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RLENT

RLENT

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ATeam said:
At the moment, Trump has 94 hours remaining in office. He has been uncharacteristically quiet in the last few days. What do you think he is doing? What do you think he will do between now and noon Jan 20?
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Hard to say really.

But as Turtle noted, he's probably - at least to some degree - preoccupied with thoughts of revenge against those he believes have wronged him.

But I would say even more than that, he's pretty much wallowing in self-pity ... contemplating all the bad that has befallen him, and how it is just so unfair, etc.
 
muttly

muttly

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Retired Expediter
RLENT said:
While others watched the President refuse to be interviewed on the Russia matter and give his evidence to Mueller and his team.

FWIW, I don't think the full, complete history of the Russia matter has been totally writ quite yet ... there will be more that comes out. But what has come out already is plenty damning itself.



Leaks happen in every administration. Might be saying' a little something though when they are coming from folks with the same party affiliation.



You see the charges as flimsy, others see them as quite valid - and not at all, all-encompassing.

BTW - that second time was bipartisan ... :tonguewink:



And yet were largely silent and totally fine for 8 years while Mitch and his cohorts obstructed the black guy.

What ... 35 investigations or something like that on ... BENGHAZI !!!

Well, the Capitol attack just exceeded that (on American soil no less) ... and the COVID-19 bungle has cost us almost 400K American lives - which is like 6x - 8x all the lives lost in 'Nam ... and 100x on we lost on 9/11 ...

And we still ain't done.

But hey ... some people got a tax cut ... that will expire in a couple years.

And judges ...
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Turned over thousands of documents in the Mueller witchunt. Allowed his counsel to be interviewed for 30 hours and gave others permission to be interviewed. Yes, yes. The complete story hasn't come out yet. I've heard this a lot: Bombshell info about collusion coming soon and the real story will be told
tick tick tick. Poof.

The Covid bungle where he listened to his "experts" that weren't very expertly such as the gruffy voiced popular one who 1. Once said the virus isn't something to be concerned with. Said masks don't work and then said they do. He was against the travel ban. The one thing Trump didn't listen to him about.
Anyway, The Fauc must have done a swell job with the Pandemic because the incoming adminstration wants him to continue with his brilliant work.
Yes the toll is large. Now do the state's culpability in this.
Nursing home fiasco. China and WHO lies.
Don't forget the vaccine. It's here. Approximately 4 years early.
Thank Trump.
 
ATeam

ATeam

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Retired Expediter
Turtle said:
Plotting his revenge against Jack Dorsey.
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I'm a little surprised Trump did not have a Plan B in place to respond to the Twitter and other Big Tech bans. I thought he would be back online by now, one way or another. It's not like this ban was not a risk to prepare for. In business, SWOT analyses are common (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats). The threat of a social media ban would be on the list of most political advisors if not Trump himself. It is truly strange that Trump did not seem to see the ban coming or seem to be prepared for it.

I don't tune into Fox News as a matter of course, but even a casual viewer like me heard the frequent howls from people there about unfair treatment from Big Tech. It was not hard to see this ban coming. Granted, the insurrection was a triggering event that prompted Big Tech to move in near unison. But even so, it seems really strange Trump did not have a Plan B.
 
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ATeam

ATeam

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RLENT said:
Hard to say really. But as Turtle noted, he's probably - at least to some degree - preoccupied with thoughts of revenge against those he believes have wronged him. But I would say even more than that, he's pretty much wallowing in self-pity ... contemplating all the bad that has befallen him, and how it is just so unfair, etc.
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As you said, it's hard to say. Anything we say or think about Trump's mindset is pure speculation. That said, the notion that Trump is plotting revenge and wallowing in self-pity resonates with me. I am worried that he is contemplating a mass-amnesty pardon for all Jan 6 insurrectionists. I believe the insurrectionists should be brought to justice for their crimes. They launched an attack on the Capitol to stop the peaceful transition of power from one rightfully elected president to another. That can't go unanswered. Yet it is within Trump's power to pardon those people for those crimes. This voter hopes Trump does not do that.

Again, pure speculation in the absence of data, but I'm also thinking Trump may be deeply preoccupied with the legal and business challenges he will face immediately upon becoming the former President of the U.S. At that moment, he loses the immunity from prosecution the Justice Department memo gives a sitting president. At that moment, he loses the ability to use the powers of the presidency to thwart or delay prosecutors who have Trump in view. At that moment, he loses the ability to keep the Treasury Department from turning his tax returns over to Congress.

Business-wise, COVID-19 has devastated the hospitality industry, in which Trump has a big stake. Additionally, the Trump brand has suffered more than it has benefited from Trump being president.
 
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muttly

muttly

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ATeam said:
I would call it the defense of government continuity and the defense of democracy. And also the defense of human life as a mob is now prevented from killing Capitol Police, injuring officers, hanging Mike Pence and storming legislative chambers with the intent to kill.

But you are right about the duration of the deployment. Fairly soon, the fences will come down and the National Guard troops will return to their armories and civilian work. At present, they seem to be having their desired effect. At least so far. I've been watching the news for reports of MAGA assemblies, protests, groups in motion, etc. So far, nothing.

When confronted with the forces now on duty and the negative press the militant MAGA people are now receiving (and the arrests and continuing investigations of them and their peers), they may be doing the wise thing and laying low. Looking ahead, I'm remembering the 1960's; a time when we saw militant organizations operating on the down-low. In those days, we saw numerous bombings on soft targets, made by the radicals who supported various causes. We could well be entering a phase of similar disorder now.

While the militants of that day made a lot of news, killed a number of people and damaged some property, American government and democracy continued on. While sporadic terrorist acts went on, people still went to work, school, church and Disney Land. They still bought new cars and took vacations. Those seething with hate did their dastardly deeds while government continued to function and the majority lived normal lives.
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There were about 30, 000 people at that rally. A large amount probably went to see Trump speak and as a show of protest and had no intention of storming the capitol. Just there to show solidarity.You know like many times before: March on Washington.etc like other groups have done like forever. Of those 30,000. You had some people who clearly broke the law and were unruly. They obviously should be dealt with harshly in the legal system.
Especially the ones that assaulted anyone and caused damage to property. Some at least that did this weren't Trump supporters and were pre planning this according to reports. Just offering perspective as more facts come out in the investigation.
 
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RLENT

RLENT

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muttly said:
Turned over thousands of documents in the Mueller witchunt. Allowed his counsel to be interviewed for 30 hours and gave others permission to be interviewed. Yes, yes. The complete story hasn't come out yet. I've heard this a lot: Bombshell info about collusion coming soon and the real story will be told
tick tick tick. Poof.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1350456363168616455

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1350481914176565248

muttly said:
The Covid bungle where he listened to his "experts" that weren't very expertly such as the gruffy voiced popular one who 1. Once said the virus isn't something to be concerned with. Said masks don't work and then said they do. He was against the travel ban. The one thing Trump didn't listen to him about.
Anyway, The Fauc must have done a swell job with the Pandemic because the incoming adminstration wants him to continue with his brilliant work.
Yes the toll is large. Now do the state's culpability in this.
Nursing home fiasco. China and WHO lies.
Don't forget the vaccine. It's here. Approximately 4 years early.
Thank Trump.
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So pretty much ... #OrangeManGoodDivineAndHolyAllOthersBad then ?

:tearsofjoy:
 
RLENT

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
ATeam said:
I'm a little surprised Trump did not have a Plan B in place to respond to the Twitter and other Big Tech bans. I thought he would be back online by now, one way or another. It's not like this ban was not a risk to prepare for. In business, SWOT analyses are common (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats). The threat of a social media ban would be on the list of most political advisors if not Trump himself. It is truly strange that Trump did not seem to see the ban coming or seem to be prepared for it.

I don't tune into Fox News as a matter of course, but even a casual viewer like me heard the frequent howls from people there about unfair treatment from Big Tech. It was not hard to see this ban coming. Granted, the insurrection was a triggering event that prompted Big Tech to move in near unison. But even so, it seems really strange Trump did not have a Plan B.
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You're according him way too much credit as some sort of Machiavellian genius.

He isn't.

There is no 24-dimensional chess being played.

Having said that, don't discount he won't try to pull some crap before he's out the door.

As far as advisors go, the close ones comprise a not insignificant number of outright whackjobs, incompetents, and political grifters (COS "Flapjack" Meadows ... who should go back to overseeing his Pancake House or Subway or whatever it was)
 
RLENT

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
ATeam said:
As you said, it's hard to say. Anything we say or think about Trump's mindset is pure speculation. That said, the notion that Trump is plotting revenge and wallowing in self-pity resonates with me.
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For those that can see the man clearly, it surely will.

ATeam said:
I am worried that he is contemplating a mass-amnesty pardon for all Jan 6 insurrectionists. I believe the insurrectionists should be brought to justice for their crimes. They launched an attack on the Capitol to stop the peaceful transition of power from one rightfully elected president to another. That can't go unanswered. Yet it is within Trump's power to pardon those people for those crimes. This voter hopes Trump does not do that.
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That would raise a lot of issues as to whether any such pardons were actually valid ... or yet another attempt at obstructing justice.

Muttly asked where was the evidence that Trump incited an insurrection.

Well, it's starting to emerge ... as the insurrectionists began to claim that "It was the President what told me to do it" ...

That's certainly self-serving to be sure ... but deserves consideration nonetheless.

ATeam said:
Again, pure speculation in the absence of data, but I'm also thinking Trump may be deeply preoccupied with the legal and business challenges he will face immediately upon becoming the former President of the U.S. At that moment, he loses the immunity from prosecution the Justice Department memo gives a sitting president. At that moment, he loses the ability to use the powers of the presidency to thwart or delay prosecutors who have Trump in view. At that moment, he loses the ability to keep the Treasury Department from turning his tax returns over to Congress.

Business-wise, COVID-19 has devastated the hospitality industry, in which Trump has a big stake. Additionally, the Trump brand has suffered more than it has benefited from Trump being president.
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Correct.

Another thing he may be strongly focused on is document destruction ... to eliminate a trail of evidence.
 
ATeam

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
RLENT said:
You're according him way too much credit as some sort of Machiavellian genius.
He isn't.
There is no 24-dimensional chess being played.
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Perhaps not a Machiavellian genius. Perhaps no 24-dimensional chess. But the man is brilliant is some ways at least He sensed and exploited frustrations in the population that establishment Republicans and Democrats missed. With that sense and his willingness to fire people up and pit them against each other, and his willingness to shatter previous norms, he got elected. In business he managed to wiggle through one business failure after another, sticking others with the bill while he walked off with the money. He is very good at certain games.
 
RLENT

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
ATeam said:
Perhaps not a Machiavellian genius. Perhaps no 24-dimensional chess. But the man is brilliant is some ways at least He sensed and exploited frustrations in the population that establishment Republicans and Democrats missed. With that sense and his willingness to fire people up and pit them against each other, and his willingness to shatter previous norms, he got elected. In business he managed to wiggle through one business failure after another, sticking others with the bill while he walked off with the money. He is very good at certain games.
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I don't know that I would call it brilliant (more like sociopathic actually) but as you say: he was "good" at it.

But all good things come to an end eventually.
 
muttly

muttly

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Retired Expediter
RLENT said:
For those that can see the man clearly, it surely will.



That would raise a lot of issues as to whether any such pardons were actually valid ... or yet another attempt at obstructing justice.

Muttly asked where was the evidence that Trump incited an insurrection.

Well, it's starting to emerge ... as the insurrectionists began to claim that "It was the President what told me to do it" ...

That's certainly self-serving to be sure ... but deserves consideration nonetheless.



Correct.

Another thing he may be strongly focused on is document destruction ... to eliminate a trail of evidence.
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Told them to go to the rally. Lol
 
RLENT

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
muttly said:
There were about 30, 000 people at that rally. A large amount probably went to see Trump speak and as a show of protest and had no intention of storming the capitol. Just there to show solidarity.You know like many times before: March on Washington.etc like other groups have done like forever. Of those 30,000. You had some people who clearly broke the law and were unruly.
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Unruly ?

That mob murdered one Capitol Hill police officer.

Another one ate a bullet from his own gun as a consequence of what happened.

A fairly large number who were part of the mob were chanting for the Vice-President to be hung.

You have "Trump supporters" who have confessed to wanting to assassinate elected government officials on live TV.

muttly said:
They obviously should be dealt with harshly in the legal system.
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So you're officially on record as no pardons then ?

Good to hear.

muttly said:
Especially the ones that assaulted anyone and caused damage to property. Some at least that did this weren't Trump supporters and were pre planning this according to reports. Just offering perspective as more facts come out in the investigation.
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Yeah ... ok.

:tearsofjoy:
 
muttly

muttly

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
RLENT said:
Unruly ?

That mob murdered one Capitol Hill police officer.

Another one ate a bullet from his own gun as a consequence of what happened.

A fairly large number who were part of the mob were chanting for the Vice-President to be hung.

You have "Trump supporters" who have confessed to wanting to assassinate elected government officials on live TV.



So you're officially on record as no pardons then ?

Good to hear.



Yeah ... ok.

:tearsofjoy:
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Unruly: impossible to control. Are you saying that's not accurate?
 
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