The Trump Card...

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Like I said. It’s a tag team between the prosecutors and the judges, for the most part.

What does that mean ?

That Judges and prosecutors aren't real keen on dimwitted miscreants resorting to rioting and domestic terrorism in an attack on the government, in an effort to subvert the peaceful transfer of power after an election ?

Yeah, probably not ... and there's probably more than a few citizens that are onboard with that idea too ...

This particular individual deserved jail time, but the amount is excessive.

No - he's at the low end of the federal sentencing guidelines for what he was charged with and pled to: 63 to 78 months.

If he hadn't been a bonehead and made a fundraising attempt on GiveSendGo where he attempted to minimize his own culpability and responsibility he would have qualified for a recommendation of 46 to 57 months.

IOW, he screwed the pooch himself.

Assaulting officers with a flag pole can be dangerous.

Oh you think ?

Spraying a fire extinguisher at them, not so much. But he also hurled the empty canister at them while they were protected by their gear so some jail time is warranted, but over 5 years is ludicrous.

Seems like you think violently assaulting a federal officer is no big deal.

Curious how much jail time the rioter insurrectionists got from last summer that had them chuck chunks of concrete and other dangerous items at officers at St. John’s church? That’s just a dangerous right?

Chucking chunks of concrete at anyone most definitely is if they're larger than a pebble.

But no jail time. I wonder why, hmmm.

Could be all sorts of reasons.

But nonetheless that's some good whataboutism ya got there ...

 

[muttly]

By the way, just in case you had forgotten:

After seeing the other stupid witch hunts, they must have concluded that it is pointless to engage in dialogue with such corrupt clowns like Shifty and the others.

 

[danthewolf00]

President Trump did offer 10k national guard troops for safety at the Capitol building and around the area but Pelosi refused.....I wonder why....oh yea the fake insurrection.

 

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After seeing the other stupid witch hunts, they must have concluded that it is pointless to engage in dialogue with such corrupt clowns like Shifty and the others.

Then the Committee should consider granting him use immunity - then he will have no choice but to testify ... but could face charges for perjury ... if he testifies untruthfully.

Sometimes you have to sacrifice a Pawn to get the King.

 

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S

Neither were of those hoaxes.

Yes they were.

 

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President Trump did offer 10k national guard troops for safety at the Capitol building and around the area but Pelosi refused.....I wonder why....oh yea the fake insurrection.

Pesky facts.

 

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Neither were of those hoaxes.





Sure.





Might not be so good for them ... as the guy currently occupying the Oval probably isn't as inclined to issue pardons to cover his own butt like the last guy was.





No, it was a good shoot.

Investigated by two different agencies.

And he's probably suffering enough, having had to make a judgement call where he was forced to take a human life lest he fail in his duty.



Are you sure you want to go there ?

After all, Mikey Flynn's sibling (along with others) is implicated in that.





That's already been investigated, on an individual basis ... although it may well warrant a further look.

Right now, I think it probably better though that they focus up the food chain to those at the top that were inciting.

Doubtful if those officers can assist in that regard.



Wouldn't be up to the Committee to do that, it's outside their lane.

But - and this is fairly important - did Epps go inside the Capitol Building ?

From the photos I've seen, he's outside.

Keep in mind: there have been over 700 insurrectionists charged so far ... and Sedition Hunters has posted over 2200 photos of unique individuals who entered the Capitol, many of whom have not been identified. FBI/DOJ is plenty busy.

But I'm fairly sure if Mr. Epps did anything on January 6th to warrant being arrested or charged they'll get to him.

Why would it be important if Epps went inside? They are arresting people that were standing on the outside too. But a couple important points about Epps. He was seen on video Jan 5 encouraging people to go into the Capitol. And the following day was filmed with some people that were the first ones to breach the barriers on the outside. Mr Epps was also on the FBI photo list early on until the Revolver article mentioned him. The next day he was quickly removed from the list. Hasn’t been arrested or charged.
Very curious indeed what connections he has. Many are realizing that they are being fed a false narrative about the protest.

 

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Then the Committee should consider granting him use immunity - then he will have no choice but to testify ... but could face charges for perjury ... if he testifies untruthfully.

Sometimes you have to sacrifice a Pawn to get the King.

A huge nothingburger. Nobody cares about this phony “investigation”. It shows how out of touch the Dems are. They’re possibly going to lose a 100 seats yet they forge on with something that people don’t think is important.
Can’t fix stupid.

 

[muttly]

What does that mean ?

That Judges and prosecutors aren't real keen on dimwitted miscreants resorting to rioting and domestic terrorism in an attack on the government, in an effort to subvert the peaceful transfer of power after an election ?

Yeah, probably not ... and there's probably more than a few citizens that are onboard with that idea too ...





No - he's at the low end of the federal sentencing guidelines for what he was charged with and pled to: 63 to 78 months.

If he hadn't been a bonehead and made a fundraising attempt on GiveSendGo where he attempted to minimize his own culpability and responsibility he would have qualified for a recommendation of 46 to 57 months.

IOW, he screwed the pooch himself.



Oh you think ?





Seems like you think violently assaulting a federal officer is no big deal.



Chucking chunks of concrete at anyone most definitely is if they're larger than a pebble.



Could be all sorts of reasons.

But nonetheless that's some good whataboutism ya got there ...

Whataboutisms illuminate double standards. A protester that throws a fire extinguisher at an officer and a protester that throws a chunk of concrete at an officer, both may do similar damage.
One protester gets 61 months while the other protester gets 0 jail time. Different standard of justice. I thought the Left used to be concerned about that. Apparently not.

 

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Yes they were.

Nope - read the Mueller report.

 

[muttly]

Nope - read the Mueller report.

Did Mueller write it? No.
It was Biden’s campaign manager.

 

[danthewolf00]

The Mueller sham report was a total witch hunt so the Democrats could try to impeach trump.
Impeached twice and acquitted twice.....

 

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Why would it be important if Epps went inside?

Because that was most certainly a restricted area at the time, and it was where the threat of violence to elected officials was most serious.

Someone that actually entered the Capitol one could say might be more predisposed to commit violence against elected officials than someone who remained outside.

They are arresting people that were standing on the outside too.

What's the ratio currently on that vs. people who went inside ?

Any idea ?

Are those outside that have been arrested AFO or AOM ? (Attack On Federal Officer/Attack On Media)

But a couple important points about Epps.

Important to who ?

He was seen on video Jan 5 encouraging people to go into the Capitol.

So what ?

And the following day was filmed with some people that were the first ones to breach the barriers on the outside.

So what ?

Mr Epps was also on the FBI photo list early on until the Revolver article mentioned him.

Revolver ?

That's a hoot !

The next day he was quickly removed from the list.

Apparently he was removed, whether it was "quickly" or not is up for debate.

The FBI photo list was for "seeking information" (not a "Most Wanted" List ... like Revolver erroneously report) and was referenced in a tweet FBI WFO made on January 8th, ostensibly seeking to identify those involved at events at the Capitol on January 6th.

Perhaps he was identified between the time that tweet was originally posted and when his photo was removed.

Hasn’t been arrested or charged.

So what ?

Lots of people have not been arrested or charged in connection with January 6th.

Yet.

There have been over 2200 different individuals who photographed inside.

Very curious indeed what connections he has.

Well, one of the connections he has to OK's apparently.

Many are realizing that they are being fed a false narrative about the protest.

Yeah ... you see it in the pleas of those who are pleading out guilty - like Robert Scott Palmer:

... In a letter to Chutkan ahead of his sentencing, Palmer claimed that he recognized that “Trump supporters were lied to” by former President Trump and those acting on his behalf.

“They kept spitting out the false narrative about a stolen election and how it was ‘our duty’ to stand up to tyranny,” Palmer wrote. “Little did I realize that they were the tyrannical ones desperate to hold on to power at any cost even by creating the chaos they knew would happen with such rhetoric.”
In court on Friday, Palmer told Chutkan he was “really, really ashamed of what I did” and that he would “never, ever, ever” go to a political rally again. While behind bars, he said, he used an educational electronic pad to watch a clip of himself on Rachel Maddow’s MSNBC show that showed him attacking cops, and told Chutkan he “was horrified” by the video.

Trump playing the rubes for suckers ... who could have possibly seen that coming ?



And now that they are facing serious consequences, where is Ol' Donaldo ?

Not anywhere to be found in defending the actions that he inspired that others are now having to pay the consequences for.

#sad

 

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A huge nothingburger. Nobody cares about this phony “investigation”.

Well, we certainly know that's not true.

It shows how out of touch the Dems are.

Uh-huh ...

They’re possibly going to lose a 100 seats yet they forge on with something that people don’t think is important.

Looks like you misspelled "Trumper" there ...



How's that Arizona audit working out for you these days ?

I've been keeping an eye on it ... kinds seems like it's dead in the water ...

Even the Pillow Guy seems kind of dejected lately.

Probably good that he continues to throw away more of his fortune tilting at windmills though.

Can’t fix stupid.

That's a sentiment I can agree with ...

 

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Did Mueller write it? No.

So what ?

It was Biden’s campaign manager.

No.

 

[RLENT]

Whataboutisms illuminate double standards.

No ... they're just a way to rationalize, often in service of a political agenda.

A protester that throws a fire extinguisher at an officer and a protester that throws a chunk of concrete at an officer, both may do similar damage.

That's true ... in isolation, absent any further context.

One protester gets 61 months while the other protester gets 0 jail time.

What was the name of protester that threw the chunk of concrete at an officer that got 0 jail time ?

Was the officer hit ? ... injured ?

Did anyone arrest them at the scene ?

If not, were they able to be identified and apprehended later ?

Different standard of justice. I thought the Left used to be concerned about that. Apparently not.

I can't answer for "The Left" and what they are or aren't concerned about.

 

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So what ?





No.

Well, it Does have his name on it, even though he doesn’t even know what is in the report. It was written by Biden’s campaign manager and the other angry democrats on Weisman’s team.

Yes, campaign manager of fundraising for the Biden campaign, until he was let go by them when people began to notice.
Busted.

 

[muttly]

No ... they're just a way to rationalize, often in service of a political agenda.



That's true ... in isolation, absent any further context.



What was the name of protester that threw the chunk of concrete at an officer that got 0 jail time ?

Was the officer hit ? ... injured ?

Did anyone arrest them at the scene ?

If not, were they able to be identified and apprehended later ?



I can't answer for "The Left" and what they are or aren't concerned about.

I’m not arguing that the guy should receive 0 prison time for what he did. That would be rationalizing.
He assaulted an officer, whether it was provoked or not. I’m bringing up the two separate cases because one is an overly excessive sentence and compared to the other case is off the charts ridiculously unbalanced.
As for the St Johns church riots, yes, there were many security personnel that were injured, some severely.
It’s possible that some arrests were made but haven’t seen any reporting of any sentence that involved prison time for chucking bricks, Molotov cocktails, bottles and other items at officers.

 

[RLENT]

Well, it Does have his name on it,

As it should, given that he oversaw the team that conducted the investigation and contributed to the final report.

even though he doesn’t even know what is in the report.

It's a pretty large report (448 pages) ... I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that Mueller has a decent handle on the overall "big picture" contained within it, even if he couldn't recite some of the minutiae right off the top of his head while testifying.

It was written by Biden’s campaign manager and the other angry democrats on Weisman’s team.

Errr ... no.

The report was written by a number of individuals, including Weismann.

In fact, there is another "alternative" report that Weissman had a hand in seeing getting written up - to make sure EVERYTHING was documented - that was never released.

Don't know whether that will contain any new "bombshell" revelations, but it should make some interesting reading. It probably won't be all that flattering to Donny.

Thanks to a FOIA filed by the NYT, you can expect to have that available perhaps as early as late January '22:

The public could soon see an ‘alternative’ version of the Mueller report that’s been kept under wraps, new court filing says

Yes, campaign manager of fundraising for the Biden campaign, until he was let go by them when people began to notice.

No, wrong again.

Busted.

Your first mistake is listening to Federalist's Mollie ...



The fact is Weismann was, at one time, scheduled to host/headline a "virtual fundraiser" for Biden - he was never a "campaign manager".

Here's the whole article (which for some reason you didn't link, perhaps because it directly contradicts a number of your previous assertions ?):

Former Top Mueller Lieutenant Will Do ‘Fireside Chat’ to Raise Money for Joe Biden’s Campaign

Now one can debate the optics of that and whether it was wise or not ... but the fact remains:

Andrew Weismann was a private citizen and no longer employed by the Department of Justice at the time.

Perhaps you feel that individuals who were once in government service give up their 1st Amendment rights and shouldn't be allowed to campaign and raise money for candidates of their choosing.

If that is the case maybe you should tell the Orange Guy - you know: the Sore Loser - to shut his pie hole and keep his thoughts to himself.

 

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I’m not arguing that the guy should receive 0 prison time for what he did. That would be rationalizing.

You seem to think that rationalizing is some sort of all-in, 100%-extremes-only kind of thing.

It isn't.

He assaulted an officer, whether it was provoked or not. I’m bringing up the two separate cases because one is an overly excessive sentence and compared to the other case is off the charts ridiculously unbalanced.

There is no "other case" ... and that's the problem.

You want someone to be charged for violent actions they allegedly undertook during rioting - I get that ... yet you (or law enforcement apparently) can't identify or name who these morons were.

How is that supposed to work exactly ?

If you can't apprehend or identify it's kind of hard to charge or arrest.

As for the St Johns church riots, yes, there were many security personnel that were injured, some severely.

Ok.

It’s possible that some arrests were made but haven’t seen any reporting of any sentence that involved prison time for chucking bricks, Molotov cocktails, bottles and other items at officers.

Well, you'd think Faux News would be all over it.

If there weren't any arrests made the best one can say is that Ol' Donaldo failed to get it done ... which doesn't say much about his competence in supervising those under his command, or his picks as to who he put in charge.