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Turns out New York Proud Boy Matthew Greene's flipping and turning State's evidence is kind of a big get:

He pleads to a felony conspiracy charge ... for acting with others to stop the Congress' certification of the vote count:

Proud Boy pleads guilty to felony charge in Capitol riot

So, much to the chagrin of any resident denialists here, clearly: insurrection ...

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The following is an interesting piece on how the government is using terrorism enhancements to provide Jan 6th conspirators with a little "motivation" to plead out and save the government from time, trouble, and expense of having to prosecute their stupid butts at trial:

BROKEN WINDOWS POLICING AND JANUARY 6 PLEA DEALS

Plea offer of a single count of obstruction, with a sentencing guidelines range of 41 to 51 months versus ... an additional 7 counts which could yield a range of 210 to 262 months.

That's 17 1/2 to almost 22 years.

I'm still waiting to see all those cases that some claimed were going to be dismissed or thrown out.
Who is claiming they will be dismissed or thrown out?
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RLENT

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Meet the new guy.
Same as the old guy.

LOL ... no.

That is the old guy.

Phillips tenure ended when the current US Attorney for the District of Columbia - Matthew M. Graves - was confirmed by the Senate and subsequently sworn in.

Try to keep up ... and don't rely on rightwing Trump hacks for reliable data.

They tend to have an agenda.

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muttly

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LOL ... no.

That is the old guy.

Phillips tenure ended when the current US Attorney for the District of Columbia - Matthew M. Graves - was confirmed by the Senate and subsequently sworn in.

Try to keep up ... and don't rely on rightwing Trump hacks for reliable data.

They tend to have an agenda.

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Article was from October and is accurate.
Most of charging has already been done already. Lol
But the sites you reference don’t ? Riight
 

RLENT

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Article was from October

Correct.

and is accurate.

In what respect ?

Most of charging has already been done already.

Not so sure that is the case ... there is at least another 1500 that could potentially face charges.


That was my reaction ... when I saw Kelly was playing the race card.

Knew that would get Trump supporters snapping' ...

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But the sites you reference don’t ?

Don't what ?

Have an agenda ?

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muttly

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Correct.



In what respect ?



Not so sure that is the case ... there is at least another 1500 that could potentially face charges.



That was my reaction ... when I saw Kelly was playing the race card.

Knew that would get Trump supporters snapping' ...

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Don't what ?

Have an agenda ?

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Another 1500? You’d think after about a year of the the most extensive investigation in history with unlimited manpower and resources along with endless video footage( in daylight and most without masks) throughout it would be wrapping up by now. Lol
Still haven’t, after all this time, identified and arrested scaffold commander guy and fence cutter guy. Smh…

It’s not playing the race card if it is true.
 
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Meet the new guy.
Same as the old guy.
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The new guy is a real piece of work, especially when handing out his own version of "justice", which seems to be based on social justice. He is obviously anti-Trump, anti-Trump voter and anti-White, as the article points out toward the end. (Bold emphasis mine)

"But Phillips’ prosecutorial outrage is indeed selective. He signed an amicus brief last year in a case opposing law enforcement tactics to quell months of rioting in Portland. Phillips claimed the “violent actions of federal agents against peaceful protesters have damaged already-fragile bonds of trust with law enforcement.” (He has expressed no similar concerns over law enforcement’s attacks, including the use of rubber bullets, explosive devices, and tear gas, against peaceful protesters at the Capitol on January 6, despite extensive evidence.)

Phillips is not colorblind, nor blind in the application of justice, as the American people expect. Is he using his temporary post to punish white Trump supporters who participated in the events of January 6 as a way to impose what Phillips views as “racial equity” in the justice system? Why is his office vengefully tracking down Capitol protesters, arresting people every week, while letting “social justice” offenders off the hook?"


This is just another glaring example of the unequal treatment being given the Trump protesters of Jan 6th. They sit in the squalid conditions of a run-down DC jail after the rioters in Portland, Seattle and Minneapolis were slapped on their wrists and bailed out of jail by Democrat fundraising websites. Few, if any, were convicted and given significant jail time.

One last thought: the Republicans are doing a really bad job of addressing this situation and doing something to insure these people get fair and equal treatment under the law. There's also the issue of their basic civil rights being denied, such as their right to a speedy trial. And as expected. we get crickets from the mainstream media.
 

RLENT

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Another 1500? You’d think after about a year of the the most extensive investigation in history with unlimited manpower and resources along with endless video footage( in daylight and most without masks) throughout it would be wrapping up by now.

The manpower is not unlimited, nor is the video footage endless.

Still haven’t, after all this time, identified and arrested scaffold commander guy and fence cutter guy.

You literally have little to no insight as to what their priorities are, in terms of charging decisions and investigatory steps they've taken.

OTOH, how is that Durham investigation going ... after all the money and resources that have been wasted on that ?

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It’s not playing the race card if it is true.

Sure it is.

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RLENT

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The new guy is a real piece of work,

Pay attention:

The "new guy" to whom you refer isn't the new guy ... he's the old guy.

Try and keep up.

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especially when handing out his own version of "justice", which seems to be based on social justice. He is obviously anti-Trump, anti-Trump voter and anti-White, as the article points out toward the end. (Bold emphasis mine)

"... article ..."

You misspelled "propaganda piece"

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But oh yes ... poor whitey is so persecuted, oppressed, and downtrodden.

:tearsofjoy:

This is just another glaring example of the unequal treatment being given the Trump protesters of Jan 6th. They sit in the squalid conditions of a run-down DC jail after the rioters in Portland, Seattle and Minneapolis were slapped on their wrists and bailed out of jail by Democrat fundraising websites. Few, if any, were convicted and given significant jail time.

Yeah ... no:

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters

PolitiFact | Tucker Carlson film falsely claims Jan. 6 is ‘pretext to strip millions’ of ‘constitutional rights’

The issue has already come before the courts - Trump-appointed judges even - and it has received an appropriate reception, given the dubiousness of the claim.

One last thought: the Republicans are doing a really bad job of addressing this situation and doing something to insure these people get fair and equal treatment under the law. There's also the issue of their basic civil rights being denied, such as their right to a speedy trial. And as expected. we get crickets from the mainstream media.

Again: no ...

Abundance of Jan. 6 Evidence Collides With Suspects’ Right to Speedy Trials

Now, I'm sure the amount and character of the coverage the issue has gotten would not meet with approval of some ... since the media is not incessantly whining about what a travesty of justice it is, that those unAmerican pieces of crap haven't all been released immediately on their own recognizance.

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If the defendants in the January 6th cases wish to move things along and resolve their individual cases, they can always plead out.

They'll likely get a much better deal than if they proceed to trial.
 

muttly

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Pay attention:

The "new guy" to whom you refer isn't the new guy ... he's the old guy.

Try and keep up.

:tearsofjoy:



"... article ..."

You misspelled "propaganda piece"

:tearsofjoy:

But oh yes ... poor whitey is so persecuted, oppressed, and downtrodden.

:tearsofjoy:



Yeah ... no:

Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters

PolitiFact | Tucker Carlson film falsely claims Jan. 6 is ‘pretext to strip millions’ of ‘constitutional rights’

The issue has already come before the courts - Trump-appointed judges even - and it has received an appropriate reception, given the dubiousness of the claim.



Again: no ...

Abundance of Jan. 6 Evidence Collides With Suspects’ Right to Speedy Trials

Now, I'm sure the amount and character of the coverage the issue has gotten would not meet with approval of some ... since the media is not incessantly whining about what a travesty of justice it is, that those unAmerican pieces of crap haven't all been released immediately on their own recognizance.

:tearsofjoy:

If the defendants in the January 6th cases wish to move things along and resolve their individual cases, they can always plead out.

They'll likely get a much better deal than if they proceed to trial.
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Federal Judge Emmet Sullivan - twice appointed by Republican presidents - grants motion from the Feds to "Lock Him Up" for Jan 6th defendant
Ronald Colton McAbee - a former Tennesse sheriff's deputy (WTH ?) - as a danger to the general public, after a Tennessee Magistrate Federal Judge had initially released him from custody pending trial:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.234220/gov.uscourts.dcd.234220.166.0_2.pdf
Wait, what? Is that the same judge who tried to prosecute Flynn in his own case?
 

RLENT

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Wait, what? Is that the same judge who tried to prosecute Flynn in his own case?

No - it's the same judge who appointed a highly respected retired Federal Judge to determine whether the dismissal of charges against Flynn was warranted and in the best interests of the United States and justice.

That occurred after the former AG - who himself has had his own recent epiphany about Orange Man's actions on January 6th :tearsofjoy: - corruptly intervened in the case to drop the charges - where Flynn had already pled guilty and had a change of heart and wanted to change his plea, after the illustrious MAGA lawyer, Sidney Powell ( :tearsofjoy: ) - who has now disgraced herself thoroughly and is facing sanctions and potential disbarment - intervened on Trump's behalf and sought to communicate directly with the AG ... something which is both highly unusual and questionable ethically.

Ultimately that appointed judge had some thoughts about how the whole process had played out:

Appointed outside judge in Flynn case blasts Justice Department for 'gross abuse' of power

Which sounds about right for the DOJ under Trump and his toady Barr.

We don't know whether there were any threats conveyed by Sidney to the AG, or whether Barr just went along with it, in service of his own extremist political project.

What we do know however is that someone in the Trump/Barr DOJ altered FBI documents in furtherance of justifying the dismissal of charges.

When the matter of whether to allow Flynn to withdraw his plea was appealed, a three judge panel on the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled against Judge Sullivan, 2-1 ... despite the fact the matter was currently under consideration by a lower court - which hadn't yet ruled on the matter itself ... :eek:

Such an intervention is highly unusual, and was so noted by dissenting Judge Robert Wilkins:

"It is a great irony that, in finding the District Court to have exceeded its jurisdiction, this Court so grievously oversteps its own," Wilkins says. "This appears to be the first time that we have issued a writ of mandamus to compel a district court to rule in a particular manner on a motion without first giving the lower court a reasonable opportunity to issue its own ruling; the first time any court has held that a district court must grant “leave of court” ... without even holding a hearing on the merits of the motion; and the first time we have issued the writ even though the petitioner has an adequate alternative remedy, on the theory that another party would not have had an adequate alternate remedy if it had filed a petition as well. Any one of these is sufficient reason to exercise our discretion to deny the petition; together, they compel its rejection."

The two judges ruling against Judge Sullivan ?

Both Republicans, with Trump-appointed extremist judge/political hack Neomi Rao authoring the opinion for the majority. The second judge of that pair, Thomas Beall Griffith, has since retired (possibly to avoid further scrutiny for unethical conduct, like Trump's sister did) and Uncle Joe has appointed to him to the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States, where he'll hopefully be a good little boy and stay out of further trouble.

Following that ruling, Judge Sullivan requested a hearing of the matter before the full Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, en banc.

On rehearing, the full court ruled 8 to 2 against Flynn's and DOJ's request to dismiss:

Appeals court denies Michael Flynn and Justice Department's effort to end his case

They also refused to reassign the case to a judge other than Sullivan and upheld Sullivan’s appointment of a former judge to counter the Justice Department’s attempt to drop the case.

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At that point, Trump was left with no option but to (corruptly) pardon Flynn, to save his own bacon, which of course he did on November 25, 2020.

So far that ploy is holding up ... but it's hard to say how long that will last, given Flynn's involvement in the events of January 6th.

Thanks for the opportunity that allowed covering the factual history of the case (as opposed to some politically-motivated derp someone might post), and to point out the corrupt actions of the Trump DOJ and at least one of the judges he appointed.

:clapping-happy:

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No - it's the same judge who appointed a highly respected retired Federal Judge to determine whether the dismissal of charges against Flynn was warranted and in the best interests of the United States and justice.

That occurred after the former AG - who himself has had his own recent epiphany about Orange Man's actions on January 6th :tearsofjoy: - corruptly intervened in the case to drop the charges - where Flynn had already pled guilty and had a change of heart and wanted to change his plea, after the illustrious MAGA lawyer, Sidney Powell ( :tearsofjoy: ) - who has now disgraced herself thoroughly and is facing sanctions and potential disbarment - intervened on Trump's behalf and sought to communicate directly with the AG ... something which is both highly unusual and questionable ethically.

Ultimately that appointed judge had some thoughts about how the whole process had played out:

Appointed outside judge in Flynn case blasts Justice Department for 'gross abuse' of power

Which sounds about right for the DOJ under Trump and his toady Barr.

We don't know whether there were any threats conveyed by Sidney to the AG, or whether Barr just went along with it, in service of his own extremist political project.

What we do know however is that someone in the Trump/Barr DOJ altered FBI documents in furtherance of justifying the dismissal of charges.

When the matter of whether to allow Flynn to withdraw his plea was appealed, a three judge panel on the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled against Judge Sullivan, 2-1 ... despite the fact the matter was currently under consideration by a lower court - which hadn't yet ruled on the matter itself ... :eek:

Such an intervention is highly unusual, and was so noted by dissenting Judge Robert Wilkins:



The two judges ruling against Judge Sullivan ?

Both Republicans, with Trump-appointed extremist judge/political hack Neomi Rao authoring the opinion for the majority. The second judge of that pair, Thomas Beall Griffith, has since retired (possibly to avoid further scrutiny for unethical conduct, like Trump's sister did) and Uncle Joe has appointed to him to the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States, where he'll hopefully be a good little boy and stay out of further trouble.

Following that ruling, Judge Sullivan requested a hearing of the matter before the full Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, en banc.

On rehearing, the full court ruled 8 to 2 against Flynn's and DOJ's request to dismiss:

Appeals court denies Michael Flynn and Justice Department's effort to end his case

They also refused to reassign the case to a judge other than Sullivan and upheld Sullivan’s appointment of a former judge to counter the Justice Department’s attempt to drop the case.

:tearsofjoy:

At that point, Trump was left with no option but to (corruptly) pardon Flynn, to save his own bacon, which of course he did on November 25, 2020.

So far that ploy is holding up ... but it's hard to say how long that will last, given Flynn's involvement in the events of January 6th.

Thanks for the opportunity that allowed covering the factual history of the case (as opposed to some politically-motivated derp someone might post), and to point out the corrupt actions of the Trump DOJ and at least one of the judges he appointed.

:clapping-happy:

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Yeah, I thought so. A judge prosecuted his own case. He is supposed to be A JUDGE, NOT A PROSECUTOR. Lol.
But what if ( hypothetically speaking) a different judge refused to end a case that the prosecution and the defendant agreed they didn’t want to proceed with, but the Judge decided to prosecute that defendant himself. And this defendant happened to be a indigent minority. There would be protests and calls for his resignation and disbarment, and rightly so.
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Wow these people would :censoredsign: themselves if they had to deal with a cop from the late 1950s.....because there was no miranda rights back then nor any form of nice cop.cops back then could just beat you till you puked or shot you.....
 

RLENT

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Yeah, I thought so. A judge prosecuted his own case.

Nope.

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He is supposed to be A JUDGE, NOT A PROSECUTOR.

He was, and is, a judge ... and a well-respected one at that.

Meanwhile, Trump and Barr are left to suffer in the ignominy of utter disgrace ... along with Mike Flynn, who has been reduced to a QAnon whack-a-doodle.

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But what if ( hypothetically speaking) a different judge refused to end a case that the prosecution and the defendant agreed they didn’t want to proceed with, but the Judge decided to prosecute that defendant himself. And this defendant happened to be a indigent minority. There would be protests and calls for his resignation and disbarment, and rightly so.

But the prosecution didn't agree in this instance ... ultimately the prosecutor on the case withdrew ... rather than be a part of little Billy Barr's corrupt shenanigans ... remember ?:

Prosecutor of ex-Trump aide Michael Flynn withdraws from case amid controversy over documents

"... public release of new documents ... a handwritten note of unclear origin ..."

Same thing that happened with the entire prosecution team on Roger Stone's case ... remember ?

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Inaccurate ... because it wasn't a three-judge panel that agreed as a they report:

It was two judges on a three judge panel ... the other judge dissented.

But that's certainly a good example of how those in the media on the right tend to warp the actual facts to fit their (false) narratives though.

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If you're trying to make the point that Democratic-appointed judges remain faithful to, and uphold, the rule of law, you're doing an outstanding job.

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Nope.

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He was, and is, a judge ... and a well-respected one at that.

Meanwhile, Trump and Barr are left to suffer in the ignominy of utter disgrace ... along with Mike Flynn, who has been reduced to a QAnon whack-a-doodle.

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But the prosecution didn't agree in this instance ... ultimately the prosecutor on the case withdrew ... rather than be a part of little Billy Barr's corrupt shenanigans ... remember ?:

Prosecutor of ex-Trump aide Michael Flynn withdraws from case amid controversy over documents

"... public release of new documents ... a handwritten note of unclear origin ..."

Same thing that happened with the entire prosecution team on Roger Stone's case ... remember ?

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Inaccurate ... because it wasn't a three-judge panel that agreed as a they report:

It was two judges on a three judge panel ... the other judge dissented.

But that's certainly a good example of how those in the media on the right tend to warp the actual facts to fit their (false) narratives though.

:tearsofjoy:



If you're trying to make the point that Democratic-appointed judges remain faithful to, and uphold, the rule of law, you're doing an outstanding job.

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You forgot to mention a few little pesky facts: There was an internal investigation and they found exculpatory evidence about Flynn and malfeasance towards the FBI.
Busted.

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So what ?

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Seems like that one doesn't help you with any argument you're trying to make.

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I guess if the person was organizing a bricklayers house raising party there wouldn’t be an issue.
High rate of dismissal cases.
 
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