Third Party????

Ragman

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That's what we said last time. I think Obama is harmless when he has a Republican House. We may still go thru the food riots this election cycle. Depends on if Obama wants to feed the starving Chinese, or his own people.

Believe what you like, and dislike what you want to. I believe that Obama is out to eliminate our Constitution. I have seen nothing he believes in that leads me to believe other wise, from Obama care on down.

See TH post.
 

dieseldiva

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That's what we said last time. I think Obama is harmless when he has a Republican House. We may still go thru the food riots this election cycle. Depends on if Obama wants to feed the starving Chinese, or his own people.

What's the "other hand" doing?? While we're being distracted with jobless reports and debt ceiling arguments, the czars and agencies are lighting up a forest fire of regulations that are continuing to choke this economy.....all in the grand scheme of things.

Harmless??? I think not.
 

dieseldiva

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I am looking at the big picture. I'm looking BEYOND 2012. The conservative movement will not be won overnight. And it won't be won with an idiot RINO in office, claiming to be one of us. Got enough of that with W, for cryin out loud.

Yes we DID have enough of that with W but we can't afford to get in a hurry here. Look at what the tea-party principles have done thus far. We wouldn't be having ANY of these discussions had these folks not stuck their necks out and stood up to the bullying tactics. Look at how the debt deal discussion was "guided" from Obama saying months ago that he wanted a "clean bill" with an up or down vote, and then recently they were beginning to suggest that the stimulus wasn't large enough and we needed ANOTHER.....the tea party changed that whole discussion into one about making cuts and now even the big O is claiming that he really DID want more cuts in the deal than what was settled on. We have to be patient and let this thing run it's course and if another rino in the white house means getting O outta there, so be it. As I've said before, I don't care if it's Mickey Mouse running against him, I'll vote the big R and if a third party candidate shows up at this point in time , I would still vote republican.
 

layoutshooter

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Here it is.

OK, But I don't agree that he is "harmless" I can see him, given the chance, of doing away with congress or bypassing them and installing things that he (the "PuppetMaster") wishes. He is just aching for a chance to impose martial law.
 

Poorboy

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If Obama is reelected it will be the end of our Constitution. I just hope I can afford to stock up on a few things before it happens. Going to need to.

I already started, Food, Water, Batteries, and ofcourse, Lots and Lots of Bullets! Even gonna get me a few more guns :eek:
 
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greg334

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If Obama is reelected it will be the end of our Constitution. I just hope I can afford to stock up on a few things before it happens. Going to need to.

Really?

Wow that is said almost every 4 years.

Look a third party won't work, things have to change from the inside of either party but that won't until some of the issues that cause the division in this country is fixed within the two major political ideologies - liberal/conservative - because they are actually the same right now.

I think the most dangerous thing that can and does happen is the pandering that happens to catch the backing of the groups within the parties and ignoring most of the people who actually make a difference who look at real issues as important ones to them - jobs, economy, freedoms.
 

layoutshooter

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Really?

Wow that is said almost every 4 years.

Look a third party won't work, things have to change from the inside of either party but that won't until some of the issues that cause the division in this country is fixed within the two major political ideologies - liberal/conservative - because they are actually the same right now.

I think the most dangerous thing that can and does happen is the pandering that happens to catch the backing of the groups within the parties and ignoring most of the people who actually make a difference who look at real issues as important ones to them - jobs, economy, freedoms.

You believe what you want and I will believe what I want. I hope to be stocked up on certain items prior to the next election. Sooner if Hilary gets her way.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Yes we DID have enough of that with W but we can't afford to get in a hurry here. Look at what the tea-party principles have done thus far. We wouldn't be having ANY of these discussions had these folks not stuck their necks out and stood up to the bullying tactics. Look at how the debt deal discussion was "guided" from Obama saying months ago that he wanted a "clean bill" with an up or down vote, and then recently they were beginning to suggest that the stimulus wasn't large enough and we needed ANOTHER.....the tea party changed that whole discussion into one about making cuts and now even the big O is claiming that he really DID want more cuts in the deal than what was settled on. We have to be patient and let this thing run it's course and if another rino in the white house means getting O outta there, so be it. As I've said before, I don't care if it's Mickey Mouse running against him, I'll vote the big R and if a third party candidate shows up at this point in time , I would still vote republican.

Voting whatever way you want is your prerogative.

As far as getting in a hurry... "If not now, when?" If we don't push the Republicans now, when can we? When the next socialist is in office? You know now that the Democrats will put nothing but socialists up there, right? So when are we going to make our move?

I say this election, conservatives need to concentrate on local/state level elections. We also need to shake the party up, cause the establishment will never take us seriously if we don't. You know how big the Tea Party was, and they mock them. We need something HUGE... like a Ross Perot libertarian, coming out of nowhere. The conservatives need to win back the Republican party, before they'll have a chance at the WH, I know this. But we can't give the RINOs any more ammo against us. And I won't.
 

Camper

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A third party whose platform represented the true independent majority( far to the right of where the Republicans claim to stand on fiscal issues yet pure libertarian with respect to social issues) could be a real force to reckon with if armed with the right fund raising/organizing mechanisms.

The Reform Party came close to filling that void in 1992 but fell short due to a lack of deph in their organizational structure. They had the funding via Ross Perot but not the organization.

IMHO, A third party with the above mentioned platform with the funding and organization would quickly garner traction, amongst the silent majority who are currently disengaged from the political process.



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dieseldiva

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Voting whatever way you want is your prerogative.

As far as getting in a hurry... "If not now, when?" If we don't push the Republicans now, when can we? When the next socialist is in office? You know now that the Democrats will put nothing but socialists up there, right? So when are we going to make our move?

I say this election, conservatives need to concentrate on local/state level elections. We also need to shake the party up, cause the establishment will never take us seriously if we don't. You know how big the Tea Party was, and they mock them. We need something HUGE... like a Ross Perot libertarian, coming out of nowhere. The conservatives need to win back the Republican party, before they'll have a chance at the WH, I know this. But we can't give the RINOs any more ammo against us. And I won't.

OK....In your humble opinion, which of the current republican contenders, including those that seem certain to get in but haven't officially announced yet, which one would be WORSE than Obama??
 

xiggi

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That's what we said last time. I think Obama is harmless when he has a Republican House.

If you really believe that your not paying attention to laws and regulations being passed today without congress. There is immense harm to be done by the epa and many others without any real over site by congress.
 

Tennesseahawk

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If you really believe that your not paying attention to laws and regulations being passed today without congress. There is immense harm to be done by the epa and many others without any real over site by congress.

Same as there were when W was in.
 

layoutshooter

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If you really believe that your not paying attention to laws and regulations being passed today without congress. There is immense harm to be done by the epa and many others without any real over site by congress.


The Department of Education (indoctrination) scares me more than any other one. :eek:
 

Camper

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There is immense harm to be done by the epa and many others without any real over site by congress.

The Federal Reserve is the best example of an entity outside of congressional oversite that has and continues to inflict harm on the private sector.


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Tennesseahawk

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OK....In your humble opinion, which of the current republican contenders, including those that seem certain to get in but haven't officially announced yet, which one would be WORSE than Obama??

As far as...? Legislatively, none of them appear socialist. But any RINO has the power to destroy the Tea Party, and any other conservative movement. All he has to do is claim, "I'm the conservative in the group."
 

layoutshooter

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As far as...? Legislatively, none of them appear socialist. But any RINO has the power to destroy the Tea Party, and any other conservative movement. All he has to do is claim, "I'm the conservative in the group."

Romney is not a socialist? :confused: He firmly believes in socialism. He signed a socialist health care bill into law in MA. He has NO problem with accepting education monies from the Feds. Sounds socialist to me.
 

dieseldiva

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As far as...? Legislatively, none of them appear socialist. But any RINO has the power to destroy the Tea Party, and any other conservative movement. All he has to do is claim, "I'm the conservative in the group."

Overall, as the next president? I'm not sure where you're coming from about the power to destroy the tea party........:confused:
 
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