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Jan 6 Committee Refers Trump and Others to DOJ for Prosecution

While it carries no legal weight with DOJ, the committee's referral is an item of great historical significance. It has never before happened in US history that a former president was accused of crimes in this manner.

The committee's report provides the evidence on which their accusations are based. The crimes said by the committee to have been committed by Trump are:
  • Obstruction of an official proceeding
  • Conspiracy to defraud the United States
  • Conspiracy to make false statements
  • Incite, assist, or aid and comfort an insurrection
In other news, Trump is running to be president once again, but nobody cares.
 
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Jan 6 Committee Refers Trump and Others to DOJ for Prosecution

While it carries no legal weight with DOJ, the committee's referral is an item of great historical significance. It has never before happened in US history that a former president was accused of crimes in this manner.

The committee's report provides the evidence on which their accusations are based. The crimes said by the committee to have been committed by Trump are:
  • Obstruction of an official proceeding
  • Conspiracy to defraud the United States
  • Conspiracy to make false statements
  • Incite, assist, or aid and comfort an insurrection
In other news, Trump is running to be president once again, but nobody cares.
The DOJ will probably think long and hard before prosecuting any of the alleged crimes, because it would open the case for cross-examination and a discovery process which would bring a lot of skeletons out of a lot of closets. However, they'll probably pick the insurrection charge just to get an indictment on Trump and disqualify him as a candidate under the 14th Amendment. In the unlikely event that Biden runs for a 2nd term, that also might present some legal if not ethical problems for one candidate orchestrating an indictment against an opponent.

Even if none of the above takes place, Trump's early-announced candidacy will likely flame out as the public loses interest and tires of the nonstop drama. In spite of Trump's overwhelming name recognition - which could be a detriment - a formidable new candidate like DeSantis would be a breath of fresh air and a welcome alternative who conservative and independent voters could easily accept.
 

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House Ways and Means Committee Weights Releasing Trump's Tax Returns to the Public

The law says Congress can obtain from the IRS any tax return it pleases. While the US House requested Trump's returns, Trump was able to delay delivery for years with his usual legal delay maneuvers. Ultimately, he failed and the House now has the returns. With the returns now in hand, the Ways and Means Committee is discussing the public release of Trump's tax returns.

I oppose such a release.

Trump does not want his tax returns on public display and he is not legally obligated to put them there. Other than a revenge slap in the face that childish actors might enjoy delivering, I see little to be gained by the Democrats releasing these returns.

The DOJ already has Trump's tax returns. With Republicans soon to take control of the House, there will be no House investigation of Trump's tax returns. And with them already in DOJ hands, there is no need for the House to Investigate.

Tax returns are properly regarded as private documents. While there is precedent and it is legal for the House to release someone's tax returns to the public, I see more harm than good coming from such a release.

Trump refused to release his returns the first time he ran for office, even though making one's tax returns public is a custom widely followed by many candidates. But custom is not a legal requirement and Trump is allowed to keep his returns private if he wishes. The exception would be if they become evidence in a court proceeding and are released according to the rules that apply in that context. But until then, Trump's tax returns are his tax returns.

While properly and legally delivered to the House for their internal use, Trump's tax returns should be kept private. If the House finds evidence of tax fraud or other crimes in Trump's tax returns, that should be referred to DOJ for investigation and prosecution, not released to the public.

I agree with the Republicans on this one. "Republicans on the committee have argued that releasing the records would set a new precedent that threatens “the privacy of every American” and grants Congress “nearly unlimited power to target political enemies,” Ways and Means Republican Leader Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Tx.) said in a statement." (Source)
 

ATeam

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House Ways and Means Committee Weights Releasing Trump's Tax Returns to the Public

I oppose such a release.
Bummer. They went ahead and voted to release Trumps tax returns to the public. Methinks this is a bad, stupid move that will do more harm than good in the long run.
 

Pilgrim

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Bummer. They went ahead and voted to release Trumps tax returns to the public. Methinks this is a bad, stupid move that will do more harm than good in the long run.
It's also a move that could come back to bite them during the next couple of years. There are likely a few Democrats who don't want their taxes made public.
 

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It's also a move that could come back to bite them during the next couple of years. There are likely a few Democrats who don't want their taxes made public.
They won’t be made public. Republicans won’t do it.
 

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For Trump it won't amount to much. Most people - including the hyperventilating nabobs on CNN and MSNBC - don't understand their own tax returns, much less the convoluted tax documents of Trump and his businesses that have been prepared by teams of accountants and lawyers. It just sets a bad precedent for the future and will yield no significant benefit.
 
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For Trump it won't amount to much. Most people - including the hyperventilating nabobs on CNN and MSNBC - don't understand their own tax returns, much less the convoluted tax documents of Trump and his businesses that have been prepared by teams of accountants and lawyers. It just sets a bad precedent for the future and will yield no significant benefit.
The public does not need CPA-level knowledge to know the difference between tax right and wrong. For example, we're learning that Trump was not under audit as he claimed when he first declared his run for office. He lied and lying is wrong.

I never believed that claim because whether one is under audit or not, anyone can release one's tax returns. And until Trump, it was the custom for modern presidential candidates to do so.

The public does not need CPA-level knowledge to know that Trump-named Commissioner of Internal Revenue pretty much gave Trump a pass on tax compliance; a pass no ordinary citizen would receive. That's a double standard and that too is wrong.

Both of these are serious matters, and both could have been announced by the House without releasing Trump's tax returns to the public.

The House chairman of ways and means also announced that Trump showed tens of millions of dollars of tax losses that were not substantiated. If true, that's called tax fraud, a crime for which Trump must answer. But the proper thing to do with a finding like that is not to release Trump's tax returns to the public. It's to refer the matter to the Department of Justice which would consider, investigate and charge such crimes as appropriate. Releasing the returns to the public is neither a proper nor helpful remedy.
 

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Well because its trump they will do anything to destroy him even if it means Republicans can now do it to Biden and any Democrat.
Trump's actions lead many to believe that his political career should be destroyed, that is true. But let's also remember that had Trump not taken those actions, people would feel differently.

You are correct that the Republicans will now feel free to use the release of tax returns as a political weapon. That's one of the major downsides of what the House Ways and Means Committee did to Trump yesterday. How long do you think it will be before Republican House members cry out for the release of Hillary's, and Biden's returns?

Oops, scratch that. Those people long ago released their returns as is the custom among all recent presidential candidates except Trump.

But Republicans will still feel free to use this weapon. I expect to see Hunter Biden's tax returns made public soon, and perhaps many others who Republicans dislike. If you support the involuntary release of any person's tax returns to the public, you are logically and morally compelled to support the release of Trump's.
 
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Until it was reported in the news last night, I did not know the IRS had a longstanding policy that requires the tax returns of sitting presidents to be audited every year. It seems that requirement was improperly blocked or lifted for Trump's benefit by Trump's Commissioner of Revenue.

There again, you don't have to be a CPA to know that is wrong. And that is a lick on the IRS commissioner and perhaps a Trump abuse of power that corrupts the process for Trump's benefit. And there again, the remedy is not to release Trump's tax returns to the public. It is to refer the matter to DOJ for investigation and possible prosecution.

It would have been appropriate for the House to investigate the matter themselves and they likely would have done so had they known of the breach. While the House was entitled by law to received these returns, Trump successfully delayed that for years with his usual use of the courts to keep such things from happening. Ultimately he failed and the day will come when Trump and/or his IRS commissioner will have to answer for this particular abuse of power.
 
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See Democrats are trying to hard to get trump if they would just leave him alone he would have just walked off and went back to just being a simple businessman but they can't do that because they fear him......because he really does care about the American people.
 
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See Democrats are trying to hard to get trump if they would just leave him alone he would have just walked off and went back to just being a simple businessman but they can't do that because they fear him......because he really does care about the American people.
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