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ATeam

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Most of the MAGA's have difficulty reconciling the fact that they were misled and duped by a 2 bit conman ...

That's probably a pretty hard thing to own up to.

But they were warned ... repeatedly.

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Trump is not a two-bit conman. He is the most successful conman in the history of the world. He is highly skilled in his craft.
 
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Trump is not a two-bit conman. He is the most successful conman in the history of the world. He is highly skilled in his craft.
I'm trying to wrap my head around what kind of people would see a man as fit to lead our country with multiple criminal actions and decades-long records of deceit.
 
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muttly

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I'm trying to wrap my head around what kind of people would see a man as fit to lead our country with multiple criminal actions and decades-long records of deceit.
They see that he is being politically targeted through lawfare. That’s why he’s way up in the polls. People see that. Even ads aren’t working against him.
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ATeam

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I'm trying to wrap my head around what kind of people would see a man as fit to lead our country with multiple criminal actions and decades-long records of deceit.
This may be instructive. Source: ChatGPT

Al Capone was extremely popular and infamous during his heyday in the 1920s and early 1930s. He was a prominent figure in organized crime, particularly during the Prohibition era in the United States when the sale and consumption of alcohol were illegal. Capone was a key figure in the illegal alcohol trade and controlled much of the bootlegging operations in Chicago.

His notoriety extended beyond just his criminal activities. Capone was known for his flashy lifestyle, including his luxurious homes, expensive cars, and flashy clothing. He was often in the media spotlight, and his criminal activities and persona were widely covered in newspapers and magazines of the time.

Capone's popularity also stemmed from his ability to avoid conviction for many of his criminal activities, despite being a target of law enforcement. He became a symbol of defiance against the authorities and was seen by some as a Robin Hood-like figure who provided people with access to alcohol during Prohibition.

However, it's essential to note that while Capone was popular among certain segments of the population, he was also reviled by others for his violent and ruthless methods in consolidating his criminal empire. His activities resulted in numerous deaths and violent conflicts in Chicago, earning him a reputation as a dangerous gangster.

Ultimately, Al Capone's popularity was a complex mix of admiration and condemnation, and he remains one of the most iconic figures in American criminal history. He was eventually convicted of tax evasion in 1931 and sentenced to prison, which marked the decline of his criminal career and public prominence.
 
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I'm trying to wrap my head around what kind of people would see a man as fit to lead our country with multiple criminal actions and decades-long records of deceit.
People were lied to about the Hunter Biden laptop, but most still voted for Biden regardless of his criminal actions and decades long record of deceit.
 
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ATeam

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Fellow Republicans Suspend GA Senator Who Pushed For Willis's Impeachment

 
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ATeam

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Once again, I need to point out that Trump hasn't been convicted of a single crime. Therefore he remains innocent.
His company, the Trump Organization, was convicted by a jury for tax fraud.

His foundation, the Trump Foundation was dissolved by the NY AG after an investigation found it had engaged in widespread financial misconduct.

Recently, in a civil trial, a jury found Trump liable for sexual assault and defamation.

Just last week, a judge found Trump himself and the Trump Organization liable for repeated and widespread fraud.

In civil trials, a finding of liability is equivalent to a finding of guilty in a criminal trial.

Trump has committed fraud. Trump IS a fraud. He is not anywhere close to innocent, except for the presumption of innocence he is entitled to under the law when he is charged with a crime. More specifically in the present day, he receives the presumption of innocence when he is charged with 91 felony criminal counts.

In addition to being a fraud, Trump is also a liar, and a rapist. Good and decent people do not talk like Trump talks, viciously insulting people every day. Good and decent people do not do what Trump does.
 
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His company, the Trump Organization was convicted by a jury for tax fraud.

His foundation, the Trump Foundation was dissolved by the NY AG after an investigation found it had engaged in widespread financial misconduct.

Just last week, a judge found Trump himself and the Trump Organization liable for repeated and widespread fraud. This is a civil proceeding. A finding of liability is equivalent to a finding of guilty in a criminal trial.
Once again, the dealings of corporations bearing Trump's name are irrelevant. The law does not consider a civil finding equivalent to a criminal conviction.
Trump has committed fraud. Trump IS a fraud. He is not anywhere close to innocent, except for the presumption of innocence he is entitled to under the law when he is charged with a crime. More specifically in the present day, he receives the presumption of innocence when he is charged with 91 felony criminal counts.
That presumption of innocence remains a pesky fact that's a black or white concept: he's innocent until proven guilty. He also has the right to defend himself, and the courts along with the media seem to be doing their best to deny him this right in spite of all the public accusations by his prosecutors.
In addition to being a fraud, Trump is also a liar, and a rapist.
Being a liar is not a crime. If it were, every politician in the country would be in jail. Trump has not been convicted of rape, and the hearsay of a porn star hardly qualifies as factual.
 

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Pesky fact. Even a heavily Democratic jury decided ( with a much lower bar of 51 percent too) that a rape didn’t occur. Repeating the lie that he is doesn’t make it so.
 
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ATeam

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That presumption of innocence remains a pesky fact that's a black or white concept: he's innocent until proven guilty.
The presumption of innocence is provided In a court of law. It is not provided in the court of public opinion or in my opinion.

He also has the right to defend himself, and the courts along with the media seem to be doing their best to deny him this right in spite of all the public accusations by his prosecutors.
With his many attorney's Trump has been defending himself more than most citizens would be able to. He has submitted dozens and dozens of motions to various courts to defend himself. No one is denying him these opportunities.
 
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Ragman

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Pesky fact. Even a heavily Democratic jury decided ( with a much lower bar of 51 percent too) that a rape didn’t occur. Repeating the lie that he is doesn’t make it so.
And Magas continued repeating of the 2020 election lie doesn't make it so.
 
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RLENT

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Once again, I need to point out that Trump hasn't been convicted of a single crime. Therefore he remains innocent.

No.

He remains un-convicted, with a presumption of innocence before the law ... until the outcome of any trials he may face.

That's different than actually being innocent.

People are free to form their own opinions as to his guilt or innocence.
 
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ATeam

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No Federal Court for Meadows, Trump, Clark

A US Court previously denied Meadow's bid to move his Fulton County case to federal court.
Yesterday, Trump said he would not seek to move his Fulton County case to federal court.
Today, a federal judge denied Jeffrey Clark's bid to move his Fulton County case to federal court.

A few other defendants are seeking to move their cases to federal court but they are highly unlikely to succeed. It's looking like all 19 defendants in the Fulton County election interference case will be tried in the Fulton County Court.

With the federal court questions settled, we're one step closer to convictions.
 
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ATeam

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Pesky fact. Even a heavily Democratic jury decided ( with a much lower bar of 51 percent too) that a rape didn’t occur. Repeating the lie that he is doesn’t make it so.
I base my statement on Judge Kaplan's analysis and statement:

“The only issue on which the jury did not find in Ms Carroll’s favour was whether she proved that Mr Trump ‘raped’ her within the narrow, technical meaning of that term in the New York penal law.

“The jury … was instructed that it could find that Mr Trump ‘raped’ Ms Carroll only if it found that he forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s vagina with his penis.

“It could not find that he ‘raped’ her if it determined that Mr Trump forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll’s private sexual parts with his fingers – which commonly is considered ‘rape’ in other contexts – because the New York penal law definition of rape is limited to penile penetration.

“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.”
(Emphasis mine. Source).

If you want to continue to maintain that Trump is not a rapist because the jury did not check a box on a form, you are free to do that. Like the judge, I maintain that Trump is a rapist because the jury found he digitally penetrated a woman's vagina without her consent.
 
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