Lets see...an E-1 c or d unit would get 1.20 plus fsc or about $1.50pm . using Col's numbers of .80 that would leave .70cpm for the tax man.
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CharlesD
Expert Expediter
I will occasionally run cheap junk, but only if I'm in a bad area and there's something running to a better spot. When I was leased on to a carrier, I was one of those people who would run darn near anything because I had this notion that if I ran some junk then they would reward me with a good one. That didn't always work out. Now it depends on where I am. If I'm in a good area, I'll be picky and try to find a long one paying well, but if I'm in a bad freight area and I see something that's getting me out of there, I'll take it just to get out. What I won't do though is run a time sensitive run for an LTL rate.
The problem in this forum as I see it is some of the posters work for FDX, FDX WG or Lea and on the other hand some Tristate and Bolt , Panther....one on average is paid more then the other.....so we get this push an shove thing going on...whats one norm for one is anothers throw away...so we'll never get a concenus...
I think helping hands works better at small carriers and Allstate. Big carriers have so many dispatchers working so many loads with so many trucks every single day they don't remember the favors as readily and go longer between times working with the same truck. In smaller carriers dispatchers work the same truck more frequently and have a better chance of remembering things.
Mr. Bricker, it may be true smaller carriers have a better chance to remember who a driver is, but it seems to me, even though I no nothing about Computers that any Company large or small could/should have a Program that a Dispatcher could type O/O Truck # in and it would immediately show his/her history & acceptance/turn down percentage. So the Dispatcher would at least have an idea if they are probable to accept the load offer.
Also there have been some Fleet owners on this site Leased out to Panther II who seem to have some very good ideas that would benefit O/O and Panther. Does Panther Management listen to you if you bring your ideas to their attention?
Also there have been some Fleet owners on this site Leased out to Panther II who seem to have some very good ideas that would benefit O/O and Panther. Does Panther Management listen to you if you bring your ideas to their attention?
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
$.40 for my troubles. I'll be generous and say I avg 2500 miles/week. That's $1000. Now, let's be realistic and say 1500 miles/week. $600 is not what I'd say is worth being out here. If I put my numbers in (1.25+fsc=1.5625) I get $2343.75. Using your formula of .80 off the top, would put the total at $1143.75 for what goes in my pocket. For me to make that much using .40(for my troubles), I'd have to run 2860 miles vs the 1500 I used in my example! Which is better in your opinion?
Running those loads has a place... once in awhile to get out of a bad area, get closer to where you want to be, etc. But as a major staple? Nada. The phrase "Work smarter, not harder" comes to mind.
OVM... Yes, E1's rate is 1.20 for D units... UNLESS it's a preferred customer; in which case, it's 1.12. Seein as one truck I know of gets 85% of those 1.12 loads, it makes me wonder who's servicing whom, and in what way.
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Leo,
I don't buy into the "dispatchers' work so hard stuff.
I think that the real solution would be to take the dispatching pool and train them in trucks that they will be dispatching and then put them on an incentive program so to keep people moving.
They make an hourly wage, they go home and they forget about everything when they get up from their desk at the end of the day. If they had to really work for their money, knowing that if they don't get that load on that truck they won't get paid, maybe they will work harder and smarter.
To me, many dispatcher forget who actually pays the bills and their wages.
I don't buy into the "dispatchers' work so hard stuff.
I think that the real solution would be to take the dispatching pool and train them in trucks that they will be dispatching and then put them on an incentive program so to keep people moving.
They make an hourly wage, they go home and they forget about everything when they get up from their desk at the end of the day. If they had to really work for their money, knowing that if they don't get that load on that truck they won't get paid, maybe they will work harder and smarter.
To me, many dispatcher forget who actually pays the bills and their wages.
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
Greg said:
They make an hourly wage, they go home and they forget about everything when they get up from their desk at the end of the day. If they had to really work for their money, knowing that if they don't get that load on that truck they won't get paid, maybe they will work harder and smarter
Greg those people are called brokers
They make an hourly wage, they go home and they forget about everything when they get up from their desk at the end of the day. If they had to really work for their money, knowing that if they don't get that load on that truck they won't get paid, maybe they will work harder and smarter
Greg those people are called brokers
bearcat, yes, there is a system to show acceptance % etc. so they know that. What I'm talking about is the "favor" people regularly mention where dispatch asks you to "do them a favor and help with this load".
Drivers regularly complain about how many favors they do dispatch and never get a favor in return. Factors involved in that include the very large number of dispatchers. The driver complaining about how many favors they've done has probably done them all for different dispatchers so it's not like one dispatcher is getting a handful of favors from him without recompense.
Any driver or owner can submit ideas through the website. They go to the appropriate council member and when submitted they do get looked at and considered.
Drivers regularly complain about how many favors they do dispatch and never get a favor in return. Factors involved in that include the very large number of dispatchers. The driver complaining about how many favors they've done has probably done them all for different dispatchers so it's not like one dispatcher is getting a handful of favors from him without recompense.
Any driver or owner can submit ideas through the website. They go to the appropriate council member and when submitted they do get looked at and considered.
greg, you don't have to buy into anything you don't want to however I've sat in on a few occassions and I can tell you either I've been there during a time of anomoly each time or they've put on a fantastic charade with no advance notice each time or they're pretty darn busy an awful lot of the time.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Jim, I would say that if that is what you need to call them, that's alright with me. The point is that they have zero incentive to keep things rolling based on the fact that hourly wages don't guarantee performance and without any guarantees, many trucks may sit. I heard that used to be people in dispatching that owned trucks, if this is true it proves my point – the incentive is there to keep things rolling when your income is directly tied to it.
Leo,
I know what your saying but you can not convince me otherwise. I used to do the same job in a different industry and it was more intense and stressful that any dispatching job at Panther can ever be. The thing is there is always room for improvement and latitude for cheating in all systems, what you may be convinced can’t/won’t happen because of the amount of pressure, speed or even the confusion that takes place, may not be the case to some who have had to deal with it on the business end of things.
The thing is, I see two major things with Panther from the outside – one is that they can improve on how they dispatch the trucks and the other is getting some serious and reasonable people in there to find out what would be the best and most efficient way to handle the resources that is in their fleet. I don’t see either being solved but maybe it is because I am on the outside looking in and don’t see the actions of the ‘drivers council’.
I think panther is hearing you but they are not listening because they are not thinking in your terms. I may be totally wrong too, and get a phone call to tell me to shut up – who knows with black kitty cats?
When I was, for a short time with Panther I found 95% of the Dispatchers to be pleasant and helpful. One in particular who worked the late afternoon early evening shift would answer questions for me, and if I were really screwed up trying to find a consignee he would stay on the Cell phone and guide me turn by turn. He was always pleasant and a calming influence for me. ( I hate being lost)
These kinds of posts drag on and on and they are never quite accurate.
Panther dispatchers are not booking the loads that drivers see on their trucks. They are handled by another totally different department. And ......they are not on straight salary.
Where do people get this stuff?
Panther dispatchers are not booking the loads that drivers see on their trucks. They are handled by another totally different department. And ......they are not on straight salary.
Where do people get this stuff?
They? Who is they? You've got two "they"s that both refer to the subject of the first sentence, namely, Panther dispatchers.
Dispatchers dispatch loads that someone else has booked. The loads are booked by Customer Service Reps (CSR's) who deal directly with the customers. I can only assume that "they are not on straight salary" refers to the CSR's.
Dispatchers mislead, misdirect, omit and lie enough as it is without putting them on commission.
jay shipley
Seasoned Expediter
Personally, I think we need to base our rates on what the country expects from us. ie; TA Road Squad charges $91.00 per hour, plus $1.30 per mile. The very least you can expect to pay per hour upon being put into a shop, is $75.00 per hour. Blown tire? How much? My own personal belief, is that, if a company wants to patronize the "short hoppers", then they need to buy their own trucks and do just that. Then they won't be so eager to discuss such a nominal rate with them anymore.......due to OUR rising costs. Favors don't return favors....they are rewarded with MORE of the same...irregardless of dispatch. I'm not out here to do shippers favors......I'm out here to profit my own business, and the companies should conduct themselves like they have contracters....not drivers. The practice of deducting the "discount" from the drivers' settlement should be ceased as well. I didn't make any DEALS with any shippers.
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