The Tea Party Strikes Again.

[davekc]

Sometimes honesty is the best approach. I have no clue how Fox stacks up in a journalism sense, but they do generally look better at reporting the news. They will always do better than the other networks as long as they keep the glass desks.
No need to complicate the simple. They are all reporting the same news, although NBC does have a habit of forgetting things if they make Obama look bad.

 

[muttly]

Man, you are really heavily invested, aren't you? You actually believe that Fox News is "Real Journalism" and that they're "Fair and Balanced." And you think the entire lib world is out to get 'em. You are so invested that you think not only is everyone on that list a lib, but they're on the list because they are liberal. I'm sure you think Bob Schieffer is a member of the mainstream media with a default liberal agenda, therefore ergo thus he is a liberal, a flaming one, a certified wacko leftist neo communist. And you'll dismiss that he graduated from Texas Christian University and is close friends with the Bush family, compared Harry Reid to Joseph McCarthy and often critizes Obama and his campaign. He works for CBS and that's all that matters, right? Schieffer is actually an old school journalist who's goals in his reporting are impartiality, not at all like the current crop journalist-activists weaned on Fox News and MSNBC.

Like I said, if you want to say that you like Fox News because they agree with you, that's fine, but please don't try and convince people that Fox News provides anything remotely akin to journalistic excellence, because they don't.

Michelle Malkin | » The bias of Bob Schieffer: Top 7 moments

 

[Turtle]

NBC forgets things that make Obama look bad, Fox News makes up stuff that makes him look bad. Two sides of the same coin.

There are two key things you need to see how a news organization stacks up in a journalistic sense. One is a basic knowledge of journalism. By that I don't mean watching the news and reading Blogs and thinking you know what journalism is. I mean studying it, knowing the nuts and bolts of it, learning how it is crafted. The more you know about journalism and how it's supposed to be done, the easier you can see through what gets presented as journalism these days. The second key, and it's the most important one, is the willingness to look for and see it where it exists without regard to whether or not you agree with the messages being conveyed. If you don't have a knowledge of journalism you can still see it, and if you can't, then the best approach is to not take anything at face value simply because you agree with it, but take everything with skepticism.

If you can do that, then you can sit back and watch Fox News the way it was designed to be watched - with the sound off and in High Definition.

Incidentally, for those who love the numbers, once again the annual PPP Poll shows that Fox News is the most trusted news source, and it's also the least trust news source. Fox News reports the first, and conveniently omits the latter. The mere fact that an overwhelming majority of Republicans think Fox News is the most trusted, and an overwhelming majority of Democrats think Fox News is the least trusted, should scream at you that it's biased partisan news and shouldn't be trusted at all.

 

[Turtle]

Michelle Malkin | » The bias of Bob Schieffer: Top 7 moments

Malkin? Really? It's a good thing you don't live in Florida, or you and half the state would be well under water having dug that deep.

 

[muttly]

I actually don't think Schieffer's bias is as bad as some of the others, however it is still there. You did cherry pick him only and didn't mention the other 30 something winners on the list.
Bob Schieffer | NewsBusters

 

[muttly]

NBC forgets things that make Obama look bad, Fox News makes up stuff that makes him look bad. Two sides of the same coin.

There are two key things you need to see how a news organization stacks up in a journalistic sense. One is a basic knowledge of journalism. By that I don't mean watching the news and reading Blogs and thinking you know what journalism is. I mean studying it, knowing the nuts and bolts of it, learning how it is crafted. The more you know about journalism and how it's supposed to be done, the easier you can see through what gets presented as journalism these days. The second key, and it's the most important one, is the willingness to look for and see it where it exists without regard to whether or not you agree with the messages being conveyed. If you don't have a knowledge of journalism you can still see it, and if you can't, then the best approach is to not take anything at face value simply because you agree with it, but take everything with skepticism.

If you can do that, then you can sit back and watch Fox News the way it was designed to be watched - with the sound off and in High Definition.

Incidentally, for those who love the numbers, once again the annual PPP Poll shows that Fox News is the most trusted news source, and it's also the least trust news source. Fox News reports the first, and conveniently omits the latter. The mere fact that an overwhelming majority of Republicans think Fox News is the most trusted, and an overwhelming majority of Democrats think Fox News is the least trusted, should scream at you that it's biased partisan news and shouldn't be trusted at all.

I don't just watch Fox News. I watch NBC Dateline ,48 Hours and sometimes 60 minutes,but no HD. Enjoy the programs
You seem heavily invested in slamming Fox News. Again, my whole point is that Liberal News Networks , journalists, left leaning magazines receive practically all of the awards. The reason why is libs voting for libs. It's not complicated.

 

[Turtle]

I actually don't think Schieffer's bias is as bad as some of the others, however it is still there. You did cherry pick him only and didn't mention the other 30 something winners on the list.
Bob Schieffer | NewsBusters

I didn't cherry pick, I simply picked the most recent winner of the award.

 

[Humble2drive]

Sometimes honesty is the best approach.

Just " Sometimes "? That is a big part of the problem.

I have no clue how Fox stacks up in a journalism sense, but they do generally look better at reporting the news.

Absolutely! Perfectly groomed blond hair, blue eyes, a nice tan, precise make-up and legs that look great in a short skirt "generally look better"

They will always do better than the other networks as long as they keep the glass desks.

Better at what?

No need to complicate the simple. They are all reporting the same news . . .

Your thinking is too simple. They are not all reporting the same news. Fox is known to report "news stories" that no other media outlet even mentioned. Do you ever find that to be questionable?

 

[Humble2drive]

Again, my whole point is that Liberal News Networks , journalists, left leaning magazines receive practically all of the awards. The reason why is libs voting for libs. It's not complicated.

“One of the biggest problems with the world today is that we have large groups of people who will accept whatever they hear on the grapevine, just because it suits their worldview—not because it is actually true or because they have evidence to support it. The really striking thing is that it would not take much effort to establish validity in most of these cases… but people prefer reassurance to research.”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson

It just seems relevant at this point.

 

[Turtle]

You seem heavily invested in slamming Fox News.

That's a fair comment, and it's relatively accurate. But it's not that I'm heavily invested in slamming Fox News, per se, rather it's that I'm heavily invested in slamming hypocrisy. Fox News just happens to be one of the more blatantly hypocritical that opens itself up to slamming. I don't think I have to mention their slogan again, do I?

Again, my whole point is that Liberal News Networks , journalists, left leaning magazines receive practically all of the awards.

That is correct. And if you'd have stopped there you'd have been fine. it's where you offer up "the reason why" that gets you into trouble, because your reason is knee jerk and incorrect. Most publications, news outlets and journalists are liberals. That's not even up for debate. But, like I stated earlier, journalism by its very nature is a liberal thing, it's inherently liberal. Conventional, fact-based reporting is a liberal activity, just as teaching, academic research, social work, public defense, and public broadcasting are liberal activities. That doesn't mean that it's necessarily politically liberal, although conversely, conservatives are mostly against the above listed items. Conservatism by its nature doesn't necessarily want to let all of the facts get out there in the wild, they want to control them, just like they want to control academic research, social work, public defense and public broadcasting. Conservatism by definition is to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change. Conservatives don't like change, new ideas, or facts that support either.

The reason why is libs voting for libs. It's not complicated.

So now we're back to the reason of why. It's not nearly as simplistic as you want it to be or think it is. Even with the evil liberal journalists, they at least make a conscience effort to present the news objectively. Journalism that meets that standard for excellence gets the awards. Liberal media is liberal by nature, but they still strive for objective reporting, whereas conservative media is conservative not by nature but by design, and they make no effort whatsoever at objectivity. They have an agenda to push, and objectivity stands directly in the way of that path. That's why conservative journalism doesn't win any awards for excellence in journalism.

Here's an article that is a pretty scathing smack at the liberal bias in the media. You will not ever see a similar article on Fox News or any other conservative outlet with similar remarks about themselves. You should enjoy the article, especially if you read all of it. It should at the very least educate you on what excellence in journalism is all about, and it should allow you to discover why conservative ideology doesn't mix very well with an objective relaying of the facts. The article is from the Columbia Journalism Review, a trade publication for professional journalists published bimonthly by the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. It contains news and media industry trends, analysis, professional ethics and stories behind news.

Journalism Should Own Its Liberalism : And then manage it, challenge it, and account for it - Columbia Journalism Review

 

[muttly]

It just seems relevant at this point.

Absolutely irrelevant.

 

[muttly]

Just " Sometimes "? That is a big part of the problem.



Absolutely! Perfectly groomed blond hair, blue eyes, a nice tan, precise make-up and legs that look great in a short skirt "generally look better"



Better at what?



Your thinking is too simple. They are not all reporting the same news. Fox is known to report "news stories" that no other media outlet even mentioned. Do you ever find that to be questionable?

No, it's not questionable. Considering the rest of Network News doesn't always do their job.
Sharyl Attkisson: When I'd Begin Getting Under Surface of an Obama Scandal, CBS Would Pull Me Off | Truth Revolt

 

[muttly]

Check out Mother Jones magazine's political articles. You know,the winner of 6 'prestigious ' awards and many more nominations. Roughly a 10 to 1 ratio regarding their political leaning. Fair and Balanced, yeah right.
Politics and Current Affairs | Mother Jones

 

[LDB]

Fox is known to report "news stories" that no other media outlet even mentioned. Do you ever find that to be questionable?

That is definitely questionable. Why is it no other outlet is reporting stories they should be, or at best barely touching on them before sweeping them under the carpet?

 

[RLENT]

LOL ... really, really heavily invested ...

 

[davekc]

Just " Sometimes "? That is a big part of the problem.



Absolutely! Perfectly groomed blond hair, blue eyes, a nice tan, precise make-up and legs that look great in a short skirt "generally look better"



Better at what?



Your thinking is too simple. They are not all reporting the same news. Fox is known to report "news stories" that no other media outlet even mentioned. Do you ever find that to be questionable?

As far as what they are "better at"? I would say ratings when compared to other cable news. That doesn't mean their reporting is better but the delivery appears to be. Just my opinion of course, but I do like them. Like anything, if they are reporting on something that isn't mentioned elsewhere, then of course one has to consider the source. Fox is slanted and I have never said they weren't. For example, they were pounding the Benghazi mess for several weeks prior to the networks picking it up. Just an example, but the networks did pick up on it eventually.
But that aside, if I am interested in something specific without the slant or commentary, I typically will slide over to CSpan and then form a opinion. So yes, I am pretty simple in my approach.

 

[Turtle]

For example, they were pounding the Benghazi mess for several weeks prior to the networks picking it up. Just an example, but the networks did pick up on it eventually.

That's simply not true. I know it's the belief of the faithful right, but it's simply not true. The MSM reported the Benghazi mess from the beginning, it's just that they didn't obsess (pound) on it with a feeding frenzy. For the MSM, the facts dictated the coverage. For Fox News, the facts mostly got in the way, and the facts that didn't fit with the agenda were discarded in favor of invented facts that did.

Remember how Fox News pounded for weeks about how Obama and everyone at the White House watched the Benghazi attacks on real time video? Yeah, it's true the MSM never picked that up (because it wasn't true).

Remember how Fox News reported for weeks that the Marines in Benghazi were not allowed to be armed? Yeah, it's true the MSM never picked that up (because it wasn't true, mainly because there were no Marines in Benghazi).

Remember the Fox News EXCLUSIVE which reported that the CIA “chain of command” had “told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help" besieged and beleaguered Americans. The MSM didn't pick up on that, either. The Cracker Jack Fox News journalists pounded it right away though, long and hard, for weeks, because that's something too juicy for a Fox News-type journalist to bother to confirm before putting on the air. The MSM journalists tried to confirm it and couldn't. Turns out, Fox News should have gotten confirmation. Funny thing is, though, even after it was conformed to be false, Fox News kept right on reporting it as if it was true, and to this day there are conservatives who believe it like gospel.

Like I said, the MSM, while liberal, at least strives for objective reporting, whereas the conservative media makes no effort whatsoever at objectivity.

Here is Fox News' attempt at objectivity. Please note the specific liberal media news outlets they single out in their scathing report on the liberal bias and how the MSM ignored the story until the story could no longer be ignored.

Incidentally, they call out these particular media outlets because, as I stated before, the one thing conservatives do best is hypocrisy, and it's the one thing they just cannot stand to be called on and made fun of.

 

[davekc]

They definitely had a lot of things slanted or were down right inaccurate. Can't argue that.

 

[aristotle]

Fox News has a right-leaning bias. Why would anyone think differently? I appreciate that Fox News gives the conservative point of view a fair hearing. There are no news organizations free of bias. That conservatives have one outlet which doesn't demean them seems appropriate. Does Fox News get the story wrong sometimes? Sure, but no more or less than other news channels. Imagine a news media where ALL the reports came from a left-of-center ideology. That's the world we lived in prior to FOX.

 

[muttly]

Fox News has a right-leaning bias. Why would anyone think differently? I appreciate that Fox News gives the conservative point of view a fair hearing. There are no news organizations free of bias. That conservatives have one outlet which doesn't demean them seems appropriate. Does Fox News get the story wrong sometimes? Sure, but no more or less than other news channels. Imagine a news media where ALL the reports came from a left-of-center ideology. That's the world we lived in prior to FOX.

Right, no one is saying that news outlets including Fox get it wrong sometimes. What some are saying is Fox News gets it wrong every time. That would be wrong for 18 years, 365 days a year wrong every time. So wrong for all those consecutive days and years that they couldn't even compile an investigative report or news story worthy of a journalistic award. At the same time some believe that the left leaning networks and publication have more integrity in fairly presenting the news. Is this true or do they have proof? No.but they continually tell themselves this,so its got to be true. It's just got to be.