Turn every school into a fortress.

[RLENT]

I invite our more liberal members to offer how we can best protect our 6 year-old children from being helplessly slaughtered at elementary schools.

At the point where you decide to extend that invitation to the more libertarian and paleo-conservative crowd, I might consider replying ...

In the meantime please try and see if you can manage to keep your knuckles up off the floor will ya ?

 

[layoutshooter]

I will be kinder to you. The lesson here is these women could not and did not defend themselves or the children adequately in the face of imminent slaughter. I remember them as they were: heroic but utterly defenseless.

We need to beef up security at American schools. What are your ideas on this subject?

They were defenseless because we require them to be so. Arm them and they would then NOT be defenseless. Kinda simple.

 

[davekc]

I'll just go with the simple fix.

 

[cranis]

How about allowing the school officials and teachers who are capable and competent, and wish to do so, to carry their choice of weapons.

jimmy

I disagree to this! Teachers work with kids, and kids are courious, so having guns in the class room would be unsafe to all. Also first reaction is get cover, not aim and shoot. it is nature.

 

[aristotle]

Was it really necessary to go there?
This situation has nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative.
I have heard people from both worlds taking all sorts of positions.

This is not the time to play politics.

We must toughen security in our schools. We should welcome ideas from all political spectrums on school safety. It is a fact that the education system in the United States is largely controlled by those favoring liberal ideology. There's no getting around certain facts. Certainly, people of all persuasions share a common interest in defending children entrusted to school teachers and administrators. There will be hundreds of good ideas from every corner. Let's get about the business of actually defending school kids in a meaningful way.

 

[layoutshooter]

I disagree to this! Teachers work with kids, and kids are courious, so having guns in the class room would be unsafe to all. Also first reaction is get cover, not aim and shoot. it is nature.

There was a time when schools had rifle teams. My Dad used to keep his shotgun in his school locker, he hunted to and from school. Training is the key. Teaching kids about guns, letting them handle them, taking away the 'forbidden fruit' aspect, solves most of those problems.

I was raised with guns. I started shooting when I was five. I never used them in an unsafe manner and, by the time I was 7 or 8, would have known how to defend my self with one if needed.

 

[davekc]

That is probably the key. Not all teachers want to handle guns. Easy fix. Find the ones that do and train them properly. If one is to enter a school, they will know some are armed but not necessarily which ones. Even that isn't a cure all but it might slow some of it down. The actual workable options against the mentally ill are pretty limited.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

This is true. There must be hundreds of thousands of single-moms being bullied in their own homes by thuggish or deranged sons. Adolescent boys being raised in the absence of an at-home father contributes mightily to the social ills we face.

If that's the case, then it's another sign of society creating something, and not dealing with it.

But I'm not necessarily talking about the single mom with the bully son. I'm talking mentally disturbed, ie evil, son. Society doesn't want to deal with THEM either... until it's too late.

 

[aristotle]

That is probably the key. Not all teachers want to handle guns. Easy fix. Find the ones that do and train them properly. If one is to enter a school, they will know some are armed but not necessarily which ones. Even that isn't a cure all but it might slow some of it down. The actual workable options against the mentally ill are pretty limited.

There is no single answer to school safety. Yet, many many steps can be taken which would dramatically reduce such tragedies. First and foremost, there must be some level of armed protection at school facilities. We live in a society chock full of deranged people who would copycat these slaughters for 15 minutes of infamy.

There will absolutely be more cases like the incident at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut. We cannot wish it away. When the general public comes to understand school campuses are protected by lethal means, the would-be shooter will move on to a softer target. The illusion of safety is no longer good enough.

 

[layoutshooter]

If that's the case, then it's another sign of society creating something, and not dealing with it.

But I'm not necessarily talking about the single mom with the bully son. I'm talking mentally disturbed, ie evil, son. Society doesn't want to deal with THEM either... until it's too late.

It is not easy to deal with them. Most options are very much open to abuse by the authority charged with enforcement. It is not that we don't want to deal with them, the problem is how without destroying personal liberty.

 

[cheri1122]

I disagree to this! Teachers work with kids, and kids are courious, so having guns in the class room would be unsafe to all. Also first reaction is get cover, not aim and shoot. it is nature.

Parents work with kids, too, and having weapons in the home is not inherently "unsafe". Responsible parents educate their children, especially in matters of self defense. We should teach our kids about safe handling of weapons for the same reason we teach them to swim: it may save their life [or someone else's] one day.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

There was a time when schools had rifle teams. My Dad used to keep his shotgun in his school locker, he hunted to and from school. Training is the key. Teaching kids about guns, letting them handle them, taking away the 'forbidden fruit' aspect, solves most of those problems.

I was raised with guns. I started shooting when I was five. I never used them in an unsafe manner and, by the time I was 7 or 8, would have known how to defend my self with one if needed.

Unfortunately, children use guns unsafely everyday, when they play shoot-em-up video games.

 

[layoutshooter]

Unfortunately, children use guns unsafely everyday, when they play shoot-em-up video games.

I am not a fan of those games, then again, I really know nothing about them. We played army, cops and robbers etc. We had play guns for those games. We did not become mass murderers. It goes FAR deeper than those games. There is no one single cause. There is not one solution. I do know one thing, we DO have to start teaching right from wrong again.

 

[cheri1122]

I will be kinder to you. The lesson here is these women could not and did not defend themselves or the children adequately in the face of imminent slaughter. I remember them as they were: heroic but utterly defenseless.

Bit of 'walking it back', now, eh? Because what you said before was:


We're talking about idyllic places with an open-door policy, mostly staffed by adult females who don't have much fight in them. The days of Mayberry RFD innocence are long gone.

Perhaps, a volunteer corps of ex-cops and former military police. Or a sanctioned group of reserve police officers specifically dedicated to school safety. Our schools need an increased presence of men whose sole mission at the school is to stop intruders.

If anyone's living in Mayberry, it's the guy who thinks "women don't have much fight in them" and that the ex cops and MPs and military are all men.
And as far as actual physical differences go, it's a fact that women generally have faster reflexes, which would make them preferable to men as shooters in an emergency situation.

 

[davekc]

I wouldn't see a problem with an armed trained woman guarding a school. The bullet comes out of the gun just as fast regardless of who is pulling the trigger.

 

[layoutshooter]

" it's a fact that women generally have faster reflexes, which would make them preferable to men as shooters in an emergency situation."



Faster reflexes are not the reason that women tend to be better shooters. It is partly due to the way a woman's body is put together. It is also partly due to the way a woman's brain works. Both are different than a man's. Just how it is. We were taught all this in my training class when I became a firearms instructor for 4H. Our trainer shot for the US Olympic rifle team. He also was a champion shooter at the National Camp Perry Matches. Great class. Learned a TON of stuff!

 

[aristotle]

I will be kinder to you. The lesson here is these women could not and did not defend themselves or the children adequately in the face of imminent slaughter. I remember them as they were: heroic but utterly defenseless.

Bit of 'walking it back', now, eh? Because what you said before was:


We're talking about idyllic places with an open-door policy, mostly staffed by adult females who don't have much fight in them. The days of Mayberry RFD innocence are long gone.

Perhaps, a volunteer corps of ex-cops and former military police. Or a sanctioned group of reserve police officers specifically dedicated to school safety. Our schools need an increased presence of men whose sole mission at the school is to stop intruders.


If anyone's living in Mayberry, it's the guy who thinks "women don't have much fight in them" and that the ex cops and MPs and military are all men.
And as far as actual physical differences go, it's a fact that women generally have faster reflexes, which would make them preferable to men as shooters in an emergency situation.

Not walking back a single word. The feminization of our schools does not help protect school children from harm. There are significant differences between how males and females react in a kill-or-be-killed moment.

 

[scottm4211]

Not walking back a single word. The feminization of our schools does not help protect school children from harm. There are significant differences between how males and females react in a kill-or-be-killed moment.

You mean like when the Colorado theatre shooter attacked the all female audience?

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[layoutshooter]

Not walking back a single word. The feminization of our schools does not help protect school children from harm. There are significant differences between how males and females react in a kill-or-be-killed moment.

Anyone can be trained to act in a correct manner, even a woman.

 

[aristotle]

You mean like when the Colorado theatre shooter attacked the all female audience?

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The topic is how best to protect young school children from an armed intruder at a school campus. But if you like, an armed security presence at cinemas works to some degree for moviegoers.