I would have no problems with that. Again, it is a local issue and each district must decide this for them selves.
Turn every school into a fortress.
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I would have no problems with that. Again, it is a local issue and each district must decide this for them selves.
How do we make schools safer?
We're talking about idyllic places with an open-door policy, mostly staffed by adult females who don't have much fight in them. The days of Mayberry RFD innocence are long gone. Schools need to take a much more defensive posture. There are many steps that can increase safety of students, but none of them would be seen as politically correct. We can choose between political correctness or actually protect the innocent.
Perhaps, a volunteer corps of ex-cops and former military police. Or a sanctioned group of reserve police officers specifically dedicated to school safety. Our schools need an increased presence of men whose sole mission at the school is to stop intruders.
We're talking about idyllic places with an open-door policy, mostly staffed by adult females who don't have much fight in them. The days of Mayberry RFD innocence are long gone. Schools need to take a much more defensive posture. There are many steps that can increase safety of students, but none of them would be seen as politically correct. We can choose between political correctness or actually protect the innocent.
Perhaps, a volunteer corps of ex-cops and former military police. Or a sanctioned group of reserve police officers specifically dedicated to school safety. Our schools need an increased presence of men whose sole mission at the school is to stop intruders.
No fight in women? Since most women, generally speaking, with equal training can out shoot most men, I don't see where the sex of the teacher makes a difference.
Again, what is right in the school district where you live may not be right for ours here. This MUST be kept at the local level.
Again, what is right in the school district where you live may not be right for ours here. This MUST be kept at the local level.
The feminization of our schools has not increased the safety of children in their care. Yes, women do not have the same level of fight in them as men. The presence of serious men, dedicated to protecting schoolchildren, would give a lone shooter pause to think about his chances of succeeding. Men and women are inherently different. It's politically-correct BS to pretend otherwise.
Political correctness and liberalism have brought us to the point we cannot even use common sense in defense of children at school.
Political correctness and liberalism have brought us to the point we cannot even use common sense in defense of children at school.
I was just stating a fact. Most women with equal training can out shoot most men. As to fight, since each person is an individual I can't answer. As I said. Your school district can do what ever it pleases. I am sure ours will. I have not heard of any meetings on the subject as yet.
We need to solve the problem. It needs to be solved at the local level. We really need to find out why this is even happening. What causes an individual to do this? There is one other fact that MUST be kept in mind. NOTHING can insure total safety.
We should leave teaching of the children to the teaching professionals...and security to the security professionals...
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It doesn't matter how well a female can shoot at a firing range. There's not much hesitancy among men when presented with a kill-or-be-killed moment. Women are nurturers. Men are hard-wired to kill if necessary. It's time to stop pretending the two genders aren't basically different.
Seems to me, any one of sound mind and body, is capable of defending themselves or others if they have desire to do so.
jimmy
I invite our more liberal members to offer how we can best protect our 6 year-old children from being helplessly slaughtered at elementary schools. As things stand presently, there are no serious means of protection at many schools. Are our places of education going to be school houses or slaughter houses?
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Tennesseahawk
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As my wife brought to my attention, we have little old ladies wanting to get help for their disturbed sons. When they bring to the attention of law enforcement that their sons are dangerous, the law enforcement tells them they can do nothing until laws are broken.
Well... we saw how that works.
Well... we saw how that works.
This is true. There must be hundreds of thousands of single-moms being bullied in their own homes by thuggish or deranged sons. Adolescent boys being raised in the absence of an at-home father contributes mightily to the social ills we face.
EnglishLady
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Those 'nurturers' paid the ultimate sacrifice defending the children - I think its disgusting the way you are belittling their memory.
In reply to Aristotle's contention that women's cultural role as nurterers would make them less aggressive in the face of threats, I offer a few examples of what women actually did inside the school:
Principal Dawn Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Sherlach were in a meeting with several other faculty members, when they heard gunshots outside the room.[SUP][23][/SUP] Hochsprung and Sherlach immediately left the room and rushed to the source of the sounds to encounter Lanza, who fatally shot them in a nearby hallway.[SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][24][/SUP] Diane Day, a school therapist who was at the faculty meeting as well, reported hearing screaming, followed by more gunshots.[SUP][24][/SUP] Natalie Hammond, vice principal and lead teacher in the meeting room, pressed her body against the door to keep it closed.[SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP] Lanza shot Hammond through the door in the leg and arm, and she was later treated at Danbury Hospital.[SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP]
Teacher Victoria Soto attempted to hide several children in a closet and cupboards.[SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][26][/SUP][SUP][27][/SUP] As Lanza entered her classroom, she put herself between the shooter and her students, and was fatally shot.[SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][27][/SUP] Lauren Rousseau, a substitute teacher since October, was shot in the face and killed.[SUP][28][/SUP] Teacher Anne Marie Murphy was found shot dead in her classroom, her body shielding her students.[SUP][28]
Those women did exactly what a man would do: whatever they could to protect the lives of the children.
Imagine how much more they could [and would] have done had they been armed!
Gun control isn't a viable solution - we wouldn't accept it, and we shouldn't. It only removes guns from the law abiding people, thereby limiting their ability to defend themselves and others, when confronted by insanity.
I believe the only workable solution is to encourage more law abiding citizens to become educated gun owners and to carry weapons as part of everyday life. It looks like our only defense against the psychopaths who exist among us.
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Principal Dawn Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Sherlach were in a meeting with several other faculty members, when they heard gunshots outside the room.[SUP][23][/SUP] Hochsprung and Sherlach immediately left the room and rushed to the source of the sounds to encounter Lanza, who fatally shot them in a nearby hallway.[SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][24][/SUP] Diane Day, a school therapist who was at the faculty meeting as well, reported hearing screaming, followed by more gunshots.[SUP][24][/SUP] Natalie Hammond, vice principal and lead teacher in the meeting room, pressed her body against the door to keep it closed.[SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP] Lanza shot Hammond through the door in the leg and arm, and she was later treated at Danbury Hospital.[SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP]
Teacher Victoria Soto attempted to hide several children in a closet and cupboards.[SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][26][/SUP][SUP][27][/SUP] As Lanza entered her classroom, she put herself between the shooter and her students, and was fatally shot.[SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][27][/SUP] Lauren Rousseau, a substitute teacher since October, was shot in the face and killed.[SUP][28][/SUP] Teacher Anne Marie Murphy was found shot dead in her classroom, her body shielding her students.[SUP][28]
Those women did exactly what a man would do: whatever they could to protect the lives of the children.
Imagine how much more they could [and would] have done had they been armed!
Gun control isn't a viable solution - we wouldn't accept it, and we shouldn't. It only removes guns from the law abiding people, thereby limiting their ability to defend themselves and others, when confronted by insanity.
I believe the only workable solution is to encourage more law abiding citizens to become educated gun owners and to carry weapons as part of everyday life. It looks like our only defense against the psychopaths who exist among us.
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These women did the absolute best they could, yet they had no means of protecting or defending the children or themselves. That's my point. They had nothing.
If they had been armed, and trained to use those arms, they would have. Unarmed people are victims waiting to happen.
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
As any man would have in the same circumstances I'm sure.
No-one can possible know how many children they saved that day with their very lives.
I will be kinder to you. The lesson here is these women could not and did not defend themselves or the children adequately in the face of imminent slaughter. I remember them as they were: heroic but utterly defenseless.
We need to beef up security at American schools. What are your ideas on this subject?
Was it really necessary to go there?
This situation has nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative.
I have heard people from both worlds taking all sorts of positions.
This is not the time to play politics.
