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danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
Because why use your own money when you can use other people's money.
The number of fake electors now flipping has grown to three.
Three Trump codefendants say they became false electors at Trump's 'direction'
Shawn Still, Cathleen Latham and David Shafer are Georgia Republicans charged alongside the former president in a racketeering conspiracy to subvert the 2020 election.
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Yes. That is true. There are indeed different ways to protest. And some are more effective than others.
Staying home when Trump calls on you to come out in protest is an ineffective way to protest.
Regarding the other ways there are to protest, how are those working? To date there have been four indictments and 91 felony counts. Have the other ways kept the number to only four and only 91? Would there have been more indictments and more counts had these "more effective" ways not been deployed? What are the protest methods "which they are doing now in more productive ways?"
I see that mug shot coffee mug sales have increased. Is that one of the methods? Is Jack Smith going to back off now that coffee mug sales are up?
I see that the FOX News ratings for the Republican debate dropped to half of the ratings of the Republican debate in the last election cycle. Is Fani Willis going to withdraw her indictment because MAGA is protesting by watching less FOX?
Generally, if a "more effective" protest method is being used, people will easily notice it is more effective. Something in the world will change exactly because the protests are "more effective." I'm not seeing that. What am I and the media missing? What "more effective" ways are going on (in the real world) that are not being reported?
Because it costs more if you use other people's money. Trump could have put up the $20,000 out of pocket without paying fees. But by using the bondsman's money, he incurs a fee.
That's what confuses me about this. Why is Trump paying a fee when he does not have to? Other than the fee, the result is exactly the same. Trump is out on bond. His choice to pay the bondsman's fee when he does not have to puzzles me.
Some have suggested Trump is using a bondsman because he or his supporting PACs do not have the $20,000. I don't believe that. Both Trump and the PACS have the money. They could easily spot the $20,000 if they wanted to.
Prison reform and Trump experiencing jail for the first time are two different issues. I have always supported prison reform. I am also thrilled to see Trump forced to enter a real jail to be booked. One does not offset the other.
While I would love to see Trump sentenced to prison for a long time, I would not want the conditions in that prison to be substandard, unsafe or cruel. The prison I worked in was a high-security facility not in need of reform. I was shocked and outraged when I learned from our prison staff and some of the inmates who had done time in deplorable prisons, just how bad things can get, and how much need for reform there is.
When I say I want to see Trump in prison, I mean a prison that is well run, not one that is poorly run. I wish a sub-standard prison conditions on no one.
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Because the 10% fee is non refundable, he just paid 20k he is not going to get back, if he paid it himself, he would have received it all back when the case is over.
Maybe Trump and his lawyers were concerned that Fulton county wouldn't return his money.
Republican ratings were down had something to do with an alternative thing they were watching, like the Tucker interview with Trump.
More on the case in GA and the "fake" electors as the mainstream media and Democrat operatives like to call them. Alternate electors are nothing new, and have been used before in ongoing close elections - most notably Hawaii in 1960 when the state was declared and certified for Nixon, then reversed for JFK after the recount. Democrats had alternate electors ready for that contingency.Investigation was started on a false premise. And the Fake News was used in the impeachment:
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MUST READ: The Entire Trump Investigation by Fani Willis Started after Raffensperger's Aide Jordan Fuchs Lied About President's Phone Call to Far-Left WaPo - Then Deleted the Recording - It Was Later Discovered in Her Trash Folder | The Gateway Pundi
In late December 2020, President Trump made a call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger asking him to look at some of the items that were uncovered by his auditor. There was plenty of evidence for a competent auditor or any man of integrity to know that the election was uncertifiable.www.thegatewaypundit.com
This article is well worth reading. The case being brought by Willis may not be the slam dunk the media and the Trump haters think it is.
"We’re conducting this because the contest of the election in Georgia is ongoing,” Smith told the group. “And so we continue to contest the election of the electors in Georgia.
And so we’re going to conduct this in accordance with the Constitution of the United States and we’re going to conduct the electorate today similar to what happened in 1960 in Hawaii.”
Trump attorneys led Georgia alternate electors plan, indicted ex-GOP chairman says - Washington Examiner
Former Georgia Republican Party head David Shafer said attorneys for former President Donald Trump, his campaign, and local GOP members called on him to create a slate of alternate electors that are part of the sweeping racketeering case in Fulton County.Shafer is among 18 co-defendants indicted...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Using “alternative electors” was publicly known before the slates were sent in. There was no great mystery.More on the case in GA and the "fake" electors as the mainstream media and Democrat operatives like to call them. Alternate electors are nothing new, and have been used before in ongoing close elections - most notably Hawaii in 1960 when the state was declared and certified for Nixon, then reversed for JFK after the recount. Democrats had alternate electors ready for that contingency.
This article is well worth reading. The case being brought by Willis may not be the slam dunk the media and the Trump haters think it is.
"We’re conducting this because the contest of the election in Georgia is ongoing,” Smith told the group. “And so we continue to contest the election of the electors in Georgia.
And so we’re going to conduct this in accordance with the Constitution of the United States and we’re going to conduct the electorate today similar to what happened in 1960 in Hawaii.”
Trump attorneys led Georgia alternate electors plan, indicted ex-GOP chairman says - Washington Examiner
Former Georgia Republican Party head David Shafer said attorneys for former President Donald Trump, his campaign, and local GOP members called on him to create a slate of alternate electors that are part of the sweeping racketeering case in Fulton County.Shafer is among 18 co-defendants indicted...
Also, those Hawaii Dem “alternate electors” sent in an unofficial slate but called themselves duly appointed knowing the recount was not finished.
The "Trump is disqualified by the 14th Amendment" idea is gaining traction.
1. In New Mexico, a county official who participated in the insurrection has been removed from office under the 14th Amendment. His name is Couy Griffen. He appealed this action to the New Mexico Supreme Court and the Court dismissed his appeal. In Feb. 2023, Griffen asked the Court to reconsider and they denied that motion too. (Story here) This is not a hypothetical example. It is a real-world, modern-times, case in which a public official was removed from office under the 14th Amendment, and he is barred from holding public office again.
2. Similar action has been initiated in Georgia. A group of voters filed a complaint with the GA Secretary of State. They seek the removal of Marjorie Taylor Greene from office on 14th Amendment grounds. Greene responded by filing a lawsuit in federal court. She is asking the Court to block the Secretary's proceeding. (Story here)
3. A Florida attorney recently filed a lawsuit in Palm Beach County regarding this matter. (Story here) To me, this seems premature as no presidential candidate of any party, and no independent candidate, has yet filed to be on that ballot. There is a process for that. Such filings will come at a later date.
4. SiriusXM radio personality Dean Obeidallah has become outspoken on this issue. In an approach that seems more appropriate for the time, he is urging his listeners to contact their Secretaries of State and ask them to start considering the question now. Everyone knows this is coming. If the Secretaries of State think about this in advance, and consult their state Attorney Generals, as many are likely to do, the Secretaries will be prepared to deal with the issue when the ballot access filings begin. They can provide instant and clear guidance to the parties and the public regarding Trump's eligibility, and the parties and Trump can quickly react.
Obeidallah provides a template email message for people to use when contacting their Secretary of State. You can read it here (scroll to the bottom of the page).
I think it is wise for every Secretary of State to prepare now for what's coming. Every one of them is going to get sued for the decision they make or do not make. If Trump is allowed on the ballot, certain voters will sue to have Trump disqualified on 14th Amendment grounds. If Trump is not allowed on the ballot, Trump will sue the Secretary of State to argue the 14th Amendment does not apply, and to thereby gain ballot access.
A Secretary of State who is not preparing in advance will be forced to deal with the issue anyway. No one on either side of this will be content to wait while a Secretary sits on this. They will make emergency appeals to get things moving.
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That Hawaii argument is often cited. I expect it will be argued in court too. There are notable differences; namely, note the difference between "alternate" electors and "fraudulent (fake) electors." In some states, Republicans put true alternate electors forward. None of those were charged with crimes because none of those committed fraud. The fraudulent electors did. And the fools signed their names to the evidence and submitted it to the government ... so, yes, it's a slam dunk case for Willis and Smith to make.More on the case in GA and the "fake" electors as the mainstream media and Democrat operatives like to call them. Alternate electors are nothing new, and have been used before in ongoing close elections - most notably Hawaii in 1960 when the state was declared and certified for Nixon, then reversed for JFK after the recount. Democrats had alternate electors ready for that contingency.
This article is well worth reading. The case being brought by Willis may not be the slam dunk the media and the Trump haters think it is.
"We’re conducting this because the contest of the election in Georgia is ongoing,” Smith told the group. “And so we continue to contest the election of the electors in Georgia.
And so we’re going to conduct this in accordance with the Constitution of the United States and we’re going to conduct the electorate today similar to what happened in 1960 in Hawaii.”
Trump attorneys led Georgia alternate electors plan, indicted ex-GOP chairman says - Washington Examiner
Former Georgia Republican Party head David Shafer said attorneys for former President Donald Trump, his campaign, and local GOP members called on him to create a slate of alternate electors that are part of the sweeping racketeering case in Fulton County.Shafer is among 18 co-defendants indicted...
The Hawaii Dem “alternate electors” submitted their slate with a false statement that they were duly appointed. That was not truthful.
I'm not going to get into ancient Hawaii details. If the Hawaii argument has any merit at all, it will be made in court in the near future.
Here's what Google Bard says about this:
"The Georgia Republican electors were charged with crimes because they knowingly and willfully violated the law by signing a certificate falsely declaring themselves as the state's 'duly elected and qualified' electors and falsely claiming that Trump had won. The Georgia law that they violated makes it a crime to "impersonate a public officer" and to "make a false statement" with the intent to deceive.
"The Hawaii Republican electors were not charged with crimes because they did not knowingly and willfully violate the law. They believed that Nixon had won the election, and they were acting in good faith when they cast their votes for him."
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Bard “conveniently” left out any mention of the Dem “alternate electors”.
The Tucker/Trump interview on X is currently showing 259.5 MILLION views. It's fair to say that set a record for Twitter.