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What defies belief is the statement that it wasn’t in reference to Trump, which it OBVIOUSLY WAS.
Again, here it is: “Its the defense, not the court…”
If the court is willing to be dishonest about this, what other deceptions can the defense expect?

 

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All human beings have opinions. All have biases. Our brains are literally hard-wired to do that. It's how we're made. What makes a good judge a good judge (and a good human a good human), is the ability to be self-aware of one's opinions and biases; and to be objective and fair when performing the task at hand.

In Chutkan's case, the task at hand is to ensure all parties receive a fair trial in accordance with the law. Trump is already expected to appeal any Trump-adverse ruling Chutkan makes, so you can be sure his lawyers are watching Chutkan's every utterance and every move for reversible error. If she commits reversible error, you can be sure Trump's legal team will draw the appellate court's attention to it.

By all objective accounts, Chutkan is a good judge. Just as it would be easy for me to scan EO to find a statement you made that can be ripped out of context and unfairly twisted to discredit you, you can do the same with Judge Chutkan and her record. You can do it, that does not make it credible.

Chutkan was asked to recuse. She acted well within the law when she denied the request. The trial is scheduled to begin March 4, 2024.
 
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All human beings have opinions. All have biases. Our brains are literally hard-wired to do that. It's how we're made. What makes a good judge a good judge (and a good human a good human), is the ability to be self-aware of one's opinions and biases; and to be objective and fair when performing the task at hand.

In Chutkan's case, the task at hand is to ensure all parties receive a fair trial in accordance with the law. Trump is already expected to appeal any Trump-adverse ruling Chutkan makes, so you can be sure his lawyers are watching Chutkan's every utterance and every move for reversible error. If she commits reversible error, you can be sure Trump's legal team will draw the appellate court's attention to it.

By all objective accounts, Chutkan is a good judge. Just as it would be easy for me to scan EO to find a statement you made that can be ripped out of context and unfairly twisted to discredit you, you can do the same with Judge Chutkan and her record. You can do it, that does not make it credible.

Chutkan was asked to recuse. She acted well within the law when she denied the request. The trial is scheduled to begin March 4, 2024.
Then the ONE PERSON stated by the court previously was referencing Trump, right?
 
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Then the ONE PERSON stated by the court previously was referencing Trump, right?
I don't care about your meaningless question. You are attributing far more significance to "one" than any fair-minded person would. But, to answer, yes, Chutkan was likely referring to Trump when she said what she said. You are going to find a reason to condemn her as a judge anyway. Go ahead and have fun with that. "One" will serve that purpose as well as anything else you improperly and unfairly apply.
 
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I don't care about your meaningless question. You are attributing far more significance to "one" than any fair-minded person would. But, to answer, yes, Chutkan was likely referring to Trump when she said what she said. You are going to find a reason to condemn her as a judge anyway. Go ahead and have fun with that. "One" will serve that purpose as well as anything else you improperly and unfairly apply.
It can’t be meaningless if it’s actually relevant, but at least you were to admit that the statement referred to Trump, something the court didn’t want to do. That doesn’t provide confidence for the defense that the court will be an honest and fair arbiter in the judicial process.
 
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Just a few thoughts on this Trump decision in New York.
  • AG James based her election campaign on getting Trump. She's keeping her promise.
  • It's a civil case and the decision will not disqualify Trump from running from office.
  • It's yet another instance where the Trump haters are gloating that "we've got him now, Trump is doomed!" How many times has that been heard, even before the appeals process has run its course?
Speaking of appeals, it will be interesting how far Trump and his family will be willing to take it. There could be significant grounds for reversal considering the obvious bias on the part of the AG and the judge.

"Arthur Engoron, an elected civil Justice of the New York County Supreme Court, issued a rare summary judgment that concluded that New York Attorney General Letitia James proved her case before the defense mounted its own...

The accusations stem from claims made in Congress by Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen — already convicted for lying to Congress — who cooperated with the Democrat-run House of Representatives in persecuting Trump...

Cohen alleged that Trump inflated the values of his real estate properties — which are estimates, in any case — in obtaining real estate loans from banks against those properties.

The judge agreed, ignoring the fact that the banks almost certainly did their own due diligence investigations before making those loans, and disregarding the fact that no bank lost money on the loans. It did not matter that there was no injured party; exaggeration itself was enough..."

(italics mine)

If it's true that the judge had made his decision before the Trump team was allowed to present their case, that should be reversible error in itself. One would be inclined to conclude that this case is far from over.

Lastly, it's obvious the Democrat party is establishing a template for not only defeating, but also destroying their political opponents. It's no coincidence that all these cases against Trump are dropping in a year leading up to a presidential election in which the Democrat candidate is incredibly weak and unpopular. If they can't defeat their opponents in the political arena, then go after them in the federal and sympathetic blue state courts. If Trump is taken out and another strong candidate steps up they too will be similarly attacked in the courts and the media. This is Marxism, pure and simple.

 
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Wow! Trump to Testify at Trial

According to this source, former president Trump is on the witness lists submitted by Latisha James and the Trump legal team. In the New York fraud trial, which begins Monday, both the prosecution and defense are telling the judge they intend to put Trump on the stand under oath.

If that actually happens, it will be huge. For years, the legal-expert commentators have been saying Trump will never go on the stand because he lacks the self-control needed to keep himself from committing perjury and/or to keep himself from being prompted by skilled prosecutors to admit his crimes.

Will Trump actually take the stand? If so, will he behave as the legal-expert critics say he will? Time will tell.
 
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Just a few thoughts on this Trump decision in New York.
  • AG James based her election campaign on getting Trump. She's keeping her promise.
True, but she did not act until credible probable cause existed; namely, Michael Cohen's public testimony that Trump was fraudulently over-valuing and under-valuing his assets.
  • It's a civil case and the decision will not disqualify Trump from running from office.
True
  • It's yet another instance where the Trump haters are gloating that "we've got him now, Trump is doomed!" How many times has that been heard, even before the appeals process has run its course?
You are correct. There are a whole lot of people who prematurely said Trump was done. I don't think I have been among them. But now I am saying Trump is done in terms of his New York businesses. His business certificates have been canceled. That means he is done. This is not about a future hope. It's about action previously taken by a court.

After 30 days, Trump is legally prohibited from operating the businesses referenced in the court order. Without a valid business certificate, he cannot charge a fee to let someone use his NY golf course. He cannot collect rent in return for letting tenants occupy his NY properties. In that sense, regarding his NY businesses, Trump is done.

As I said above, Trump will appeal this ruling. But that does not mean the appeal will be heard by the appellate court, or that the ruling will be stayed while the appeal is pending. Appeal acceptance and a stay are separate questions yet to be answered. In either event, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Trump's New York businesses are done.

That's because I do not expect Trump to succeed on appeal. He is done. Could I be wrong about this? Yes, I could be wrong. But given the facts now known and Trump's abysmal history in court, I am highly confident his appeal will fail immediately, or it will fail after a stay and after it is heard. An appeal may delay the final outcome for a time, but delayed or not, Trump's New York businesses are done.

Speaking of appeals, it will be interesting how far Trump and his family will be willing to take it. There could be significant grounds for reversal considering the obvious bias on the part of the AG and the judge.

"Arthur Engoron, an elected civil Justice of the New York County Supreme Court, issued a rare summary judgment that concluded that New York Attorney General Letitia James proved her case before the defense mounted its own...

The accusations stem from claims made in Congress by Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen — already convicted for lying to Congress — who cooperated with the Democrat-run House of Representatives in persecuting Trump...

Cohen alleged that Trump inflated the values of his real estate properties — which are estimates, in any case — in obtaining real estate loans from banks against those properties.

The judge agreed, ignoring the fact that the banks almost certainly did their own due diligence investigations before making those loans, and disregarding the fact that no bank lost money on the loans. It did not matter that there was no injured party; exaggeration itself was enough..."

(italics mine)

If it's true that the judge had made his decision before the Trump team was allowed to present their case, that should be reversible error in itself. One would be inclined to conclude that this case is far from over.
Obviously, I have made that conclusion. This case is over, except for the appeal that is destined to fail. We'll just have to wait to see if my confidence in this outcome was properly or improperly placed. I am confident Trump's New York businesses are done.
Lastly, it's obvious the Democrat party is establishing a template for not only defeating, but also destroying their political opponents.
No, it's not obvious. Prosecutors are acting where they believe crimes were committed. They did the same with Senator Menendez, and Hunter Biden (both Democrats).

It's no coincidence that all these cases against Trump are dropping in a year leading up to a presidential election in which the Democrat candidate is incredibly weak and unpopular.
The reason the cases are dropping now and not earlier is because Trump has done everything in his power to delay progress in the cases. He has never once said I am innocent and am looking forward to a speedy trial so I can be exonerated. He instead delayed, delayed, delayed.
If they can't defeat their opponents in the political arena, then go after them in the federal and sympathetic blue state courts. If Trump is taken out and another strong candidate steps up they too will be similarly attacked in the courts and the media. This is Marxism, pure and simple.
No it is not.
 
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RLENT

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What defies belief is the statement that it wasn’t in reference to Trump, which it OBVIOUSLY WAS.

She was responding to the issue being raised by a Jan 6th defendant at sentencing:

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Note that the court did not say that Trump should be locked up.

Again, here it is: “Its the defense, not the court…”

That's correct - it was the defense ... trying to impart meaning ... from something the court did not actually say.

If the court is willing to be dishonest about this, what other deceptions can the defense expect?

She wasn't being dishonest.

She was being accurate.

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Appeals Court Denies Trump's Bid to Delay New York Fraud Trial

Just today, and yesterday, I mentioned Trump's abysmal track record in court. One of the main reasons he does so bad is he repeatedly brings garbage cases to court. To no one's surprise who is paying attention, it happened again in Trump's latest stunt; one where he sued the judge. The higher court vacated its temporary stay and denied Trump's motion for a stay of the trial that will begin Monday.

 
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Trump Will Not Seek to Move His Fulton County Case to Federal Court

"In a two-page notice filed in Fulton County, Trump attorney Steve Sadow said Trump based the decision 'on his well-founded confidence that this Honorable Court intends to fully and completely protect his constitutional right to a fair trial.'”

So there you have it. Trump wants to be tried in Fulton County because he feels that Court will "fully and completely protect his constitutional right to a fair trial." I don't want to hear MAGA people crying about zip codes or jury pools or Democrats. When, through his attorney, Trump says he is confident he can get a fair trial in Fulton County, it is baseless for MAGA people to say otherwise.

That's one less question to be answered, one less delay tactic to deal with, one step closer to conviction.

 
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What is obvious, is that you have never read the Communist Manifesto to know what Marxism really is.
Instead of a senseless meme there's a snarky comment with no substance, but just a touch of personal derision. But it so happens I did read the Communist Manifesto in college when the USSR was our primary cold war adversary. Of course I found it extremely boring and wasn't old or experienced enough to understand its relation to the politics of the day, but I could relate to the Viet Nam war protests and some of the things being taught in classes at the time. However, the things that stood out then and hold especially true now are his animosity toward religion, his antisemitism, and his ideas of the state controlling everything, especially the education of children - very similar to that of Lenin.

Fast forward to today, and it's all a lot more relevant. We can see the Democrat party's animosity toward Israel. We can see what they're doing to our education system (it's a mess) and how they're indoctrinating our children. We can see them trying to re-write our history and destroy our traditional American culture. We've witnessed their attempted character assassination of SCOTUS nominees like Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh. Now that's accelerated to the weaponization of our judicial system and outright coordinated political persecution of Donald Trump after ignoring the crimes of their own Hillary Clinton.

Their goal is to take Trump - the probable GOP nominee in 2024 - out of the race and put him in prison. How many communist countries can we name in which political opponents of those in power have been persecuted and imprisoned by the state, all in the name of one party rule? This is the goal of today's Democrat Socialist Party.
 
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Trump Will Not Seek to Move His Fulton County Case to Federal Court

"In a two-page notice filed in Fulton County, Trump attorney Steve Sadow said Trump based the decision 'on his well-founded confidence that this Honorable Court intends to fully and completely protect his constitutional right to a fair trial.'”

So there you have it. Trump wants to be tried in Fulton County because he feels that Court will "fully and completely protect his constitutional right to a fair trial." I don't want to hear MAGA people crying about zip codes or jury pools or Democrats. When, through his attorney, Trump says he is confident he can get a fair trial in Fulton County, it is baseless for MAGA people to say otherwise.

That's one less question to be answered, one step closer to conviction.

From the article posted:
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Also this:

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Regarding avenues for pretrial dismissal, don't get your hopes up. Trump has tried several times to have the case dismissed, the investigation stopped, the DA disqualified from the case, the special grand jury dissolved, the grand jury stopped from considering the special grand jury's report, etc. NONE of these attempts worked. Trump stands indicted with 18 co-defendants in a RICO case. "I toured the GA legal system and all I have to show for it is a T-shirt with my mug shot on it."

Before, Trump was exploring avenues for pretrial dismissal. Now he is praising the judge who will preside over his trial.

If there are any pretrial dismissal avenues left to explore, Trump seems to think they lie in the vicinity of the judge's butt cheeks, and the exploratory vehicle of choice is Trump's lips.
 
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Their goal is to take Trump - the probable GOP nominee in 2024 - out of the race and put him in prison.
And the crimes Trump has committed, personally or through his companies; have they nothing to do with anything?
 
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RLENT

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And the crimes Trump has committed, personally or through his companies. Have they nothing to do with anything?

Most of the MAGA's have difficulty reconciling the fact that they were misled and duped by a 2 bit conman ...

That's probably a pretty hard thing to own up to.

But they were warned ... repeatedly.

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