To Post or Not To Post - That Be The Question Y'all

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Wow, what a cool thread!

One of my carriers main focus is servicing their own customers and will use the boards to keep trucks moving.

One of my carriers focuses on the alliance but 60% of their business is from broker calls.

Another carrier focuses on NLM loads and their own customers and has for years.

One carrier does a mix of all that.

I think I have an awesome mix. Granted my van may be posted by several carriers but I only allow one carrier to bid on each load for me. The first one to call gets to bid it. I personally think it would be stupid have my partners bidding against each other to see who can get me the least money. Has that happened? Sure it has, but I try my best to make sure it doesn't happen. All these carriers have relationships with many different brokers and shippers and I benefit from that.

No disrespect Rocketman but most of my carriers and their dispatchers care very much about the rate they are bidding. Most dispatch teams are commission based and the more money they get the more money they make. Most of my carriers will ask me before bidding what I have to have to run the load, I tell them, they add a certain percentage to it and away we go.

The "over flow" carriers wouldn't exist if there wasnt a need for them. Many aren't actually overflow though when they are filling in the gaps of an existing customer base, just like every other carrier. I understand how having 20 vehicles posted in an area when in actuality there may only be 8 drivers can have a negetive affect on rates but there are solutions to that as well. It would just take a small tweak at the bid board level.

If both Selectus and NLM would assign life long driver numbers. Example is ABC Expedite sings on PreacherRich as a driver they assign him a driver # that will follow him with every carrier he ever runs with. ABC posts PreacherRich available in Laredo and show all the companies he is running with and only show one vehicle. It would also give shippers and brokers a true picture of who is hauling their frieght. They can give the drivers a score just like they do with carriers. It would also eliminate bad drivers from jumping carrier to carrier or fleet owner to fleet owner when you can look up their performance history. Just a thought..it would put an end to "ARTIFICIAL CAPACITY"

Not sure how you can control what carriers are bidding or not bidding for you. If you tell 3 carriers that you are empty in Chicago, don't all 3 go to work trying to load you?

Sylectus is a dispatch software. They would have no interest in doing seething like that and most carriers on the multi unit model would be opposed as it is not Sylectus's business. They would feel they need to butt out and stick to being a software company.

As for companies like NLM, why would they care. Lower rates for them represent a value to their customer. That benefits their customer and them.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
The "over flow" carriers wouldn't exist if there wasnt a need for them. Many aren't actually overflow though when they are filling in the gaps of an existing customer base, just like every other carrier.

The only need is the shippers desire to pay as little as possible. There will be lots of cases where the cheapies move while the legitimate carriers sit. Filling the gaps? Gaps will always be there. Trucks will tend to pile up in busy areas, making it tough to cover the odd load that pops up in Podunkville.
 

PreacherRich

Seasoned Expediter
Not sure how you can control what carriers are bidding or not bidding for you. If you tell 3 carriers that you are empty in Chicago, don't all 3 go to work trying to load you?

Sylectus is a dispatch software. They would have no interest in doing seething like that and most carriers on the multi unit model would be opposed as it is not Sylectus's business. They would feel they need to butt out and stick to being a software company.

As for companies like NLM, why would they care. Lower rates for them represent a value to their customer. That benefits their customer and them.

When a carrier calls me with a load that I may be interested in, I allow them 20 minutes secure that load. If another carrier calls with a different load or in some instances the same load, I tell them I am under bid for 20 minutes and will call them if I get the load. Pretty simple.

As for Sylectus and NLM they are both market driven and will continually need to adjust to the industry. Software companies do updates and improvements all the time and companies that own load boards need to provide the best service possible or someone else will. Lower rates are only a part of the story shippers do actually care about their loads getting to where they need to be.

ABC Expedite signed on Sprinter Steve as a driver. Sprinter Steve does a terrible job, his on time percentage is in the toilet and he cost an automotive supplier a million dollar fine by shutting down a line for a major automotive company. The supplier and auto company dont want to work with
ABC Expedite anymore. Three weeks later, critical shipment time, they award the Load to XYZ Expedite. Into the shippin office comes Sprinter Steve ready with hiis new company XYZ.

Dont the shippers deserve better? Wouldn't carriers want to protect their reputation? End Artificial Capacity. A Driver ranking system would benefit everyone, except the crappy drivers.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I don't know about a drivers rating system......Who will be the one to assign blame? Only 2 faults you can really blame on a driver anyway I can think of......Falling asleep for too long and being late and getting lost.....
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Software companies do adapt. But what you are talking about would not be loved by all of their customers. So basically they have no dog in this fight and they would gain nothing to upset some of their customers. They are a dispatch software, not a regulatory company. Kind of like asking Microsoft to assist.

I never see a driver rating system coming due to all of the legal aspects. But good carriers report to DAC generally on drivers. Good carriers run DAC reports, and or do good background checks before they hire a driver on. If more did this, than the drivers you speak of would have a very hard time getting a job, or they would be forced to clean up their act.
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
I think the larger issue is the rates. You just got a contract cancelled because you asked for .90/mile to leave your house...which tells me you consider that to be a good rate. Its not. I would love to know what you guys average per all miles.

We need less rate cutters in the industry, not more. A race to get the freight by cutting rates is a race to the bottom.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I think the larger issue is the rates. You just got a contract cancelled because you asked for .90/mile to leave your house...which tells me you consider that to be a good rate. Its not. I would love to know what you guys average per all miles.

We need less rate cutters in the industry, not more. A race to get the freight by cutting rates is a race to the bottom.

WAIT... Preacher asked for .90? is that all in?.....If it is....my Gawd Preacher....WHY would you drive for that low of a rate?....I don't understand....
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
WAIT... Preacher asked for .90? is that all in?.....If it is....my Gawd Preacher....WHY would you drive for that low of a rate?....I don't understand....

Thats the reason behind this whole thread....but wait....he gets to buy his own insurance and wait for the money too. He is independent though. And he gets to drive 10,000 miles a month! Gotta be worth somethin.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Thats the reason behind this whole thread....but wait....he gets to buy his own insurance and wait for the money too. He is independent though. And he gets to drive 10,000 miles a month! Gotta be worth somethin.

LOL... I was with a couple of carriers that liked to use "at least you're moving" from time to time. I didn't stay with them very long.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I stayed off the "rate" he was askin for and the fact that he said he was running his butt off...i promise you I ain't runnin 10,000 a month and i didn't run 30,000 mile in the 1st qter of this yr, but i can promise you i ran considerably less miles then the over dollar a mile per mile total that i made.....lol does that make sense!?!?

I looked at the run for 4 company model in the 1st yr i was in the business..when you consider the fact that id had to pay for all that i would have and had to run more miles to make less, it just didn't workout....As for the freedom, wow..i can anything i want out here, as long ad i am at the PU and Delivery on time...No, I'll stick to the "exclusive use" lease I have....
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Preacher..My signature says it all....We are not ganging up on you....just trying to show you that there is a better deal out there....even an improvement of just 1 thin dime over 100,000 miles is a $10,000 improvement....Time for the dime....:)
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
In defense of Rich, the cv is in a much tougher position. They do not have the flexibility with the number of carriers who will sign them on or run them. I also think that has created a bit of the "multi-carrier" market.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
In defense of Rich, the cv is in a much tougher position. They do not have the flexibility with the number of carriers who will sign them on or run them. I also think that has created a bit of the "multi-carrier" market.

True...successful CVing is not easy by any means.....there is sometimes not a lot left on the table by the time the scavengers have picked the bones on a loads real value.
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
I agree that I, at least, have been hard on Rich. I dont mean it so much as a slam to Rich as to the multi-carrier model. I like Rich and look forward to the day he is being paid what he is worth.

So to stick to the original topic of the thread. What should one do when a carrier, any carrier cancels his/her contract because they requested a .90/mile rate? Thank them!
 

BigCat

Expert Expediter
I don't understand why they let him go. I told panther when I went home not to call me with anything less than 600 miles at my rate. They never had a problem with that, I mean after all it was my time at home.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I don't understand why they let him go. I told panther when I went home not to call me with anything less than 600 miles at my rate. They never had a problem with that, I mean after all it was my time at home.
Obviously they want cheap freight runners, they want only people who'll take what is offered at THEIR rate only....no negotiating....
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
HS, the ANSWER is right below #44. Just trying to stir the debate about muti-carrier guys. Are they needed, or are they selfish with the attitude "I don't care what I'm doing to the industry, I just care about me ?" I don't know or understand the van segment. Curious to learn what makes those vanners tick.

Ok, here it is: keep me moving as much as is possible as a van expediter, and I'll sign with only one company. If not...

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.
 

Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
Here it is....you can drive 10,000 miles a month to gross what $7,000 (or less?) if you want.

I'll be happy to drive less than 7,000 miles that same month for the same gross pay.

Its pretty simple...figure up your cost per mile and multiply by 3,000 and you'll see how much less it would cost to bring in that 7k by getting better rates.
 
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chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I am with Rocketman and most other Load 1 o/o, drivers...my 1st qrter miles were no where near even 8000 a month, but the pay to the truck was over "$1.25 a mile....you run your self and van ragged, ill spend the cash to dh 200 miles for dinner when i have a fri night off...and not worry about having to taking a cheap low rate to get me anywhere...
 
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mxzane933

Seasoned Expediter
Here it is....you can drive 10,000 miles a month to gross what $7,000 (or less?) if you want.

I'll be happy to drive less than 7,000 miles that same month for the same gross pay.

Its pretty simple...figure up your cost per mile and multiply by 3,000 and you'll see how much less it would cost to bring in that 7k by getting better rates.

Ohh my. Time to do some reevaluating.

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