it's good for the business....